Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Hussain said, “The lads who are coming in aren't doing anything. They won (the first Test at Lord's because of Joe Root...the ones they've won before have been because of Root, Ben Stokes, Moeen Ali, Jimmy Anderson, Stuart Broad in Johannesburg.” He continued, “The selectors are going to have to have a good long look at themselves because their record in the last two years -- two years ago it was one-day cricket, now in Test match cricket -- their selections have been abysmal. Name some lads who've come in: (James) Vince, (Ben) Duckett, (Gareth) Batty, (Zafar) Ansari...I can name a long list but no-one's coming in and doing well. Ballance, Alex Hales.” Hussain also criticized the selection of Gary Balance saying, “Selection is not just about saying 'Gary Ballance has 1,000 first-class runs so Gary Ballance plays'. Speak to umpires, speak to bowlers, has he actually changed? He hasn't changed a thing and we're getting exactly what we got the last two times. He'll go back to county cricket and score runs again but that doesn't mean he's an international cricketer.” WC2011INDIA, Temujin Khaghan, MCcricket and 5 others 8 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) Something thats also happening in Indian cricket “Selection is not just about saying 'Gary Ballance has 1,000 first-class runs so Gary Ballance plays'. Speak to umpires, speak to bowlers, has he actually changed? He hasn't changed a thing and we're getting exactly what we got the last two times.He'll go back to county cricket and score runs again but that doesn't mean he's an international cricketer.” - Naseer hussain Something similar that i believe is the case with someone like Dinesh karthik or many people who keep getting recycled Wish we had someone like hussain , instead indian cricket has people who get blinded by IPL n domestic n doesnt wanna study more then stats Edited July 18, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03 Pratik77, express bowling, MCcricket and 6 others 9 Link to comment
Popular Post Sandeep99 Posted July 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2017 Lovely from Hussain. Doesn't hold back. Our pu8sy legends have no guts to speak up. That includes Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid, and Sehwag. Shame. Zero_Unit, MCcricket, Bigg Brother and 9 others 12 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 always loved hussain and atherton's insight,you hear them ask questions during presentation you know they are not their to ask easy questions Sandeep99, express bowling, Pratik77 and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Khota Posted July 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2017 I am glad he did that. England has a better culture and is more tolerant of critisim. The only player with some balls who could do that in Indian cricket was Bedi and they traet him like a pariah. Shastri, Tendulkar , gavaskar should be ashamed of themselves. Instead ofg advancing cricket these shameful people have made this stuff a personal domain. GoldenSun, nevada, WC2011INDIA and 9 others 12 Link to comment
sscomp32 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Something thats also happening in Indian cricket “Selection is not just about saying 'Gary Ballance has 1,000 first-class runs so Gary Ballance plays'. Speak to umpires, speak to bowlers, has he actually changed? He hasn't changed a thing and we're getting exactly what we got the last two times.He'll go back to county cricket and score runs again but that doesn't mean he's an international cricketer.” - Naseer hussain Something similar that i believe is the case with someone like Dinesh karthik or many people who keep getting recycled Wish we had someone like hussain , instead indian cricket has people who get blinded by IPL n domestic n doesnt wanna study more then stats First name that come to my mind reading this was DK Also indian rockstars cant take an ounce of criticism. Harsha said something which wasnt even criticism and he was fired. Better to say nothing about legends. Great players but awful after that. Did absolutely nothing useful till now . nevada, GoldenSun, Temujin Khaghan and 2 others 5 Link to comment
sscomp32 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10951954/nasser-rues-abysmal-selection Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 He should drop some names of players he wants selected instead of just complaining. Link to comment
putrevus Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It is very easy to complain, what will selectors do if the selected players are not doing the job. They selected Hasseb but he has stunk this season, Jennings scored an 100 on debut three tests back.The selections are fine but team composition is wrong. They do not need Dawson.Coaches are to be blamed for that, who plays two spinners in England. You need to reward performances in domestic cricket or there will be no one who wants to play them seriously.While on one hand there are DKs or Ballances but there will also be Steve Smiths or VVS Laxmans who went back to domestic cricket after initial failures made come backs and never looked back. England's problem is they have too many bits and pieces players.They may work in odis but they will never be consistent in tests. India had this problem in 1980s to mid 1990s till Manoj Prabhakar retired.On paper India had Kapil, Shastri, Prabhakar, Binny, Madan Lal. Except Kapil none of them were international class and it showed in tests they simply could not win even at home. Players like Kallis are so hard to find.England is going gaga over Stokes but he simply is not good enough bowler who can run thru sides or can command a place in top order and same is the case with Ali. An allrounder should walk into a team based on either bowling or batting. GoldenSun and f.b.m 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: You need to reward performances in domestic cricket or there will be no one who wants to play them seriously.While on one hand there are DKs or Ballances but there will also be Steve Smiths or VVS Laxmans who went back to domestic cricket after initial failures made come backs and never looked back. Ofocurse domestic perfomances shud be considered......But not only that Now, u have to go n look has the player improved his areas which he had issues with and thats what naseer said Hussain also criticized the selection of Gary Balance saying, “Selection is not just about saying 'Gary Ballance has 1,000 first-class runs so Gary Ballance plays'. Speak to umpires, speak to bowlers, has he actually changed? He hasn't changed a thing and we're getting exactly what we got the last two times. He'll go back to county cricket and score runs again but that doesn't mean he's an international cricketer.” Now by watching stats anyone can be a selector , but selector have to identify right player some may even not have gr8 stats . If only stats become the criteria we ll have a pace attack led by vinay kumar and an all rounder like rishi over pandya Now when a player is dropped u have to look has he worked on his problem Raina has a short ball problem, he ll go n smash domestic trundler but does tht assure that his short pitch problem against 140k + bowlers have solved Rohit goes to domestic n smashes triple hundred does that mean he has become a better test batsman Karthik every time goes to domestic or ipl smashes runs and comes back to show a brain fade. Now after 13 yrs has he solved his mental issues.....n how are we judging by his perfomance in domestic were stands are empty and bowling isnt of highest quality GoldenSun and express bowling 2 Link to comment
putrevus Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Ofocurse domestic perfomances shud be considered......But not only that Now, u have to go n look has the player improved his areas which he had issues with and thats what naseer said Hussain also criticized the selection of Gary Balance saying, “Selection is not just about saying 'Gary Ballance has 1,000 first-class runs so Gary Ballance plays'. Speak to umpires, speak to bowlers, has he actually changed? He hasn't changed a thing and we're getting exactly what we got the last two times. He'll go back to county cricket and score runs again but that doesn't mean he's an international cricketer.” Now by watching stats anyone can be a selector , but selector have to identify right player some may even not have gr8 stats . If only stats become the criteria we ll have a pace attack led by vinay kumar and an all rounder like rishi over pandya Now when a player is dropped u have to look has he worked on his problem Raina has a short ball problem, he ll go n smash domestic trundler but does tht assure that his short pitch problem against 140k + bowlers have solved Rohit goes to domestic n smashes triple hundred does that mean he has become a better test batsman Karthik every time goes to domestic or ipl smashes runs and comes back to show a brain fade. Now after 13 yrs has he solved his mental issues.....n how are we judging by his perfomance in domestic were stands are empty and bowling isnt of highest quality Karthik or any TTFs who are called up after lighting up domestic cricket will have limited shelf life if they fail on their comebacks. Just because they have failed you don't discard them or the process.All selectors are hoping in their cases is catch lightening in bottle and hope they carry their domestic form to international scene.Andy Bichel comes to mind, he was selected to Australian side on back of strong domestic performances and he did play a vital role in Aussies winning 2003 world cup.After he lost his form he was discarded. Raina will never overcome his short comings and same thing happened with Yuvraj he never over came his technical deficiencies and hence was a test failure. Yuvi stopped getting into test squad once likes of Kohlis and Pujaras made their way. Selection of Rohit in squad to Sl is not wrong at all. He will not get many more chances.He got this chance because Nair has flopped and no other youngster has shown that class.Once that happens Rohit will fade away from test scene like Yuvi/Raina . Yuvi/DK are getting selected to odi squads for one reason alone.No youngster has pushed them out, show me one youngster who can match Yuvi's stroke play in domestic cricket. Edited July 18, 2017 by putrevus GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 28 minutes ago, putrevus said: Karthik or any TTFs who are called up after lighting up domestic cricket will have limited shelf life if they fail on their comebacks. Just because they have failed you don't discard them or the process.All selectors are hoping in their cases is catch lightening in bottle and hope they carry their domestic form to international scene.Andy Bichel comes to mind, he was selected to Australian side on back of strong domestic performances and he did play a vital role in Aussies winning 2003 world cup.After he lost his form he was discarded. This guy has been failing for 13 yrs.....and constantly blowing up chances one after another.....how many do we want to give him to decide he is not meant for it 28 minutes ago, putrevus said: Raina will never overcome his short comings and same thing happened with Yuvraj he never over came his technical deficiencies and hence was a test failure. Yuvi stopped getting into test squad once likes of Kohlis and Pujaras made their way. Selection of Rohit in squad to Sl is not wrong at all. He will not get many more chances.He got this chance because Nair has flopped and no other youngster has shown that class.Once that happens Rohit will fade away from test scene like Yuvi/Raina . Ok nair flopped in one series But Rohit has failed in many series how come he is yet to be dropped from squad 28 minutes ago, putrevus said: Yuvi/DK are getting selected to odi squads for one reason alone.No youngster has pushed them out, show me one youngster who can match Yuvi's stroke play in domestic cricket. Have we tried all youngster that we have declared their case hopeless....infact most godo ones are yet to be given a chance Stroke play ill come to that later 1st the guy needs to survive out his intial phase to go bonker, he looks so poor that he cant pass that phase only Spin, pace u name it and he struggles now Obv when on song he looks amazing but cant wait for that one perfomance in 15-20 games No one looks as vunerable as yuvraj at start if we go n find in domestic Now stroke play- pant, hooda, rahul, pandey , kishen are bloody good and they ll get better with time. Even Yuvraj singh didnt become the player he was when he came in. Over the year yuvraj became a better player and better stroke player to . GoldenSun and RAZPOR 2 Link to comment
putrevus Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: This guy has been failing for 13 yrs.....and constantly blowing up chances one after another.....how many do we want to give him to decide he is not meant for it Ok nair flopped in one series But Rohit has failed in many series how come he is yet to be dropped from squad Have we tried all youngster that we have declared their case hopeless....infact most godo ones are yet to be given a chance Stroke play ill come to that later 1st the guy needs to survive out his intial phase to go bonker, he looks so poor that he cant pass that phase only Spin, pace u name it and he struggles now Obv when on song he looks amazing but cant wait for that one perfomance in 15-20 games No one looks as vunerable as yuvraj at start if we go n find in domestic Now stroke play- pant, hooda, rahul, pandey , kishen are bloody good and they ll get better with time. Even Yuvraj singh didnt become the player he was when he came in. Over the year yuvraj became a better player and better stroke player to . I have not seen one youngster recently who look as talented as Rohit was in 2007 or Yuvi was in 2000. Yuvi was stroke player from the word go, where are the next Pujaras if they are churning runs like Pujara did they will be called up. These youngsters have IPL to show case their talent and has any India youngster other than Pant impressed, in my view the answer is no.Pant did and he will get his chances. Why are you hung up DK getting called up for one meaning less series. f.b.m and GoldenSun 1 1 Link to comment
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Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: I have not seen one youngster recently who look as talented as Rohit was in 2007 or Yuvi was in 2000. Yuvi was stroke player from the word go, where are the next Pujaras if they are churning runs like Pujara did they will be called up. These youngsters have IPL to show case their talent and has any India youngster other than Pant impressed, in my view the answer is no.Pant did and he will get his chances. Why are you hung up DK getting called up for one meaning less series. N rohit struggled, someone less better looking knws as kohli turned out to be best batsman Yuvi use to be damn week against spin , atleast pant doesnt struggle against any one thing badly Pujara struggled overseas himself and again kohli , rahane proved to be much better Chance nhin doge to kaise pata chalega, kona acha hai, kon better hai REcycle karte rahoge wahi result milega This meaningless cud have been a platform to try few youngsters, when wud u wanna try them against WI or at the end of the year against Sa in SA Edited July 18, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Silva Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, putrevus said: Why are you hung up DK getting called up for one meaning less series. Its a wasted oppurtunity to build towards the world cup. Pandya, jadhav, bumrah are back bones of the lo squads and they only needed a few oportunities to prove themselves.instead of looking for other matchwinners the team gives chances to rahane, ashwin, jadeja and kartik who at their best can only be average lo players. Ankit_sharma03 and f.b.m 2 Link to comment
putrevus Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 56 minutes ago, Silva said: Its a wasted oppurtunity to build towards the world cup. Pandya, jadhav, bumrah are back bones of the lo squads and they only needed a few oportunities to prove themselves.instead of looking for other matchwinners the team gives chances to rahane, ashwin, jadeja and kartik who at their best can only be average lo players. Ashwin and jadeja are no1 and no2 test bowlers and they were the reason why India won CT last time .You want them to kicked out. Rahane is the backbone of Indian test batting and he still aspires to have an odi career.What would you as do as a captain/selectors not give him chances in an meaningless series to appease him. People were asking to kick Dhawan out of the team long before the CT but he proved to be one of India's best batstmen there. I am all for youth movement but you don't play youth just for the sake of playing them you need to to have talent too.I don't see any talented youngster left out other than Pant.Pant is getting and will get his chances. Pandya got his chances what did he do? did he make any difference with bat or ball.There are no Sachins in domestic cricket who are being left out. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Ashwin and jadeja are no1 and no2 test bowlers and they were the reason why India won CT last time . Past CT perfomance, us criteria se to gambhir, yuvi shud have played 2015WC Odi is a diff format and ashwin has been getting benched 1 minute ago, putrevus said: You want them to kicked out. Rahane is the backbone of Indian test batting and he still aspires to have an odi career.What would you as do as a captain/selectors not give him chances in an meaningless series to appease him. SO is pujara, vijay....get them also Langer shud have been played in ODi and so shud have eng continued with cook Look at his ODI numbers, post 70 games this guy had an avg of 32 and s/r of 78 in modern cricket(before WI ) He is a good cricketer but he has been given so much chance.....what has he done in ODI He cant accelerate His dot ball % is so high Throws away his starts Struggles in middle overs Have to be hidden incase we need to score quick Why wud u back such guy........just becoz he is good in some other format whichn played with diff ball 1 minute ago, putrevus said: People were asking to kick Dhawan out of the team long before the CT but he proved to be one of India's best batstmen there. I am all for youth movement but you don't play youth just for the sake of playing them you need to to have talent too.I don't see any talented youngster left out other than Pant.Pant is getting and will get his chances. No talented youngster...... Sorry man not our concern if u dnt follow domestic or IPL or A-tours. We people follow them with gr8 interest and trust most here will list u 10-15 players who ll be above yuvraj, karthik, rahane 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Pandya got his chances what did he do? did he make any difference with bat or ball.There are no Sachins in domestic cricket who are being left out. What did pandya do.....the guy performs in every game He avg of above 40 with bat His eco, avg is better then our main bowlers. A player like sachin is once in centuary, u wnt find them in any countries domestic circuit. There were never 11 sachin in any era and never wud be Silva, GoldenSun and ss25 3 Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, sscomp32 said: First name that come to my mind reading this was DK Also indian rockstars cant take an ounce of criticism. Harsha said something which wasnt even criticism and he was fired. Better to say nothing about legends. Great players but awful after that. Did absolutely nothing useful till now . Yeah Indian super stars cant take criticism, they are all faultless starting from captain saheb. Edited July 18, 2017 by Vilander GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, putrevus said: Ashwin and jadeja are no1 and no2 test bowlers and they were the reason why India won CT last time .You want them to kicked out. Rahane is the backbone of Indian test batting and he still aspires to have an odi career.What would you as do as a captain/selectors not give him chances in an meaningless series to appease him. People were asking to kick Dhawan out of the team long before the CT but he proved to be one of India's best batstmen there. I am all for youth movement but you don't play youth just for the sake of playing them you need to to have talent too.I don't see any talented youngster left out other than Pant.Pant is getting and will get his chances. Pandya got his chances what did he do? did he make any difference with bat or ball.There are no Sachins in domestic cricket who are being left out. guess he is speaking about LOI's Link to comment
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