Changes in the team in match against SA

[Lord]

16 hours ago, sscomp32 said:

Drop Jadhav play ashwin 

Drop #UdtaUmesh Play #SwingingShami :)

 

50/50 drop Yuvi play DK 

 

Sorry @Lord but fielders like him cant stay.  

I would agree if you didnt choose Ash and Shami

 

Big match,lets go for DK over Yuvi

 

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

I would agree if you didnt choose Ash and Shami

 

Big match,lets go for DK over Yuvi

 

oh yeah because DK is a big match player  

[sscomp32]

I would agree if you didnt choose Ash and Shami

 

Big match,lets go for DK over Yuvi

 

 

Yeah but that's what it is. No other option available.

 

Anyways forgot that yuvi has the big match temperament and Dk is a mental Midget.

[sandeep]

8 hours ago, StriKe said:

DK is almost 1 dimensional player.

 

I would rather have Kedar who can adjust to bowlers and play all range of shots.

We can have DK substitute field for Jadhav - he does have the habit of taking spectacular catches against SA in crunch games.

[Soorma_Bhopali]

I think Ashwin in place of Jadeja and Shami in place of Kedar are the only changes we are gonna see

[zen]

My 11

 

Dhawan

Rohit

Kohli

Kartik / UV / Jadav / ....

Dhoni

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

[Pak_cric]

5 hours ago, zen said:

My 11

 

Dhawan

Rohit

Kohli

Kartik / UV / Jadav / ....

Dhoni

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

Yup, i would go for this team also...except I would keep umesh yadav in for shami.

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

Looks like ashwin will play

[Ultimate_Game]

My XI against SA...

 

Dhawan

Rohit

Kohli

Karthik

Dhoni

Jadhav

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

 

1. Karthik in place of Yuvraj. We will get better fielding at least. Yuvi has played his one knock and is unlikely to do much rest of the tourney. Plus he hardly does much these days unless he gets a reprieve which SA fielding is unlikely to offer.

 

2. Ashwin in place of Pandya. Pandya has to sit out unfortunately as his bowling is a huge liability and his batting is unlikely to make up for it.

 

3. Shami in place of Umesh. I'm sorry but Umesh is not made for shorter formats as he simply loses it when bowlers go after him.

[sandeep]

12 hours ago, zen said:

My 11

 

Dhawan

Rohit

Kohli

Kartik / UV / Jadav / ....

Dhoni

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

We've had this argument before about wanting to go in with more than 5 bowlers in an ODI being a bit redundant.  Its like bringing a Knife to a gunfight.  Besides, If you are going to go with 5 full bowlers, then Jadhav is a better bet as a batsman than Pandya.  

[CoverDrive]

Shastri says Ashwin in for Jadhav!!! 

And laxman fully supports him. Wait wasn't our batting lacking in fire power and Jadhav was the one who gave some momentum in the end

[sandeep]

1 minute ago, CoverDrive said:

Shastri says Ashwin in for Jadhav!!! 

And laxman fully supports him. Wait wasn't our batting lacking in fire power and Jadhav was the one who gave some momentum in the end

Oldies thinking and talking dinosaur cricket.   

[WeStMiDz]

23 hours ago, Soorma_Bhopali said:

I think Ashwin in place of Jadeja and Shami in place of Kedar are the only changes we are gonna see

Lol Jadeja won't be dropped. Nor should he be. 

[CoverDrive]

6 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Oldies thinking and talking dinosaur cricket.   

All very star power based. Will keep pumping and marketing the bigger names

[sandeep]

7 minutes ago, CoverDrive said:

All very star power based. Will keep pumping and marketing the bigger names

Very good point.  That's why Raina isn't in the squad.  

[NareshK]

13 hours ago, zen said:

My 11

 

Dhawan

Rohit

Kohli

Kartik / UV / Jadav / ....

Dhoni

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

This would mean a bigger tail and six bowlers are an overkill in ODI as you cant take 10 wickets on most of these surfaces anyhow. Even with 5 bowlers, Kedhar and Yuvi can chip in a few overs if situation called for it. So Kedhar should play.

 

I personally think Ashwin should come in for Pandya. Pandya is a great prospect but he is a work in progress and he is more likely to go for runs on a batting surface against SA or England. Ashwin is a decent batsman and can score some runs if situation called for it. He is also more likely to do well against them than a seamer.

 

Shami should come in for Umesh.

Edited June 10, 2017 by NareshK

[zen]

3 hours ago, sandeep said:

We've had this argument before about wanting to go in with more than 5 bowlers in an ODI being a bit redundant.  Its like bringing a Knife to a gunfight.  Besides, If you are going to go with 5 full bowlers, then Jadhav is a better bet as a batsman than Pandya.  

 

2 hours ago, NareshK said:

This would mean a bigger tail and six bowlers are an overkill in ODI as you cant take 10 wickets on most of these surfaces anyhow. Even with 5 bowlers, Kedhar and Yuvi can chip in a few overs if situation called for it. So Kedhar should play.

 

I personally think Ashwin should come in for Pandya. Pandya is a great prospect but he is a work in progress and he is more likely to go for runs on a batting surface against SA or England. Ashwin is a decent batsman and can score some runs if situation called for it. He is also more likely to do well against them than a seamer.

 

Shami should come in for Umesh.

 

Some good points but 11 should be picked based on the result it could achieve on the field

 

For Ind to do well, the top 3 would need to make runs. If Ind's top 3 click, the RR will likely to be around 6 to 6.5. If the top 3 fail, a relatively long batting line up consisting of inconsistent players such as Yuvi and Jadhav is a hit or miss

 

I rate Pandya as a better batsman than you probably do. The net impact of playing a proper batsman like Jadhav over Pandya is not much (except feeling good on paper). The likes of Yuvi and Jadhav occuping 2 slots in 11 is not a great situation to be in. 1 slot b/w them is acceptable  

 

Additionally, Pandya gives you a few overs, esp. with Shami coming back from injury is an imp factor, and his abilities as a fielder are much better than likes of Jadhav, the batsman who could be playing in his place. With Pandya at 6, and Jadeja and Ashwin at 7 and 8, Ind is well covered in batting relatively speaking

 

Moreover, with Ind likely to play solid cricket in batting, seeking to get in to a 200/250 for 3 kind of situation (based on scores and pitches we have seen so far), the no 6 slot need to be for players like Pandya who can change the game in 10-12 balls with their batting. With the batting apporoach Ind is likely to take, it needs as many good bowling and fielding options as it can field

 

On the other hand, if Ind was playing risky cricket and likely to get in to a 150/4 kind of situation too often, I would prefer a solid batsman like Karthik or Rahane, who can play a longer inning more consistently, as the additional batsman 

 

In short, Pandya is not droppable considering Ind's batting approach and the options it has. Moreover, to me, he provides that "x factor" to the team, likely to make an impact with batting, bowling and fielding, the parts adding up to provide more value relatively speaking 

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2017 by zen

[express bowling]

--  There is no easy way to play 2 specialist spinners in this team.  No matter how it is done, our team balance will be affected.

-- If only 2 specialist pacers are chosen, and there isn't sufficient help for spinners, it will affect us.

-- If Pandya is dropped...it will be a strange decision because our main problem was lack of acceleration in the last match and Pandya is one of the two  who can start hitting from ball one. The other one is Jadhav. 

-- Not taking advantage of Saffer's weakness against spin may be imprudent too.

 

So, there is no easy solution.

 

My feeling is that it might boil down to dropping the non-star Jadhav for Ashwin.

[Pollack]

How are all of you so sure about Ashwin? Ashwin is out of rhythm. One can see in his bowling. SA is weak against spin generally and so play an extra spinner is so simplistic and stupid thinking. Ashwin adds nothing to the team. Only Shami comes in for Yadav. If there is help for spinner, Yuvi,Kedar and Jadeja would be enough for South Africa. If no help three couldnt do jack and so wouldn't Ashwin.

[Soorma_Bhopali]

We should bring Umesh  preferably or Shami  against the  Bangal boys in Semis .Express Pace is their Achilles heels .Jadhav can make way as he has just been twiddling his thumbs on these perfect batting pitches.