Vilander Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 minute ago, kirkutfan said: Besides working with the Indian side, he has coached Tamil Nadu, India U 19, India A and at the National Cricket Academy. So he is not a fly by night character. Whoever is making the decision to pick him has access to a long coaching history. he could be good as you say. My issue is more on the definition of the role, it is operational basically. Link to comment
someone Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, Vilander said: nope i am just providing an opposing view to yours - not value judgement on him. You are beyond idiotic when you say he just needs to strategize, his job is operations - bowlers runup delivery stride wickets. Never said that. Good luck, if you just want respond to me on imaginary things not written. Keep responding on things written by yourself.... Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 minute ago, someone said: Never said that. Good luck, if you just want respond to me on imaginary things not written. Keep responding on things written by yourself.... ok, cool we can agree. you never said that then. Link to comment
Pollack Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 While A run may be good overall we definitely need a fast bowling coach who can help our bowlers through his experience and provide technical and strategic inputs on overseas tour like South Africa. BCCi should hire pace bowling consultants for specific tours and continue with Arun as permanent. Link to comment
asterix Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 When everything is bad, don't fret... let it be bad... Kohli will decide which match or series to win and which to lose... Let it be... Link to comment
express bowling Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Bharat Arun is supposed to be a good bowling coach. He did a professional job with Hyderabad and deserves credit for the sudden rise of Md. Siraj. Their other pacers, Milind and Ravi Kiran, did well too this season. A person who has not played much international cricket can be a good coach. Operational areas can be easily addressed too. My only question is.... why did we not go with coaches like Shane Bond or Brett Lee or Jason Gillespie ..... who are both good coaches as well as top international pacers ? BCCI definitely has the means to hire one of them. Vilander, Mosher and MK55 3 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 27 minutes ago, express bowling said: Bharat Arun is supposed to be a good bowling coach. He did a professional job with Hyderabad and deserves credit for the sudden rise of Md. Siraj. Their other pacers, Milind and Ravi Kiran, did well too this season. A person who has not played much international cricket can be a good coach. Operational areas can be easily addressed too. My only question is.... why did we not go with coaches like Shane Bond or Brett Lee or Jason Gillespie ..... who are both good coaches as well as top international pacers ? BCCI definitely has the means to hire one of them. At domestic and below levels coaches without much international experience can work because you still are teaching youngsters the basics of bowling. But at international level bowlers like Bhuvi, Umesh, Shami, etc. have the basics mostly right but it is other skills like setting up batsman, handling pressure situations in big matches, setting your own field, knowing when to bowl bouncer or Yorker, out thinking the batsman, etc that they need to be coached on. For that you need to have been in such real time situations in international matches to coach others. It is not a question of either having international experience or coaching skills, a good international coach should have both. It is like the Pace or Skill debate, a good pacer should have both, similarly a good coach should have both. It is not as if the richest board doesn't have any choices. speedheat, BeautifulGame and Vilander 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Forever Indian said: At domestic and below levels coaches without much international experience can work because you still are teaching youngsters the basics of bowling. But at international level bowlers like Bhuvi, Umesh, Shami, etc. have the basics mostly right but it is other skills like setting up batsman, handling pressure situations in big matches, setting your own field, knowing when to bowl bouncer or Yorker, out thinking the batsman, etc that they need to be coached on. For that you need to have been in such real time situations in international matches to coach others. It is not a question of either having international experience or coaching skills, a good international coach should have both. It is like the Pace or Skill debate, a good pacer should have both, similarly a good coach should have both. It is not as if the richest board doesn't have any choices. As I said in the last part of my post... I would ideally like Bond or Lee or Gillespie type coaches. But, setting up batsmen setting your own field, knowing when to bowl bouncers and yorkers are all areas which can be learnt by watching international cricket too. You can have bowlers like Ishant, who does not learn much even after 70 odd tests.... you can also have a bowler who is a keen observer with an analytical mind, and learns stuff by observing from outside. Handling pressure and out-thinking batsmen are 2 areas which you have to learn by yourself. Another issue is.... bowlers like Ishant and Umesh still have to be taught the basics of bowling. Vilander, Mosher and MCcricket 3 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 There was lot of heated discussion about Bharat Arun in our podcast last night. Should India replace him with better coach? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 No matter how a good is B arun , he cant share international exp.........what needs to be done in certain situations Also what happ to having Zak n dravid on away tours Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: No matter how a good is B arun , he cant share international exp.........what needs to be done in certain situations Also what happ to having Zak n dravid on away tours It was just Shastri's way of saying GTFO. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Are you guys saying that Shastri was the wrong appointment because he picked Arun because of friendship rather than ability? If yes who would you have picked from the applicants instead? Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Q. Bharat Arun - crony or coach? Ans: neither, he is a cockroach. Frustrated, Gollum, sensible-indian and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Stuge Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 On 7/14/2017 at 7:07 PM, Malcolm Merlyn said: Ye sutiya coach bana to i will support ireland. Ireland support kar :P Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 crony or coach? neither, he is a #%$€. speedheat 1 Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Ireland support kar Kar raha hoon. Stuge and Trichromatic 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 First things first. Fire Sridhar, we can look into the other issues later. Link to comment
speedheat Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Tattieboy said: Are you guys saying that Shastri was the wrong appointment because he picked Arun because of friendship rather than ability? If yes who would you have picked from the applicants instead? Bharat arun is the first-half of your username Answer to other question is Zak or Shane bond Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, speedheat said: Bharat arun is the first-half of your username Answer to other question is Zak or Shane bond What exactly does Tattie mean in India, never heard that used when there . My question really was that Shastri was the wrong pick and that's why you end up with people like Arun Link to comment
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