Tibarn Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Kohli has played in 2 WCs and 2CTs. We reached the final in 3 of those 4. Kohli top scored for us in the CT 2013 Final, where he was the only player to cross 40. We won that match. He got out cheaply today vs Pak. This was bad. The only WC final he played in was vs SL in 2011 where he got out in a bizarre return catch to Dilshan, otherwise he was looking fluent batting with Gambo in the middle being on 35 when the cath was taken. Those are the only 3 real finals he's played in in 50 overs. If the data includes things like Tri-series, Asia Cup, etc then it hardly matters. In 20 overs he's only played 1 finals, vs SL in 2014 where he was 77*. Masquerade, NareshK, express bowling and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 20 minutes ago, Cricketics said: No one gves a damn. He is the best player in the world. Kohlitics Link to comment
Laaloo Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 He is not a choker. He is a very damn good batsman. sourab10forever and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Tibarn said: Kohli has played in 2 WCs and 2CTs. We reached the final in 3 of those 4. Kohli top scored for us in the CT 2013 Final, where he was the only player to cross 40. We won that match. He got out cheaply today vs Pak. This was bad. The only WC final he played in was vs SL in 2011 where he got out in a bizarre return catch to Dilshan, otherwise he was looking fluent batting with Gambo in the middle being on 35 when the cath was taken. Those are the only 3 real finals he's played in in 50 overs. If the data includes things like Tri-series, Asia Cup, etc then it hardly matters. In 20 overs he's only played 1 finals, vs SL in 2014 where he was 77*. See the tournament finals stats include stuff like the Windies Tri Series(Inda vs SL vs Windies) There's hardly anything to even care about in the stats, and most of those stats are vs Sri Lanka and before Kohli even became close to the player he is today. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 And our media compares this choker to Sachin. Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 The way he got out was amateurish,like a tailender.Didnt have a clue with that ball.Anderson made him his bunny with the same ball.Player of good balls..my ass. Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Kohli should have batted first. CT13 final - he performed. T20 2014 final he performed. T20 2016 semi-final he performed. But as wc 2015 semi-final and today showed, he chokes in a final run chase. Tendu_10 and WC2011INDIA 2 Link to comment
asterix Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 I was surprised that he went with Ashwin after electing to field. Captains do have two squad sheets in the pocket. If Shami was injured throughout, what there was no replacement for him? Why he was carried as a passenger throughout? bleaf27, velu and express bowling 3 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 kohli's captaincy was more ordinary than batting velu and bleaf27 2 Link to comment
bleaf27 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Dhoni as the folklore stated took a stand against Sehwag , Gnaguly et al. to bring a culture change and bring the new guys in. Kohli is friends with Yuvi , captain has a big say in team composition , Why did Kohli not take a stand against Yuvi ? CT is done , Yuvi's fielding and batting is exposed , Kohli does not have any confidence in bowling Yuvi - Can Kohli stand and keep his friendships aside and ask Yuvi to step aside ? He's the captain and it is quite well known that Yuvi wouldn't in the team if the captain didn't want him BeautifulGame and WC2011INDIA 2 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Trichromatic said: It's a big blot. It's one thing not to be successful, but right now is at the bottom when it comes to finals. 8 games only, for you finals must be important but for me semi finals, quarter finals or even games where series is on the line and we have to win prevent a game are equally important. Kohli's 30 odd in world cup finals was as good as sachin's 80 odd against pak in 2011 semis. Infact Sachin was dropped 4 times in that innings. Kohli's knocks against all in world t20 2014 and 2016 are also equally important where he was mvp and single handed took india to the finals and semis respectively. Also, Sachin has played plenty of games where you have filtered stats while Kohli just has 8 so we shouldn't even be comparing the two at this time. MCcricket, Tendu_10 and express bowling 3 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Praggy said: He is not a choker. He is a very damn good batsman. The stats filtering done is messed up. Comparing a legend who has played 40 important games in 400 game career to Kohli who hasn't reached half way stage and has already done a lot. Kohli scored 30 odd in wc finals while he single handedly took india to finals of 2014 t20 and also in 2016. Hobart knock was valuable as we were trying to qualify and he scored in the deciding game even though lanka won next game and forced final with Aus, nevertheless, Kohli turned up when it mattered in all these occasions. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Kohli has played many clutch inns in world t20s, played several clutch inns in champions trophy knock out matches excluding finals,played a clutch knock in 1 out of 2 champions trophy finals he played in & did reasonably well in his single world cup final .Means he is not bad at all. Infact really good. What all he needs is to play some big inns in world cups & triangular finals , i suppose. Tendu_10, express bowling and NareshK 3 Link to comment
Crookbond Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 6 hours ago, WC2011INDIA said: Said it before and said it again, he scores in meaningless bilaterals and group stages of icc tournaments. That's all. NEVER performs in a semi final/final while chasing. If we had batted first then top 3 would have scored for sure. Even Rohit and Shikar when chasing an important semi/final are useless. Kohli, I feel, will never win an ICC tournament of note as captain. He is either to aggressive or too defensive. A fool. Check his score in Champions Trophy 2013 final, WT20 2014 Final and Semi Finals, WT20 2016 Semi Finals Tendu_10, Masquerade and Adi_91 3 Link to comment
WC2011INDIA Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Crookbond said: Check his score in Champions Trophy 2013 final, WT20 2014 Final and Semi Finals, WT20 2016 Semi Finals Read carefully what I typed. We didn't CHASE in any one of those games. Batted first and he scored. CHASING in big tournaments has been problematic for him. Edited June 18, 2017 by WC2011INDIA ThePhenomenal1 1 Link to comment
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 6 hours ago, Praggy said: He is not a choker. He is a very damn good batsman. Even a damn good batsman can choke. Link to comment
Crookbond Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 10 hours ago, WC2011INDIA said: Read carefully what I typed. We didn't CHASE in any one of those games. Batted first and he scored. CHASING in big tournaments has been problematic for him. Read carefully what I typed again - WT20 Semi Finals 2014 South Africa , 2016 Australia (one of the best chases EVER). What are you on about? Link to comment
MCcricket Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Seriously some guys have personal are to grind against someone who doesn't even know they exist, Kohli is the best every ODi cricketer to have played for India n maybe the world, n many knowledgeable cricketers n ex cricketers like Richards, Warne, Akram ,Ganguly n contemporaries vouch for that. ss25 and King Tendulkar 2 Link to comment
Sidhoni Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 18 hours ago, Trichromatic said: 8 finals and still nothing much for him on individual front. Only Indian specialist batsman without a 50 in tournament final Even Gambhir is averaging just 23 with 78 SR but we all know how he played when it really mattered. Rasgulla 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 After ABDV probably the most chicken hearted player of the modern era. Watch him score meaningless 100s in WI/Lanka and a 150 in Aus home series dead rubber before media starts the stupid Kohli-SRT-Jesus-Ganesh comparisons all over again. He must sit down and watch Steve Smith's batting videos to understand the meaning of delivering under pressure. King Tendulkar, ThePhenomenal1, SUMO and 1 other 4 Link to comment
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