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Pakistan produces far more and better quality fast bowlers than India says Imran Khan

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Well there is no doubt that was true . But as usual him and is ilk living in a time warp. This is 2017 and our pace attack is better then theirs and more strength in depth 

 

must hurt them but that's a fact now . 

 

Can an understand how devestated they are over this . It's like pak suddenly having much better batsman then us . But thankfully that is not the case and won't be the case in next 40 years min I reckon 

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Imran Khan lives in the past. For a bigg

time political leader now and a pretty established political leader, I think he should give up talking about cricket. He has great knowledge of Test Cricket and actual cricket but the game has changed and the cricket world has moved on.

 

He is so occupied in Pakistan's political arena that he doesn't really know what he is talking about at most times. He was captian of his country who lead them to a world cup victory so I l know it hurts him to see how Pakistani bowlers have gone down hill from his era but he always needs to flow with change. Time has changed and it is fair to say, some Bangladeshi bowlers are actually better than Pakistani bowlers. India, even though not the greatest, but still the best bowling unit from subcontinent at this time.

 

 

 

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Arrey bhai, Imran is a politician and running for the office. After another 3-0 whitewash these kind of statements are expected from politicians, PCB officials and ex-cricketers. Aakhir awaam ko bhi to khush karna hai... they can't do so on cricket field so have to manufacture such statements :giggle:

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I don't think he is too far away form the truth. IMO, Pakistan has provided more 'just effective enough in tests' type of pacers more than us in the last 15 years, in fits and spurts, with providing two amazing superstar material pacers who were tainted by corruption. We haven't really set the scene on fire either. Shami is looking good, but let him last another 4-5 years at this level or better before we start thinking of him as a very good bowler, eh ?

 

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The main thing is....our pace attack is on the up and Pakistan's pace attack is going down.

 

As of today, both are of similar quality but , if this trend continues, we will have better pacers than them in a couple of years.

 

This trend is very important. 

 

All the decent Pakistani pacers now were developed in the last decade....I don't see a single young pacer from Pakistan, a product of the '10s decade, doing well.

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Imran Khan divorced cricket right after 1992 World Cup, he focused fully on politics. So any comment he makes on cricket after 1992 World Cup has some diplomatic undertone like "Sachin is not a match winner", this was said just before India toured Pakistan in 2004 for test series. This recent comment is also an indirect way of motivating Pak bowlers.

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On 1/10/2017 at 10:27 AM, express bowling said:

The main thing is....our pace attack is on the up and Pakistan's pace attack is going down.

 

As of today, both are of similar quality but , if this trend continues, we will have better pacers than them in a couple of years.

 

This trend is very important. 

 

All the decent Pakistani pacers now were developed in the last decade....I don't see a single young pacer from Pakistan, a product of the '10s decade, doing well.

 

And this has proved to be so right, especially in test matches.

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Actually Pakistan bowlers had develop a secret trick called 'reverse swing' which has giving them wickets. Since they were getting wicket with it there was lot of incentive to bowl fast. They are always looking to manipulate the ball throughout there history of playing cricket eg Afridi biting the ball, Imran talking about bottle caps to pick seam, Waquar Younis fined 50% of match fee for ball tampering, Shoaib Aktar banned for 2 ODI's against New Zealand, the entire Pakistan Team penalized a full test match for ball tampering by Darell Hair etc.

 

I am not saying other bowlers dont cheat but its on individual basis, but for Pakistan the entire team is actively involved in it. However, now the cameras have become strong and they can no longer get away with without getting noticed. Hence there poor test match ranking of 6. Its the greatest myth that they had exceptional fast bowlers except for Wasim Akram who was genuine quality. All there other bowlers were just cheating on relying on reverse swing when the world was not aware of it. Guys like Aaqib Javed and even Imran Khan were just regular bowlers.

If pace was the only criteria for quality bowlers then Brett Lee and Shaun Tait would be the best as they bowled sustained pace. Pace bowlers are decimated by quality batsmen. Its the pace with swing which makes a bowler deadly. 

 

So the conclusion is that Pakistani bowlers got exception swing by cheating or using reverse swing and this made them put more effort in their bowling resulting in more pace. Had it been not for cheating or reverse swing they would just be regular bowlers.

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2 hours ago, bendit100 said:

Actually Pakistan bowlers had develop a secret trick called 'reverse swing' which has giving them wickets. Since they were getting wicket with it there was lot of incentive to bowl fast. They are always looking to manipulate the ball throughout there history of playing cricket eg Afridi biting the ball, Imran talking about bottle caps to pick seam, Waquar Younis fined 50% of match fee for ball tampering, Shoaib Aktar banned for 2 ODI's against New Zealand, the entire Pakistan Team penalized a full test match for ball tampering by Darell Hair etc.

  

I am not saying other bowlers dont cheat but its on individual basis, but for Pakistan the entire team is actively involved in it. However, now the cameras have become strong and they can no longer get away with without getting noticed. Hence there poor test match ranking of 6. Its the greatest myth that they had exceptional fast bowlers except for Wasim Akram who was genuine quality. All there other bowlers were just cheating on relying on reverse swing when the world was not aware of it. Guys like Aaqib Javed and even Imran Khan were just regular bowlers.

 If pace was the only criteria for quality bowlers then Brett Lee and Shaun Tait would be the best as they bowled sustained pace. Pace bowlers are decimated by quality batsmen. Its the pace with swing which makes a bowler deadly. 

  

 So the conclusion is that Pakistani bowlers got exception swing by cheating or using reverse swing and this made them put more effort in their bowling resulting in more pace. Had it been not for cheating or reverse swing they would just be regular bowlers.

Is that why Wasim has highest % of lower order wickets in history of cricket? 40%? And his wickets per inning was also not very higher like Imran or Waqar. So basically he picked less wickets with new ball and was biggest beneficiary of reverse swing.

 

Waqar and Imran both were better bowlers (or at least more effective) than Wasim without reverse swing.

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1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Is that why Wasim has highest % of lower order wickets in history of cricket? 40%? And his wickets per inning was also not very higher like Imran or Waqar. So basically he picked less wickets with new ball and was biggest beneficiary of reverse swing.

 

Waqar and Imran both were better bowlers (or at least more effective) than Wasim without reverse swing.

Imran was a trundler. Wasim was a thinking bowler and Waqar was decent. These cameras and extra scrutiny has really messed them up. India never lost its batting culture and keeps on producing batsman. How did Pakistan lose its bowling culture overnight? They did not, only problem is they cannot cheat. last decade or so their wins were once again result of cheating but that was their bent elbow off spinner.

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1 hour ago, velu said:

padosis produced better bowlers ..

we produced better batsmen ..

padosi fielding -  :lol: 

 

currently we have better bowlers than them but it doesn't change the fact that padosis produced better bowlers ( with or without ball tampering ) 

No they do not. Look at last 10 years and take that 30 degree off spinner out and they are a mess.

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10 minutes ago, Khota said:

No they do not. Look at last 10 years and take that 30 degree off spinner out and they are a mess.

before that ?

 

wasim

waqar

akhtar

sqalain 

azhar / razzaq 

 

probably the all time atg attack which will be difficult to match 

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12 hours ago, velu said:

before that ?

 

wasim

waqar

akhtar

sqalain 

azhar / razzaq 

 

probably the all time atg attack which will be difficult to match 

Wasim yes

waqar  yes

 

Akhtar Yes

saqlain  Yes

 

Azhar/razaq  - mediocre.

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Though Wasim/Waqar were great bowlers no doubt....I would love to know how they would hv fared in modern day with so many cameras. The reverse swing this duo used to generate was impossible without ball tampering. Looking at the condition of Starc after Sandpaper gate as how ineffective his bowling has been, one wonders if Waqar/Wasim faced the same fate in modern era.

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2 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Though Wasim/Waqar were great bowlers no doubt....I would love to know how they would hv fared in modern day with so many cameras. The reverse swing this duo used to generate was impossible without ball tampering. Looking at the condition of Starc after Sandpaper gate as how ineffective his bowling has been, one wonders if Waqar/Wasim faced the same fate in modern era.

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Imran Khan was the greatest beneficiary of ball tampering. Tell that to Pak!s and they will declare a fatwa on you. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Imran Khan was the greatest beneficiary of ball tampering. Tell that to Pak!s and they will declare a fatwa on you. 

 

 

Imran accepted tampering ball openly in an interview with Mike Artherton for Sky sports. According to him, ball tampering was not a crime and teams should not be penalized.

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3 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Though Wasim/Waqar were great bowlers no doubt....I would love to know how they would hv fared in modern day with so many cameras. The reverse swing this duo used to generate was impossible without ball tampering. Looking at the condition of Starc after Sandpaper gate as how ineffective his bowling has been, one wonders if Waqar/Wasim faced the same fate in modern era.

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Wasim was great enough to survive scrutiny anytime. Waqar was real good too. I personally don't think Imran was of their calibre. We cannot take anything away from Wasim and have to show nothing but respect for him as a bowler.

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2 hours ago, Khota said:

Wasim was great enough to survive scrutiny anytime. Waqar was real good too. I personally don't think Imran was of their calibre. We cannot take anything away from Wasim and have to show nothing but respect for him as a bowler.

Why? What is so holy about Wasim? Its a well known fact that he fixed many matches (as per Qayyum report) and deliberately sat out on the 96 WC quarter finals faking injury. So he was a proven sell out.

 

He was a good bowler no doubt but his highest percentage wickets were of tail-enders, unlike McGrath who troubled most contemporary top order batsman. Wasim used to mostly rely on reverse swing with old ball in his 2nd or last spell and took loads of tail ender wickets. Now how he and Waqar used to get so much reverse is any bodies guess. But after this sandpaper saga, we should have a clue.

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5 hours ago, Khota said:

Wasim was great enough to survive scrutiny anytime. Waqar was real good too. I personally don't think Imran was of their calibre. We cannot take anything away from Wasim and have to show nothing but respect for him as a bowler.

I rate waqar more highly, followed by imran and then wasim. this is because wasim has a very high proportion of lower-order wkts. in terms of talent, he had a huge amount of it, but was something of an underachiever (despite his great record). Imran at his peak was a mesmerising bowler - beautiful late swing - although with all these bowlers, we don't know how much of it came from "unnatural" causes.

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