Mohammed Shami passes yo-yo test; available for the Test series selection.

[Gollum]

@express bowling Another observation based on white ball cricket...may sound harsh but Bumrah seems vulnerable in high pressure situations. That is a concern because test cricket tests one's mental toughness unlike any other format. Not every day will be rosy especially overseas and against top teams, he may go for long spells without wickets and catch drops, bad luck, big partnerships, searing conditions, playing catch up (courtesy batsmen), defending moderate totals etc. 

Edited July 6, 2018 by Gollum

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Great news, our best quick bowler by a country mile....hope his mind is in the right place though. 

Shami is good only in Indian conditions. He did poorly last time in SA, England. Even this time he did ok in SA.

Edited July 6, 2018 by gattaca

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Shami, Bumrah and Bhuvi will be my first 3 fast bowlers in tests in England.  Will choose Umesh if we play a 4th specialist pacer, which I am in favour of.

 

As the test series is long, it would be a good idea to choose 6 specialist pacers in the squad, and Rajpoot and Ishant could be the other 2.

So you don't have faith in Ishant Sharma 2.0?  I think he's miles better than Rajpoot at the moment.  Given Umesh's tendency to blow hot and blow cold, I'd say its a tie between Ishant and Umesh for the 4th slot.  Umesh right now seems to be back to the top of his game, like he was in the home tests against Aus.  

 

 

[rkt.india]

26 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@express bowling Another observation based on white ball cricket...may sound harsh but Bumrah seems vulnerable in high pressure situations. That is a concern because test cricket tests one's mental toughness unlike any other format. Not every day will be rosy especially overseas and against top teams, he may go for long spells without wickets and catch drops, bad luck, big partnerships, searing conditions, playing catch up (courtesy batsmen), defending moderate totals etc. 

test cricket does not have high pressure of T20 or even ODIs. Test is the easier format to play pressure wise

[Moochad]

Good that Shami is fit now, if only he plays the ODIs, when was the last time he played a real match?

 

I am hoping Bumrah gets fit by the time of the Tests, he is my first choice.

[Austin 3:!6]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Shami is not a good LOI bowler anymore.

Thakur se to acha hi hai.

Infact Sholya's Thakur with one hand can bowl better than our trundler Thakur

[Austin 3:!6]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

when on song , no one is better then shami 

Baat whai ke machine kab garam hoti hia 

Shami ka machine hamesha garam rehta hai

[Ankit_sharma03]

57 minutes ago, sandeep said:

So you don't have faith in Ishant Sharma 2.0?  I think he's miles better than Rajpoot at the moment.  Given Umesh's tendency to blow hot and blow cold, I'd say its a tie between Ishant and Umesh for the 4th slot.  Umesh right now seems to be back to the top of his game, like he was in the home tests against Aus.  

 

 

I wud wanna see how much ishant has improved after this county stint, he wud have improved no doubt but the question how much

 

[Number]

Good news. Finally someone who can partner Bhuvi for the new ball. 

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Bumrah is better...infact he is top 3 seamer from Asia.

potentially you mean. it would be great if Bumrah continues his current form.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

So you don't have faith in Ishant Sharma 2.0?  I think he's miles better than Rajpoot at the moment.  Given Umesh's tendency to blow hot and blow cold, I'd say its a tie between Ishant and Umesh for the 4th slot.  Umesh right now seems to be back to the top of his game, like he was in the home tests against Aus.  

 

 

i have to agree...

 

Umesh vs Ishant will be the contest..but may be Umesh will edge Ishant out..as Umesh will have opportunity in the loi's.

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, Mosher said:

This is a long series I think everyone will get a chance. 

this.

[Austin 3:!6]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

potentially you mean. it would be great if Bumrah continues his current form.

Considering all formats, I think top 3 seamers from Asia are -

1)Amir

2)Hasan Ali

3)Bumrah

[Vilander]

4 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Considering all formats, I think top 3 seamers from Asia are -

1)Amir

2)Hasan Ali

3)Bumrah

no idea about the pak bowlers in t20 and loi but they are not very good in tests.

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

So you don't have faith in Ishant Sharma 2.0?  I think he's miles better than Rajpoot at the moment.  Given Umesh's tendency to blow hot and blow cold, I'd say its a tie between Ishant and Umesh for the 4th slot.  Umesh right now seems to be back to the top of his game, like he was in the home tests against Aus.  

 

 

Hi sandeep.Kuldeep ahead of chahal.

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

So you don't have faith in Ishant Sharma 2.0?  I think he's miles better than Rajpoot at the moment.  Given Umesh's tendency to blow hot and blow cold, I'd say its a tie between Ishant and Umesh for the 4th slot.  Umesh right now seems to be back to the top of his game, like he was in the home tests against Aus.  

 

 

 

If Ishant 2.0 means Ishant after his 2018 county stint, then we have not seen him bowl much. Only a handful of overs in the test match against Afghanistan.

 

In that match, his stock delivery was the inswinger. I think you would agree that good inswing bowlers are those who are both quick and skiddy ... because that is what gets you bowleds and LBWs.   Ishant is more a bouncy fast-medium bowler with some quick spells.

 

His inability to think and adapt to the situation will always told him back  (  as is the case with Umesh  )

 

The reason why I think that Rajpoot can work in England is because he is a natural outswing bowler who bowls a wonderful line for an outswing bowler. This maybe ideal in England.  The advantage that he has over typical swing bowlers is that, he is tall and can hit the deck hard for bounce and seam movement if the ball is not swinging.  His weakness maybe his ability to sustain pace in test matches. We don't have much evidence about this aspect to come up with an informed opinion.

 

Navdeep Saini, who is quick and skiddy and brings the ball in,  would be my pick over either Ishant of Rajpoot, while bowling in Asia and even Australia.

 

Your point about Umesh is a valid one. We don't know whether we will get Dr. Jekyl or Mr.Hyde.  But, given his current form, I am willing to try him in the 1st test.

[express bowling]

29 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Considering all formats, I think top 3 seamers from Asia are -

1)Amir

2)Hasan Ali

3)Bumrah

 

What has Amir done in test matches or ODIs  ?

 

What has Hasan Ali done in tests  ?

 

Bumrah has low averages in all 3 formats.

 

Shami has done really well in both tests and ODIs.

 

Both Shami and Bumrah are ahead of either Amir or Hasan as all format bowlers.

[sandeep]

53 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I wud wanna see how much ishant has improved after this county stint, he wud have improved no doubt but the question how much

 

Even before his county stint, Ishant has arguably improved.  And he's the one guy who can be relied on to give you a big number of economical workhorse overs.  As good as the bowlers can be individually, people tend to overlook the fact that test bowling units have to hunt as a pack, and maintain pressure.  Given the fact that India can't assume that Jadeja will be bowling a ton of quick tight overs, the 3rd pacer's ability to maintain control and pressure becomes quite important.  Umesh and Shami both have demonstrated a distinct weakness in this aspect. 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

@express bowling Another observation based on white ball cricket...may sound harsh but Bumrah seems vulnerable in high pressure situations. That is a concern because test cricket tests one's mental toughness unlike any other format. Not every day will be rosy especially overseas and against top teams, he may go for long spells without wickets and catch drops, bad luck, big partnerships, searing conditions, playing catch up (courtesy batsmen), defending moderate totals etc. 

 

Apart from the CT17 final, has Bumrah succumbed to pressure in an important match  ?   I have seen him hold his nerve in some critical limited over match situations.

 

Moreover, test matches are more about sustaining intensity over long periods rather than short term high pressure situations.

[Mosher]

56 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I wud wanna see how much ishant has improved after this county stint, he wud have improved no doubt but the question how much

 

Only improvement I saw in Ishant was vs Afghan he bowled a much fuller length and attacked the stumps more instead of bowling back of length on the 5th stump line and being "unlucky".