Say sorry to Saha

[Gollum]

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bottomline is everybody is susceptible.  We have to weigh all the options and see who could be more useful as a sum. Saha probably has a couple of years left in him assuming he is immediately coming back. At 35 we wanted even Dhoni out. 

I am not even talking about his return, his health is more important than his cricket career in my eyes. If Pant owns the spot I will be happy. My point was Saha was getting unnecessary criticism for a few isolated failures here and there. I am at peace with his career but had the feeling that he got disproportionate blame for that Cape Town fiasco. Also the myth that Karthik and Pappu are better test options than him had to be busted. Everything points towards the fact that even as a batsman Saha isn't nearly as bad as he is made out to be. His timid and reserved nature shouldn't be a reason for people having clouded judgements about his credentials.  

Edited August 2, 2018 by Gollum

[Switchblade]

10 minutes ago, UnknownGenius said:

The answer to all this is N jagadeesan

 

Quality agile keeper and excellent batsman. Not going to happen under Kohli shastri registration

 

For all you know garbage Rohit Sharma and his pot belly is practicing wicket keeping so he can make a come back and play a Mohammed shehzad role. Opening batsman and pot belly wicket keeping

I thought Kl did wicketkeeping as well is Rohit returning to the test squad as an opener and wk batsman?

[Switchblade]

19 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Entire ICF should say sorry to Dhoni. He was our best batsman in Eng 2014

He decided to retire himself in 2014 don’t miss him at all tbh.

[Gollum]

16 minutes ago, Switchblade said:

Gollum not questioning his wk skills but do you really think he can score overseas he failed in Australia and even of he played in South Africa he would have failed there he isn’t a game changer with the bat.In India things fall in place so lots of them score runs but they fail overseas.

No keeper in Indian test history has ever been a game changer overseas, especially in places like SA/Aus which have been historically toughest for our test sides. But Saha has the potential to be game changer in Lanka, WI even with the bat...in SENA countries he can average 20-25 and that is still better than our worse performing specialist batsmen. But he makes up those deficit in runs with his superior keeping

 

Something like this

Saha batting (out of 10)=4

Saha keeping=9

 

Pappu/DK batting= 4.5 (and I am being unfair on Saha here)

Keeping=6 for DK, 4 for Pappu

 

And keeping is so vital in test cricket where drops can cost 100s of runs...moreover a keeper spends 2.5 days keeping with many chances created behind stumps. 

 

[vvvslaxman]

27 minutes ago, Gollum said:

I am not even talking about his return, his health is more important than his cricket career in my eyes. If Pant owns the spot I will be happy. My point was Saha was getting unnecessary criticism for a few isolated failures here and there. I am at peace with his career but had the feeling that he got disproportionate blame for that Cape Town fiasco. Also the myth that Karthik and Pappu are better test options than him had to be busted. Everything points towards the fact that even as a batsman Saha isn't nearly as bad as he is made out to be. His timid and reserved nature shouldn't be a reason for people having clouded judgements about his credentials.  

I still don't consider Saha indispensable notwithstanding the one innings failure of Karthik.  Not even the management trusted him. They sent Ashwin above Saha. True to their judgement he was clueless. Criticism was warranted. Karthik has done well in SA and England before. He has failed in the one innings after his return. Karthik's failure in England will not make Saha a bettern batsman overseas. They are two different things. 

[beetle]

2 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Entire ICF should say sorry to Dhoni. He was our best batsman in Eng 2014

bhuvi tha.....

[Shunya]

lol...never knew Saha also has fanbois... what a tragedy

 

DK will do better than Saha...but in any case we need to move on to Pant and Kishan...lets see kismein kitna hai dum...

 

We are back to mediocrity similar to 90s and early 2000s...Lets hope we get another Dhoni...it will be hard to get

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

Saha is mentally weak, not good enough player when needed with the bat. Safe keeper though, nothing amazing. I prefer Pappu because he scores hard runs and technically sound, but I realise his keeping is poor. DK is the son of both of them, does a bit of both. Time to let Pant play or maybe Rahul as keeper...

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Entire ICF should say sorry to Dhoni. He was our best batsman in Eng 2014

As I told the other Dhoni-Bhakt on here, Prime Saha over Prime Dhoni all day, every day for away test series. 

[Temujin Khaghan]

saha played a retarded shot during the 'nearly there yet lost' first game in OZ series, after vk hit 2 tons in that game...

dont trust him since then.

[Temujin Khaghan]

why dont we just shut up and pick pant who can develop into another gilchrist in the best case scenario.

[SK_IH]

Lol OP is prime example of hyperbole regarding a middling player, Healy& Boucher comparison are hilarious

[Rasgulla]

6 minutes ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

saha played a retarded shot during the 'nearly there yet lost' first game in OZ series, after vk hit 2 tons in that game...

dont trust him since then.

Useless. Average against spinners as well while keeping. 

 

Back to 90s we go...

[Gollum]

Last thing this thread needs is Dhoni fans jumping in. That fat *er was the reason an entire generation of Indian quicks was forced to mellow down...why? Because poor old pussy couldn't take the pounding on his precious fingers. Have also seen enough of that sloth bear against the quicks and his refusal to attempt any catch beyond the range his deep rooted static feet allowed him.

 

Anybody with a functioning brain will appreciate Saha's footwork behind the stumps, for a true connoisseur of cricket there is as much beauty in it as a Kohli cover drive or Ashwin jaffa. Pity this generation of fans has relegated the subtle art of wicketkeeping to the sidelines in the quest of cheap thrills. Watching Dinesh Karthik concede some of the byes was just . Now Dinesh is more agile than Pappu/Dhoni but his refusal to follow the angle of the ball and wait till the last minute before diving in vain with both feet cemented to the ground makes me miss the genius of Saha. Watch the Australia series where he plucks out catches off Umesh's pacy deliveries flying to conventional 1st slip position, you don't even need a 1st slip with Saha as keeper truth be told. Also some of the catches he took flying towards SP and FSL off Ash/Jaddu....ordinary keepers don't even anticipate those chances. 

 

Some trolls here want to bring up his mistakes as if great batsmen and bowlers never make mistakes. But there is a difference between 1 mistake in 4 tests and 4 mistake in 1 test. Keep hating our true gems lads...bandar kya jaane adrak ka swaad. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2018 by Gollum

[sensible-indian]

Saha is an ATG wk. 

 

Just doesnt hav sample set. 

Edited August 2, 2018 by sensible-indian

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Saha is an ATG wk. 

 

Just doesnt hav sample set. 

Yup not even 100 dismissals yet.  I remember we had this guy named Sadanand Viswanath who was a very good wicket keeper. 

[zep1706]

30 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Saha is an ATG wk. 

 

Just doesnt hav sample set. 

Saha is the best Indian wicket keeper I have seen, his keeping skills are second to none. Dhoni is perhaps slightly better to spinners but overall Saha is a class apart. 

[Gollum]

Our attention by and large is fixated at just the successful catches, you also need to see how a keeper collects the ball otherwise, Saha makes it look so easy because of his fluid movement and anticipation. I don't know how he does it, may be he is just God gifted with athleticism and anticipation pertaining to the art of keeping. 

 

Remember some of his takes last year against the Lankans, apart from a couple of outstanding catches his ability to collect wayward deliveries was something I have seen no other keeper do. He didn't even need to dive for them, his footspeed reminded me of the great tennis baseliners and his anticipation was similar to that of the elite volleyers like Paes, Henman, Mischa Zverev, Feli Lopez etc.

 

The difference between him and an ordinary keeper is best illustrated in that 2nd video. Notice how he makes the adjustment for that freak ball trajectory and takes a couple of quick steps before timing his dive correctly, makes it look so easy in the end. Not just the anticipation of change in trajectory but those 2-3 nimble foot steps were so vital in taking that catch. Pappu wouldn't have even anticipated that, Dhoni wouldn't have bothered and Karthik would have dived after just one step without proper transfer of weight and cricbuzz commentary would have simply read 'ball fell short'. Saha creates chances which others don't even attempt and yet is so successful. Pappu in that 2nd SA test allowed an edge to fly between him and 1st slip and then blamed the slip catcher. It was Elgar off Bumrah IIRC and ball was going towards PP's left (natural hand)...yet out of fear of failure he didn't even make a movement towards that direction. 999 out of 1000 times (no one's perfect)  Saha would gobble such a chance up with the most economic movement. Not just PP, Dhoni has committed such blunders his whole career, in 2011 Lord's he left an easy chance fly between him and Dravid which if taken would have reduced them to 80/4.....after a while Zak limped off. Karthik despite his agility/body frame has no idea about getting into the right position, also he is such a nervous fidgety character that he fumbles the easiest of chances (hard hands, grabbing at the ball, over compensation yada yada )....he gave an exhibition of that in 2008 Lanka. Pappu gets lot of flak and rightly so, but DK's **** show there escapes scrutiny thanks to being overshadowed by Mendis' stranglehold over our famed middle order. 

 

I haven't seen enough of the youngsters but doubt we will see another Saha type pure keeper for a long time. Only people with no understanding of the game will scoff at the 2nd category of keepers, elite in their own right....crafted in the image of Alan Knott. And despite what cynics may suggest in an all time world XI, Gilchrist isn't a sure starter over Knott !!!

[SK_IH]

19 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Our attention by and large is fixated at just the successful catches, you also need to see how a keeper collects the ball otherwise, Saha makes it look so easy because of his fluid movement and anticipation. I don't know how he does it, may be he is just God gifted with athleticism and anticipation pertaining to the art of keeping. 

 

Remember some of his takes last year against the Lankans, apart from a couple of outstanding catches his ability to collect wayward deliveries was something I have seen no other keeper do. He didn't even need to dive for them, his footspeed reminded me of the great tennis baseliners and his anticipation was similar to that of the elite volleyers like Paes, Henman, Mischa Zverev, Feli Lopez etc.

 

The difference between him and an ordinary keeper is best illustrated in that 2nd video. Notice how he makes the adjustment for that freak ball trajectory and takes a couple of quick steps before timing his dive correctly, makes it look so easy in the end. Not just the anticipation of change in trajectory but those 2-3 nimble foot steps were so vital in taking that catch. Pappu wouldn't have even anticipated that, Dhoni wouldn't have bothered and Karthik would have dived after just one step without proper transfer of weight and cricbuzz commentary would have simply read 'ball fell short'. Saha creates chances which others don't even attempt and yet is so successful. Pappu in that 2nd SA test allowed an edge to fly between him and 1st slip and then blamed the slip catcher. It was Elgar off Bumrah IIRC and ball was going towards PP's left (natural hand)...yet out of fear of failure he didn't even make a movement towards that direction. 999 out of 1000 times (no one's perfect)  Saha would gobble such a chance up with the most economic movement. Not just PP, Dhoni has committed such blunders his whole career, in 2011 Lord's he left an easy chance fly between him and Dravid which if taken would have reduced them to 80/4.....after a while Zak limped off. Karthik despite his agility/body frame has no idea about getting into the right position, also he is such a nervous fidgety character that he fumbles the easiest of chances (hard hands, grabbing at the ball, over compensation yada yada )....he gave an exhibition of that in 2008 Lanka. Pappu gets lot of flak and rightly so, but DK's **** show there escapes scrutiny thanks to being overshadowed by Mendis' stranglehold over our famed middle order. 

 

I haven't seen enough of the youngsters but doubt we will see another Saha type pure keeper for a long time. Only people with no understanding of the game will scoff at the 2nd category of keepers, elite in their own right....crafted in the image of Alan Knott. And despite what cynics may suggest in an all time world XI, Gilchrist isn't a sure starter over Knott !!!

bas kar bhai, itni tareef tou Saha ke gharwale bhi nahi karte uski

[abc]

 

19 hours ago, ViruDilSeKhelo said:

Saha is mentally weak, not good enough player when needed with the bat. Safe keeper though, nothing amazing. I prefer Pappu because he scores hard runs and technically sound, but I realise his keeping is poor. DK is the son of both of them, does a bit of both. Time to let Pant play or maybe Rahul as keeper...

(Emphasis mine)

Seriously?!?! Nuff said.