Rahane can be our floater for 2019WC in middle order- Kohli

[Ankit_sharma03]

25 minutes ago, Silva said:

From what i understand Selectors pick the squad and captain picks the playing 11. One of Kohlis problems with kumble was that he was giving input on team selection. 

But kohli seems to be doing the same thing saying that rahane should be selected in the world cup squad.

Kumble being the coach has right to give input and being a senior so does dhoni

 

But ultimately captain has to play a team on ground so has every right to select 11......no matter how stupid it is and he ll be criticised for it as well.

 

The problem between both n team were something else only. If 10 players had issue with kumble may be he didnt turn out to be a good man manager 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Pollack said:

 

Need to look beyond stats. He has been tried in t20s and his struggle in t20I has skewed perception of not able to accelerate. In ODIs as an opener even dhawan after playing positively ends up with 110 strike rate or around. Rahane has capability to do that though he has failed until now. Statisticall, yes he has been bad. But he is very much capable.But no need to over exaggerate his failure and pass judgement that he is pathetic. 

Yes he has capability and he looked really good in his debut series against eng in 2011 but has he improved well not much in loi

 

He struggles against spinner in middle overs to score freely

He even struggles when balls jaggs around in loi

He plays heavy percentage of dot balls

He doesnt have many release shots

He gets slow in middle overs

Isnt good at playing in gaps and getting single or doubles. 

Throws away his wkts after getting a start so that low s/r hurts more. Atleast dhawan has a good conversion rate

 

 

So after 70 games what do we do with capabilty , rather give new players with capability n utility chances. 

 

We are a top team n we have good amount of bench strength so a player with an avg of 30+ and s/r below 80 cant be among our options even. He wud have been very handy for team like pakistan or west indies but not top 4 nation. Not even sure how long wud even pakistan stick with someone like azhar ali

[Sidhoni]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Raina played 17 of his 18 tests between July 2010 to August 2012

And was good initially and dropped when he wasn't. His comeback in 2014 was out of nowhere and I think he got a pair.

[Silva]

32 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Kumble being the coach has right to give input and being a senior so does dhoni

 

But ultimately captain has to play a team on ground so has every right to select 11......no matter how stupid it is and he ll be criticised for it as well.

 

The problem between both n team were something else only. If 10 players had issue with kumble may be he didnt turn out to be a good man manager 

No one knows for sure what happened but kumble wanting an input on the playing 11 has consistantly been sourced as a major reason between the rift. Examples like the pujara/rohit incident or kumble wanting kuldeep in test team have been given.

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

And was good initially and dropped when he wasn't. His comeback in 2014 was out of nowhere and I think he got a pair.

The issue with Raina in test matches was that he had a weak off-stump game as well as an acute weakness against the short ball..... and this was known to everyone concerned as he was an ODI veteran.  The decision to try him in tests was questionable from the start due to this reason.

 

He scored a few times against weak opposition but never looked the part in test matches....as expected.

[Ankit_sharma03]

28 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

And was good initially and dropped when he wasn't. His comeback in 2014 was out of nowhere and I think he got a pair.

In 2014 shastri wanted him back

[Ankit_sharma03]

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

The issue with Raina in test matches was that he had a weak off-stump game as well as an acute weakness against the short ball..... and this was known to everyone concerned as he was an ODI veteran.  The decision to try him in tests was questionable from the start due to this reason.

 

He scored a few times against weak opposition but never looked the part in test matches....as expected.

Also felt he lost his confidence post his failure in test cricket. Against a good side in test he just gave the vibe that he himself felt he wasnt good enough

[Vijy]

Rahane is not the answer despite his decent performances against WI. He should play only in Tests and that too abroad, not in spinning SC conditions.

[BeautifulGame]

No one knows for sure what happened but kumble wanting an input on the playing 11 has consistantly been sourced as a major reason between the rift. Examples like the pujara/rohit incident or kumble wanting kuldeep in test team have been given.

 

It's also reported that Kohli wanted Kuldeep to play but Kumble insisted on Karun Nair and that was a major reason for rift.

 

 

[Mosher]

Kohli has gone nuts. Its not like we don't have options.  

[Khota]

Kohli is now borderline stupid. India has the deepest bench if utilised properly. He needs to understand that he also got break one day and he is not giving this chance to other players. His stubborness and stupidity is the reason for loss. Nothing else. Three formats three captains. Rahane also won the test after Kohli. He is not the only option.

Edited June 27, 2017 by Khota

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

It's also reported that Kohli wanted Kuldeep to play but Kumble insisted on Karun Nair and that was a major reason for rift.

 

 

The report is bullsh!t. Because Kohli himself has said in press conference that decision to play Kuldeep was of Rahane.Notice how he not give credit to kumble. Then there were reports suggesting kumble pushed for Kuldeep's inclusion and Rahane was positive about it. Since these reports were before any rifts rumours and during the test series, I would believe them. 

[sscomp32]

How did this thread reached to Kumble-Kohli while discussing whether rahane is a useless odi batsman or a useless odi batsman?  

Edited June 27, 2017 by sscomp32

[beetle]

1 hour ago, Pollack said:

The report is bullsh!t. Because Kohli himself has said in press conference that decision to play Kuldeep was of Rahane.Notice how he not give credit to kumble. Then there were reports suggesting kumble pushed for Kuldeep's inclusion and Rahane was positive about it. Since these reports were before any rifts rumours and during the test series, I would believe them. 

I think he was just trying to be fair in giving credit to Rahane and not robbing his glory .

[jusarrived]

Rahane can only play in Top3 , hes not a player who can be used as a Floater . I cant believe some one like Virat who I admire for his game awareness continues to make these borderline stupid selections

[vvvslaxman]

21 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

In the middle order (excluding Zimbabwe)

 

 

 

 

Rahane averages 31 at a strike rate of 82 .Beyond comical.

 

 

 

 

Yeah floter

 

 

That too in this era.

[vvvslaxman]

Real floaters should be able to accelerate and also build.  Ajay Jadeja was a good floater in the 90s. He could open the innings , build in the middle overs and also finish. Pretty sure Rahane could not have played an innings like Jadeja played in 1996 world cup against Pakistan.

[jusarrived]

18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Real floaters should be able to accelerate and also build.  Ajay Jadeja was a good floater in the 90s. He could open the innings , build in the middle overs and also finish. Pretty sure Rahane could not have played an innings like Jadeja played in 1996 world cup against Pakistan.

The only guy who can pull off a floaters role is Virat himself , these days you need most of your batsmen to be able to anchor as well as slog not necessarily being able to just play in different batting positions , unfortunately we are moving backwards opting for limited players who can either slog or play steady . 

[sandeep]

27 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

The only guy who can pull off a floaters role is Virat himself , these days you need most of your batsmen to be able to anchor as well as slog not necessarily being able to just play in different batting positions , unfortunately we are moving backwards opting for limited players who can either slog or play steady . 

Virat's not great at hitting the ball in his first 20-25 balls at the crease either.  He would not be that great batting at #5 .   But he's earned the right to bat at #3 due to his consistent performances there when he got the chance.  

[Khota]

Why does he not have his friend Yuvraj as floater. rahane brings stability. Yuvraj and Dhoni bring chaos.