velu Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 darty keep whining Rasgulla, sscomp32 and Ankit_sharma03 3 Link to comment
bowl_out Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 42 minutes ago, Khota said: Harbhajan was performing. Dhoni was not. Yuvraj was not. Ashwin is not better than Harbhajan in this format. Harbhajan is right. He deserved to go. Agree with the last line.. He deserved to go, but he still wants to stick on sscomp32 and Ankit_sharma03 2 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Well if nehra still gets in Indian teams don't see why bhaji can't lol Link to comment
maniac Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Well not the first time Bhajji has whined in recent times but for a change ,first time I agree a 100% with him. if past reputation is the benchmark then why not our 3rd highest wicket taker of all time? and if IPL is the benchmark then why not Bhajji? Why should Dhoni get the free ride? He is a 100% correct about hypocrisy but I would have respected him a lot more had he said why not young blood instead of has beens instead of making it about himself . Lannister and sscomp32 1 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Ashwin and jadeja in ODIs are so over rated. This team really needs some change. Its fine if we start losing a few but try kuldeep, chahal, krunal etc after CT at least. If we win CT forget about much changes but we might get to see Ashish Nehra in future donning ODI jersey. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Khota said: Harbhajan was performing. Ok 1st Lets come to bhajji vs ashwin Odi Overall Bhajji avgs 33.35, eco of 4.31, s/r 46.3 Ashwin avgs 32.37, eco 4.91, s/r 39.5 Clearly ashwin has better stats Now ashwin has played 105 games, so ill compare were they stood at that point Ashwin has 145 wkts Bhajji had 131 wkts in 105 games 2 hours ago, Khota said: Ashwin is not better than Harbhajan in this format. Harbhajan is right. He deserved to go. So how on earth is bhajji better ...... Now ill tell u major diff that these stats dnt show 1. ashwin played mostly after 2011 where 4 fielder outside circle rule came in that made spinners life hell. Bhajji didnt had that issue 2. There are 2 new balls to, bhajji got old ball most part of career which is good for spinner. He still doesnt dare much in IPL to hold new ball....imagine how bad his stats wud have been 3. Boundaries sizes, pitches, bats , innovation all made spinners life difficult post 2011, and still ashwin stats are better Yet ashwin also have been dropped from Odi time n again 2 hours ago, Khota said: Dhoni was not. Now bhajji vs dhoni Ur talking about 2 of the biggest match winner in LOI history in indian cricket Bhajji lost his place post 2011 due to bad form, yuvi got cancer Dhoni well look at his stats u might just find one bad yr.....just one bad yr. Even kohli would have that Dhoni odi stats Year Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS Runs Avg S/R Ca St 2004 3 3 1 0 0 1 12 19 9.50 135.71 4 2 2005 27 24 6 2 3 1 183* 895 49.72 103.11 19 6 2006 29 26 6 0 7 0 96 821 41.05 92.98 33 3 2007 37 33 8 1 7 3 139* 1103 44.12 89.60 31 18 2008 29 26 7 1 8 0 109* 1097 57.74 82.30 38 11 2009 29 24 7 2 9 0 124 1198 70.47 85.57 26 11 2010 18 17 4 1 3 1 101* 600 46.15 78.95 19 4 2011 24 22 9 0 6 0 91* 764 58.77 89.88 17 6 2012 16 14 6 1 3 0 113* 524 65.50 87.63 12 5 2013 26 20 8 1 5 1 139* 753 62.75 96.05 21 13 2014 12 10 2 0 5 0 79* 418 52.25 92.07 7 6 2015 20 17 3 0 4 0 92* 640 45.71 86.84 27 3 2016 13 10 0 0 1 1 80 278 27.80 80.12 13 4 2017 3 3 0 1 0 0 134 165 55.00 100.61 2 2 Overall (14) 286 249 67 10 61 8 183* 9275 50.96 88.99 269 94 U dnt drop a player with such consistency that easily........add the burden dhoni had for captaincy n WK. Look at dhoni number in 2011,12, 13.....bhajji was dropped in 2011. Didnt do much in 2015 series against Sa..... 2 hours ago, Khota said: Yuvraj was not. Now bhajji vs yuvi YUvi might not be even shadow of his past but atleast that guy went to domestic n made runs n earned his place. Bhajji went to roadies n in previous yrs what has he done to earn a place back. When he even got his place back on rank turners what did he do Most of all he has a poor attitude A player with poor attitude will always cry why other got a lil extra chance, the ques is what did u do when u got chances. Yuvi was a gr8 fielder, match winner with bat and more then decent part timer .......thats how uch valuable was yuvi Dhoni - best finisher, agggresor, captain, keeper Bhajji - only a bowler who at times played cameos with bat That is the reason those 2 get extra chances.......bhajji was always going to be easily replaceable. He was no murali or warne He shud be great ful that he played despite chucking for yrs and still played after slapping his team mate. Now the biggest diff Yuvi 26 MOM dhoni 20 MOM Bhajji 4 MOM So u shudnt even put all 3 in same bracket Bhajji was only faking injuries in last few yrs then performing......ashwin was clearly a better option then him. Bleed-Blue, Rasgulla, Shunya and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 10 hours ago, Khota said: He raises a very fair question. If Dhoni can be selected then one should use the same matrix and select Harbhajan also. Harbhajan is one of the best spinner for limited format. He deserved it over Rohit, Dhoni and Yuvraj. Very fair issue. He is the best. Why is Ashwin in? How does a bowler 'deserve it over' a batsman, a wicket-keeper batsman and a batting allrounder ?!? That doesn't make any sense at all. sscomp32 and Ankit_sharma03 2 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Bhajji is a good bowler, well short of being a 'great' in ANY format. Dhoni is an above-average wicket-keeping batsman in tests, an ATG in ODIs and very, very good/excellent in T20s. Case dismissed, comparing Bhajji to Dhoni is like comparing a Camero to a Porsche. Ankit_sharma03, Shunya, StriKe and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 4 hours ago, King Tendulkar said: Well if nehra still gets in Indian teams don't see why bhaji can't lol Nehra got in t20 squad on basis of ipl and we needed a senior seamer as bhuvi was out of form n shami wasnt good in t20. There was no other option. We had a good t20 season last yr and nehra did help youngsters like pandya n bumrah Nehra got selected for t20 on basis of ipl which is a t20 format. Bhajji is asking to be considered for odi selection on t20 perfomances. Thats foolishness and indian team has a better option in ashwin n if not him there is kuldeep n mishra. Nehra road was clear he didnt have much competition sscomp32 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 ^ According to some news report Ashish Nehraji was considered for Champions trophy but his injury during IPL sealed his non inclusion. sscomp32 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Harbhajan economy rate in IPL was better than any bowler going. He deserved it. Dhoni was the worst batsman among wkt keepers. Ashwin has yet to prove match fitness. Yes in my opinion IPL is a better metrics than others. King Tendulkar, New guy, rageaddict and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment
Khota Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Bhajji is a good bowler, well short of being a 'great' in ANY format. Dhoni is an above-average wicket-keeping batsman in tests, an ATG in ODIs and very, very good/excellent in T20s. Case dismissed, comparing Bhajji to Dhoni is like comparing a Camero to a Porsche. I will take Camaro over a Porsche any time if you take cost effectiveness into account. Dhoni is bad. Very bad. He will cause India to exit from CT. Shunya, King Tendulkar, Ankit_sharma03 and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Multis from Kaurava brigade sscomp32 1 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 32 minutes ago, Khota said: I will take Camaro over a Porsche any time if you take cost effectiveness into account. Dhoni is bad. Very bad. He will cause India to exit from CT. This isn't bang-for-your-buck 'semi-professional team trying to make it stick in a league of big boys', its all about performance. So there is no place for nothing but the highest-end, top 11 XI. As far as ODIs go, Dhoni is an ATG. I'd take him over Gilchrist in the all-time team for eg. Dhoni very rarely drops catches in ODIs, is brilliant with his re-directs on to the stump and a very, very tidy keeper, keeping the extras to a minimum. For ODI standards, he is A+ keeper. For his batting, true, he has slipped a bit, but so far this year, he is batting at 50+ average and 100+ strike rate. Granted, it is a small sample of just 3 matches and he had a rough year last year. But except for last year, he's never averaged below 40 in all but his first season. So we can take last year as an 'aberration'. There is simply no questioning Dhoni's spot on the side- not without a prolonged slump. I will note that for ATGs, year-long or couple-of-year-long slump in form is painful, but they get that leeway. The likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Sehwag, Kallis, etc. are given that long a rope- because they deserve it for hitting a rough patch. Dhoni is the same level in ODIs. So a one-off year, i can live with. harbhajan on the other hand, is just decent. True, Ashwin (Harbhajan's real competitor) isn't exactly great shakes in the ODI format, but he is still better value than Bhajji. There simply is no comparison between Bhajji's value to the team (an adequate bowler and an average fielder) than that to Dhoni. Rasgulla, King Tendulkar, sscomp32 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: This isn't bang-for-your-buck 'semi-professional team trying to make it stick in a league of big boys', its all about performance. So there is no place for nothing but the highest-end, top 11 XI. As far as ODIs go, Dhoni is an ATG. I'd take him over Gilchrist in the all-time team for eg. Dhoni very rarely drops catches in ODIs, is brilliant with his re-directs on to the stump and a very, very tidy keeper, keeping the extras to a minimum. For ODI standards, he is A+ keeper. For his batting, true, he has slipped a bit, but so far this year, he is batting at 50+ average and 100+ strike rate. Granted, it is a small sample of just 3 matches and he had a rough year last year. But except for last year, he's never averaged below 40 in all but his first season. So we can take last year as an 'aberration'. There is simply no questioning Dhoni's spot on the side- not without a prolonged slump. I will note that for ATGs, year-long or couple-of-year-long slump in form is painful, but they get that leeway. The likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Sehwag, Kallis, etc. are given that long a rope- because they deserve it for hitting a rough patch. Dhoni is the same level in ODIs. So a one-off year, i can live with. harbhajan on the other hand, is just decent. True, Ashwin (Harbhajan's real competitor) isn't exactly great shakes in the ODI format, but he is still better value than Bhajji. There simply is no comparison between Bhajji's value to the team (an adequate bowler and an average fielder) than that to Dhoni. Dhoni under current form is not even the top three wicketkeepers. His decision making is the worst I have seen in long time. He cannot score, he cannot think I have no clue what he is doing in the team. Rasgulla, Shunya, sscomp32 and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment
Khota Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Like I mentioned before the ttrio of Yuvraj, Rohit and Dhoni will cause heartache. cricbuz, New guy, sscomp32 and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, Khota said: Dhoni under current form is not even the top three wicketkeepers. His decision making is the worst I have seen in long time. He cannot score, he cannot think I have no clue what he is doing in the team. mishra, sscomp32 and Vilander 3 Link to comment
Khota Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Which part of cannot score is not clear to yu: Three wkt keepers scored more than him in IPL. sscomp32, rageaddict, Rasgulla and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
tweaker Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 This Prasad selection committee has given hope to all down & out players by selecting them instead of youngsters. If this players want to enjoy their game, they should enjoy in Ranji not in international cricket. Here we are talking about youngsters not getting opportunities, but we may get to see all this tried tested & failed again & again players getting selected for the WC. We may have a vintage team of Dhoni, Yuvraj, Raina, Harbhajan, Mishra, Nehra, Gambhir, Uthappa in the future beetle 1 Link to comment
sscomp32 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) Edited May 26, 2017 by sscomp32 Link to comment
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