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KARACHI: Pakistan’s economic meltdown has eroded between 30 and 40 percent jobs from the country’s labor market, pushing more people below the poverty line, as the country takes tough measures to implement conditions attached to an International Monetary Fund (IMF) bailout package, traders and economists said.
Pakistan’s ruling Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) came into power on the back of promises to provide 10 million jobs last year, but is struggling to retain even existing jobs as the country’s economic growth plummeted from 5.8 percent to 3.3 percent in the last fiscal year, and is predicted to slow down further to 2.4 percent in the current fiscal year, FY20.

 

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27 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1557676/pakistan

 

Its the west's fault.  "They" are allowing the loot of poor countries.  9/11 and the west are to be blamed for Islamophobia.  Extremism in Islamic countries is not their fault.  Whine, whine, some more whine.  Hitler!  RSS!  Racist!!  We will fight till the end. 

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Its the west's fault.  "They" are allowing the loot of poor countries.  9/11 and the west are to be blamed for Islamophobia.  Extremism in Islamic countries is not their fault.  Whine, whine, some more whine.  Hitler!  RSS!  Racist!!  We will fight till the end. 

this same speech can be given by Hafiz Saeed or Masood Azhar in their madrassas lol

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12 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

this same speech can be given by Hafiz Saeed or Masood Azhar in their madrassas lol

I honestly don't understand Pakistani strategy.  Is this their plan?  Throw feces and insults like angry monkeys in the UNGA?  Do they really think the world is going to throw away their personal analysis, understanding and perception of India, and replace it by taking this crazy rambling rant at face value?  

 

What happens next from here?  What's the plan really?

 

Or is this all just a topi drama to make the greenbro awaam feel like their boy kuptaan Immy ne kuch to kiya?  So that the mafia regime that rules over them isn't pressured into actually doing something concrete against India?  

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26 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I honestly don't understand Pakistani strategy.  Is this their plan?  Throw feces and insults like angry monkeys in the UNGA?  Do they really think the world is going to throw away their personal analysis, understanding and perception of India, and replace it by taking this crazy rambling rant at face value?  

 

What happens next from here?  What's the plan really?

 

Or is this all just a topi drama to make the greenbro awaam feel like their boy kuptaan Immy ne kuch to kiya?  So that the mafia regime that rules over them isn't pressured into actually doing something concrete against India?  

 

is he the first head of state to be booed in the UN? :hysterical:

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4 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

Same as 1971......... 

Its mission accomplished really.  After Aug 5th, pakmil mafia regime had a lot of pressure to "do something".  They cannot maintain their mafia rule if they are seen as weak and unable to respond against India.  Pakistanis are emotional fools - By flinging insults on public forums at India, like this speech at the UN - the greenbro  awaam will get the feel-good factor - waah, our dear leader gave such a great speech blah blah.  

 

PakMil mafia simply has to do what it takes to maintain their control on the greenbros.  Else how will they continue ripping them off?

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Not just greenbros actually...orange, blue, white, red bros etc too.

 

Honestly brother, from an objective perspective it was a pretty poor performance.  Now I understand, that to you it may have come across as a passionate advocacy of the Pakistani and even resonated with you emotionally.  I get that.  But to evaluate a speech like this, in a public forum, you have to consider what the goals and objectives were.  Was it to make Pakistanis feel good?  Or was it to try and make the case to a non-Pakistani audience, of leaders and general public alike?  Judging it from the latter perspective, it fell terribly short, and was a bad example of how to make your case to an 'outside' audience.  Even putting aside all the 'India' stuff - his so-called 4th point,  since you may feel that I am "biased" on the subject.  70% of his speech was about Corruption & Capital flight, Islamophobia, and a replay of the Pakistani narrative of 1980s jihad and subsequent turnaround. 

 

Imran actually had a quality point to make on the 1st front, and did OK.  But on the other 2 points, he actually made a very poor argument.   It may sound music to your ears, because you already buy that narrative.  But the rest of the world doesn't already think that way.  And Imran's speech, was meant to address that situation.  And sorry, but finger-pointing at "the west", blaming them for "Islamophobia" due to 9/11, is not going to convince most people.  Because terrorism and crimes perpetrated by crazies claiming to do it in the name of Islam are a global menace.  And you can't lecture people about Islamophobia without acknowledging that there is a real and unresolved problem.  Similarly, Pakistanis may want to believe that the extremism and infestation of "non state actors" in their country is due to the "Afghan Jihad" in the 1980s, but the rest of the world simply does not buy that argument.  And for good reason.  National leadership at the UN level are going to be well informed on how and why the ISI created the lashkars and jaishes, in the 1990s, well after the US rolled up its support for the anti-Soviet jihad.  And people are well aware of the likes of Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar etc, and what their current status in Pakistan is. 

 

And on the India front -  let's just accept that we are going to have opposing perspectives on Kashmir.  But claiming that the Indian government is "racist", its policy in J&K are motivated because Kashmiris are muslim, is simply not believeable.  The world is well aware that there are more than 150 million muslims in India.  And that muslims are represented in all aspects of Indian society and govt at a variety of levels.  Its a tough sell to make, and you need a lot more than throwing around "RSS", hitler etc to change people's minds on this.

 

So in a nutshell, to Pakistanis, Imran's emotional filmi dialogue filled rant may have sounded amazing - and its clear that across the political spectrum, almost all Pakistanis were "blown away" by it - but you'd be hard pressed to find non-Pakistanis, especially non-muslims, to be much impressed by it.   Honestly speaking, I have a soft corner for Imran, because for all his crazy rhetoric, I do believe that he has good intentions at heart, in spite of him being ignorant, powerless and misguided.  I actually think the speech he gave when he first became Prime Minister was quite good.  But this particular speech?  Pretty poor.  Overall, the speech had the flavor and tenor of a sincere guy, but one lacking intellectual heft, whining and complaining about muslims being "misunderstood" - a desi unkil who corners you in a party and goes on and on, and on - thinking that he's educating you on something, when in fact he's not even on solid ground on the issues he's talking about to begin with.   Ultimately, you have to communicate to people in their lexicon - when speaking to global leadership, sincerity is good, but you have to make your point in language and phrases that are accepted by the folks you are trying to reach.   Imran did none of that, he talked down to people, lectured and hectored them, and when that happens, your audience shuts down and tunes you out, ceasing to find you credible.  

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