Sachin Tendulkar vs Steve Smith - Comparative Analysis

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Smith record in England not very good . Sachin is god there 

 

smith very good at home . Like a better version of pujara 

Smith has 3 hundreds in England after 10 tests, average 47, SRT had 4 after 17 tests. Averages 54.

[King Tendulkar]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Smith has 3 hundreds in England after 10 tests, average 47, SRT had 4 after 17 tests. Averages 54.

Actually in England smith averages disappointing 43

 

in Bangladesh shocking 29

 in Sri Lanka mediocre 41

in uae 43 

 

gaping holes . Awesome at home agree 

 

Sachin has seen them come and seen them go 

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said:

Actually in England smith averages disappointing 43

 

in Bangladesh shocking 29

 in Sri Lanka mediocre 41

in uae 43 

 

gaping holes . Awesome at home agree 

 

Sachin has seen them come and seen them go 

SRT averaged 40 in Pakistan, Zimbabwe and 46 in SA (actually impoved it from 40 to 46 in last tour), failed against SA in India.  How is Smith's performing worse if you bring all this in picture.

[King Tendulkar]

17 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

SRT averaged 40 in Pakistan, Zimbabwe and 46 in SA (actually impoved it from 40 to 46 in last tour), failed against SA in India.  How is Smith's performing worse if you bring all this in picture.

But clear pattern with smith ? 

 

In 3 Asian countries mediocre record ( struggles v spin)

 

in engaknd mediocre record ( struggles v swing as also shows by his horror show under lights v England last test )

 

haping holes in record . Excellent bat but far from complete as shown by record 

[Trichromatic]

6 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

But clear pattern with smith ? 

 

In 3 Asian countries mediocre record ( struggles v spin)

 

in engaknd mediocre record ( struggles v swing as also shows by his horror show under lights v England last test )

 

haping holes in record . Excellent bat but far from complete as shown by record 

Averaging 40 is not mediocre record. That's what most ATG have including SRT have in 3-4 countries. He has already shown his capability against 2 best spinners in world on rank turners in India. That was one of the most challenging series for batsmen and he came out with numbers which others get on flat pitches at home only.

[Jimmy Cliff]

6 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

He has already shown his capability against 2 best spinners in world on rank turners in India.

There were only 2 rank turners in that series (Pune and Bengaluru). He failed in 3 of the 4 innings there. Got a 100 in the 2nd innings at Pune after being dropped half a dozen times. Not that this means he isn't the best Test batsman in the world.

[putrevus]

No question Smith is having much better peak and is much more consistent in making big scores.Sachin never never had this kind of consistent big scores.Sachin was steady eddy whose scores were helping more his average than his team winning series, he had his one or two good scores per series and rest of the series he went missing.

 

I have not seen bowlers look so helpless against anybody.Yes he looks vulnerable against moving ball , who isn't weak against moving ball.This notion that Sachin somehow scored ton of runs against moving ball is totally false.

Edited December 16, 2017 by putrevus

[Khota]

You cannot analyze this. There is no way to compare the two. This is exercise in futility.

[Vijy]

13 hours ago, Prince_ said:

Smith has already achieved that level. To be completely honest, the only one thing that was good about Sachin was his longevity. 

 

Yes, he was great in 90s and he was easily the best batsman in that period. But he became rubbish after that who just played safe cricket to score useless match losing hundreds. He was easily couple of leagues below viv and ponting. 

ponting had serious issues against spin. srt may not have been a genuine match winner but techincally he was much better than punter

[Shunya]

Another 500+ runs series for Smith. Only 5 innings needed to reach there.  

 

[SUMO]

His peak average may touch 70, the way he is playing.

[Rasgulla]

15 hours ago, Shunya said:

Another 500+ runs series for Smith. Only 5 innings needed to reach there.  

 

Making sachin and this thread look like a joke everyday

 

Smith

Edited December 27, 2017 by Rasgulla

[goose]

can mods please create a sub forum for the under-aged?

[Muloghonto]

On 12/16/2017 at 1:23 AM, Trichromatic said:

SRT averaged 40 in Pakistan, Zimbabwe and 46 in SA (actually impoved it from 40 to 46 in last tour), failed against SA in India.  How is Smith's performing worse if you bring all this in picture.

Pakistan that SRT faced : Wasim, Waqar, Imran, Qadir, Saqlain, Shoaib.  
Zimbabwe that SRT faced would have the fourth best bowling attack today after AUS, RSA and England. Streak, Strang, Price were all very good bowlers and teams were routinely making 350-all out vs Zimbabwe back then. 

RSA that SRT faced included Donald, Pollock, Ntini, deVilliers, Steyn, Morkel, etc. 

 

Sachin had '40 average' against bowling attacks like RSA that hardly anyone had 40 average against, back in that time-frame. Except for Lara, Chanderpaul, Steve Waugh, Ponting and maybe Gilchrist, nobody averaged 40+ vs RSA in RSA during that era.

 

 

The fact that Smith is nowhere close to Tendulkar is proven by the simple fact that Smith averages 62+ after 100 innings, in an age where 400 is the par score for 1st innings and there is hardly a pacer with sub 27  and spinner with sub-30 bowling aveage, while Tendulkar averaged 59.6 over 150 tests & 260 innings, spanning 18 years, with bowling attacks full of players with sub 25 average for pacers, sub-30 average for spinners, on pitches where 300 was the par 1st innings score and in an era when only seven-eight players managed to average 50+ in that entire span after playing a reasonable number of tests. 

 

[rtmohanlal]

On 11/26/2017 at 4:39 PM, Rasgulla said:

If sachin played starc and johnson at peak... He would have  been out of  the team 10 years early  and his legs would be shaking... lucky man played again Nambia and kenya and got few 100s 

To me Sachin's twin inns of 241* & 60* are the epitome of impact inns, infact test equivalent of Dhoni's 91* in world cup final match .

The man himself being terribly out of form,golden once in a century oppertunity of upsetting the undisputed world no:1 team in their own den  for the first time ever in asian cricket history(doubt any asian team has won a series in AUS) comes up with mammoth 301 runs with out getting dismissed(critics keep in mind he would have even got 400+ had he not denied  the oppertunities to do so).He sets up the match, he  does the required acceleration in the 2nd inns and all he could do.But the keeper Parthiv along with incompetent set of bowlers make sure his efforts go in vain.I would even blame the captain Ganguly  for declaring too early in India's 1st inns because when he declared it was only some 5 overs into the 3rd day.What then required was to gather as much runs possible  in the first inns itself so that he could have  phased the 2nd inns much better depending on AUS first inns.I am sure had some Indian player  especially Virat played those inns today ,he would have been glorified to sky high levels for the effort.

Edited December 28, 2017 by rtmohanlal

[jalebi_bhai]

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

The fact that Smith is nowhere close to Tendulkar is proven by the simple fact that Smith averages 62+ after 100 innings, in an age where 400 is the par score for 1st innings and there is hardly a pacer with sub 27  and spinner with sub-30 bowling aveage, while Tendulkar averaged 59.6 over 150 tests & 260 innings, spanning 18 years, with bowling attacks full of players with sub 25 average for pacers, sub-30 average for spinners, on pitches where 300 was the par 1st innings score and in an era when only seven-eight players managed to average 50+ in that entire span after playing a reasonable number of tests. 

 

You're comparing them over their entire careers while this thread is comparing them at similar stages in their careers. After similar number of games in their careers, Smith is clearly ahead.

[rtmohanlal]

6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Pakistan that SRT faced : Wasim, Waqar, Imran, Qadir, Saqlain, Shoaib.  
Zimbabwe that SRT faced would have the fourth best bowling attack today after AUS, RSA and England. Streak, Strang, Price were all very good bowlers and teams were routinely making 350-all out vs Zimbabwe back then. 

RSA that SRT faced included Donald, Pollock, Ntini, deVilliers, Steyn, Morkel, etc. 

 

Sachin had '40 average' against bowling attacks like RSA that hardly anyone had 40 average against, back in that time-frame. Except for Lara, Chanderpaul, Steve Waugh, Ponting and maybe Gilchrist, nobody averaged 40+ vs RSA in RSA during that era.

 

 

The fact that Smith is nowhere close to Tendulkar is proven by the simple fact that Smith averages 62+ after 100 innings, in an age where 400 is the par score for 1st innings and there is hardly a pacer with sub 27  and spinner with sub-30 bowling aveage, while Tendulkar averaged 59.6 over 150 tests & 260 innings, spanning 18 years, with bowling attacks full of players with sub 25 average for pacers, sub-30 average for spinners, on pitches where 300 was the par 1st innings score and in an era when only seven-eight players managed to average 50+ in that entire span after playing a reasonable number of tests. 

 

you missed Brett Schultz.He was nasty and effective than even Donald.It was unfortunate that frequent injuries cut short his career.

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said:

You're comparing them over their entire careers while this thread is comparing them at similar stages in their careers. After similar number of games in their careers, Smith is clearly ahead.

Similar games is irrelevant. 

similar stages at their careers ? 

Fine, after 60 tests, Sachin was 25 years old. Smith, is 28. 
This, despite the fact that Tendulkar played more than 8 tests in a year only ONCE in his first ten years.

 

At the age of 28, same as Smith currently, Sachin had  7419 runs at 57.96, with 27 tons and 30 fifties, from 89 tests. Numerically, pretty close. Factor in Sachin being one of only FIVE active players at this point to have 50+ average ( Steve Waugh, Tendulkar, Dravid, Lara and Andy Flower having 50+ average circa 2001), as opposed to 'every team having one or two or three 50+ average batsmen', with half a dozen active bowlers with sub-25 bowling averages (against whom Tendulkar had compiled said runs), then it becomes clear, that 'inflation-adjusted', Smith is far, far behind. 

 

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

you missed Brett Schultz.He was nasty and effective than even Donald.It was unfortunate that frequent injuries cut short his career.

I don't count Shultz because he hardly ever played. Same with Bond. Unless we are talking about the 40s and 50s, when literally people played 5-6 tests the entire year, having a 10-15 test career means virtually nothing in the modern age. But yes, when Shultz was fit, he was the 'hammer' of the attack, as his bouncers were even more potent than Donald's. 

[rtmohanlal]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

I don't count Shultz because he hardly ever played. Same with Bond. Unless we are talking about the 40s and 50s, when literally people played 5-6 tests the entire year, having a 10-15 test career means virtually nothing in the modern age. But yes, when Shultz was fit, he was the 'hammer' of the attack, as his bouncers were even more potent than Donald's. 

The point is as to whether Schultz created trouble for the batsmen at the crease or not  & I think you would agree on that matter . Agreed that Schultz  or Bond didn't turn out to be ATG bowlers(the potential definitely was there for both these bowlers though)