Dhoni v Rahim - who has been better wk-batsman in tests?

[Trichromatic]

Leaving out captaincy, just as wk-bat in TESTS only

 

Dhoni

90 matches

4875 runs

38.1 avg

224 HS

6 100s

 

Rahim

Matches 65

Runs 3962

Avg 35.62

HS 219

100s 6

 

How are their keeping skills in longer format?

 

Rahim plays weak oppositions more, but then he didn't have cushion of strong batting either.

[Nikola]

Rahim's stats vs Top team is in the 20s and Dhoni is around 37. Rahim hasn't played a lot of overseas cricket. I guess he never played in Australia? and in SA/Eng/NZ around 3-4 matches on avg there so all other have been in easy conditions. In their peak, Dhoni was ahead but right now no doubt Rahim is any time ahead of Dhoni. And Rahim's last few years stats in all formats have been great. His attitude is poor but he always came close to win against us.

Edited November 13, 2018 by Nikola

[ShoonyaSifar]

Absurd comparison. Dhoni is an ATG keeper-batsman, Rahim is a weak attack bully

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Absurd comparison. Dhoni is an ATG keeper-batsman, Rahim is a weak attack bully

 

 

Dhoni was ATG in Odi 

In test , a force in India

Overseas above avg ill say at best 

[raki05]

4 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Absurd comparison. Dhoni is an ATG keeper-batsman, Rahim is a weak attack bully

 

 

No batsmen with mediocre stats in test are  considered ATG. That is the reason Gilly is one and only ATG keeper. As he avg around 47 in test. Dhoni doesn't have a single century overseas across format, pony ATG.

[rkt.india]

15 minutes ago, raki05 said:

No batsmen with mediocre stats in test are  considered ATG. That is the reason Gilly is one and only ATG keeper. As he avg around 47 in test. Dhoni doesn't have a single century overseas across format, pony ATG.

Dhoni is a wk/bat, not just batsman.  So for sure as a WK/bat, he is an ATG.  According to your logic, there are no ATG WK/bat because none other than averaged 40 plus as a keeper.

[ShoonyaSifar]

26 minutes ago, raki05 said:

No batsmen with mediocre stats in test are  considered ATG. That is the reason Gilly is one and only ATG keeper. As he avg around 47 in test. Dhoni doesn't have a single century overseas across format, pony ATG.

Gilly is like the Don Bradman among keeper-batsman, no one will ever get close to what he did in Tests. Doesn't mean no one else will be a ATG among the keepers. 

 

But add the captaincy filter and suddenly no one will look getting close to Dhoni.

 

 

[Nikola]

Gilly, Alec Stewart & Andy Flowers only ATG keeper batsman for me.

[velu]

OP trying 

 

[raki05]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Dhoni is a wk/bat, not just batsman.  So for sure as a WK/bat, he is an ATG.  According to your logic, there are no ATG WK/bat because none other than averaged 40 plus as a keeper.

what kind of atg wc batsmen doesn't have single century outside asia.  Gilly/ Sanga are ATG. Just because of his odi exploit you want to call him atg go ahead call it but even there he doesn't have single hindered overseas in this time and era.

[raki05]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Gilly is like the Don Bradman among keeper-batsman, no one will ever get close to what he did in Tests. Doesn't mean no one else will be a ATG among the keepers. 

 

But add the captaincy filter and suddenly no one will look getting close to Dhoni.

 

 

Remember i am talking about test and in test he is one of the worst along with tendulkar.

[Lannister]

At Rahim's age, Dhongi was a crap as a Test batsman. He boosted his stats playing on absolute roads, bashing hapless spinners. Rahim is at his peak now and will overtake Dhoni interms of stats by the end of his career.  

[The Dark Horse]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

But add the captaincy filter and suddenly no one will look getting close to Dhoni.

Add the PR filler and suddenly he's god..

[ShoonyaSifar]

11 minutes ago, Lannister said:

At Rahim's age, Dhongi was a crap as a Test batsman. He boosted his stats playing on absolute roads, bashing hapless spinners. Rahim is at his peak now and will overtake Dhoni interms of stats by the end of his career.  

Are you sure? Dhoni was evraging 40 when he was the same age as Rahim. At his peak, Rahim is averaging 34 in tests, will most likely end at 31-32, almost same level as Saha or Mongia.

[gazza]

2 hours ago, Nikola said:

Rahim's stats vs Top team is in the 20s and Dhoni is around 37. Rahim hasn't played a lot of overseas cricket. I guess he never played in Australia? and in SA/Eng/NZ around 3-4 matches on avg there so all other have been in easy conditions. In their peak, Dhoni was ahead but right now no doubt Rahim is any time ahead of Dhoni. And Rahim's last few years stats in all formats have been great. His attitude is poor but he always came close to win against us.

Not true, might depend on what opposition you consider but against Australia, England, India and south Africa rahim averages 31.44, dhoni against the same opposition minus india averages 34.07, so both of their averages drop.

 

Its a difficult comparison though because dhoni has played much more against those opposition but 39 innings rahim has 2 tons and 5 half tons, dhoni in 90 innings has 2 tons and 19 half tons. 

[Lannister]

28 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Are you sure? Dhoni was evraging 40 when he was the same age as Rahim. At his peak, Rahim is averaging 34 in tests, will most likely end at 31-32, almost same level as Saha or Mongia.

How many Test centuries Dhoni has after the age 30-31? Dhoni has been crap for second half of his career. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

2 minutes ago, Lannister said:

How many Test centuries Dhoni has after the age 30-31? Dhoni has been crap for second half of his career. 

He had 4 100s and 20 50s by the age of 31. Rahim has 5 100s and 19 50s.

 

If Dhoni was crap based on those stats, what does it make Rahim with a much worse batting average?

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

what kind of atg wc batsmen doesn't have single century outside asia.  Gilly/ Sanga are ATG. Just because of his odi exploit you want to call him atg go ahead call it but even there he doesn't have single hindered overseas in this time and era.

Sanga played as a specialist batsman most of his career.  100 alone isnt a criteria for ATG for a WK.  Ajay Ratra has an overseas 100, he must be an ATG then?

Edited November 13, 2018 by rkt.india

[SK_IH]

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

No batsmen with mediocre stats in test are  considered ATG. That is the reason Gilly is one and only ATG keeper. As he avg around 47 in test. Dhoni doesn't have a single century overseas across format, pony ATG.

just off topic ( though i have stated before as well), on the highlighted ,  this is not due to inability but just a quirky fact 

[Lannister]

18 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

He had 4 100s and 20 50s by the age of 31. Rahim has 5 100s and 19 50s.

 

If Dhoni was crap based on those stats, what does it make Rahim with a much worse batting average?

Rahim is still their best batsman, maintaining healthy average across all 3 formats. Dhoni is not even in the same league. Stop overrating.