Whom to blame?

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, Chandan said:

Simple question: Is he good enough to be picked as a batsman who can bat in top six, if he is the 5th bowler?

 Or is he good enough to be picked as a seamer who can bowl 20 overs per day and who is expected to take 1/4th of total wickets to fall? This is what is expected of an all rounder. What role is given to Pandya, according to you. the way he plays?

  

To bowl 10 overs, leak runs, don't take wickets and don't take blame as he is 5th bowler.

 

Don't score runs in best conditions and don't take blame because he isn't top batsman.

 

Remain a freeloader for next decade. He is India's own Afridi.

[Lannister]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

We did not lose a series in WI but we lost a chance to make 3-0.

This is same Kumble who was ultra conservative against Pakistan as a captain and lost a chance to win a test in Bangalore.

Personally I have no issues with Shastri as a coach, don’t know why people think Kumble was better.


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Shastri will always be in the shadows of Kohli because he was a much inferior player back in his days and that must be playing on his mind because, let's be honest, he has no coaching credentials and he knows pretty well that someone like Kohli will not listen to his ideas. 

 

The results are already stacking up against him, as a SA test series loss and an ODI series loss against Eng. So this is just a beginning. 

[Vk1]

On 8/5/2018 at 4:20 AM, Khota said:

You go around and around trying to make one point that at some point in time few years back Vijay did well.

 

My point is currently under the same conditions Dhawan is doing better than both Rahul and Vijay. He maybe doing marginally better but the point is he is still better. For them to show they are better they have to score more. Dhawan can do more with the bat than those two.

 

As far as catches are concerned bringing those up shows the agenda. Le us stick to batting only. If England held all the cathches Kohli would not have done well. 

 

As they say if pigs had wings they could fly too.

 

rahane is another topic so let us not bring that up.

 

20 runs vs 10 runs is apt for tailenders, not openers

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Shastri will always be in the shadows of Kohli because he was a much inferior player back in his days and that must be playing on his mind because, let's be honest, he has no coaching credentials and he knows pretty well that someone like Kohli will not listen to his ideas. 

 

The results are already stacking up against him, as a SA test series loss and an ODI series loss against Eng. So this is just a beginning. 

Did Kumble have any coaching credentials, coach always has to be in shadows of the captain otherwise he is a useless coach.Now you have become a mind reader that Kohli will not listen to Shastri.

Cricket is always about captain and it should be always about captain as wins and losses go against his name.No coach should ever hog limelight.

SA loss ??? is a big deal,Show me one overseas series in SA of which Kumble was part where India showed more fight.

 

How many test  series did Kumble as a player win in SA . England is one based on one lucky Bucknor decision and that too was three match series.You must be kidding about odi series loss.

 

Edited August 6, 2018 by putrevus

[mishra]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Really,So why did they bat second.


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Ask Kohli and Shashtri.

https://www.financialexpress.com/sports/anil-kumble-wanted-virat-kohli-to-bat-first-in-champions-trophy-final-against-pakistan-report/730706/lite/

[Khota]

13 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

20 runs vs 10 runs is apt for tailenders, not openers

I know. Drop the one with 10 rather than 20.

[Lannister]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

Did Kumble have any coaching credentials, coach always has to be in shadows of the captain otherwise he is a useless coach.Now you have become a mind reader that Kohli will not listen to Shastri.

Cricket is always about captain and it should be always about captain as wins and losses go against his name.No coach should ever hog limelight.

SA loss ??? is a big deal,Show me one overseas series in SA of which Kumble was part where India showed more fight.

 

How many test  series did Kumble as a player win in SA . England is one based on one lucky Bucknor decision and that too was three match series.You must be kidding about odi series loss.

 

The reason Shastri will not be able to perform with his job is because in reality he has no authority with in that team. Atleast the way I see it players don't respect him as a cricketer and obviously they find his ideas to be less relevant because he has not achieved anything worth in his cricketing career and on top of that, he has no coaching credentials. 

 

They have assigned him a job, that is to be a supporting voice in the media and to collect his paycheck quietly. It's the players who run the show in Indian cricket not Indian management that is filled with weak characters. 

 

If you just look at England team, Trevor Bayliss has the most authority even above the likes of Root and Cook and he is also involved with the selection committee. That should be the true role of coach as he should be handling all the off-field activities and captain should be restricted to on-field activities. 

[Straight Drive]

11 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

To bowl 10 overs, leak runs, don't take wickets and don't take blame as he is 5th bowler.

 

Don't score runs in best conditions and don't take blame because he isn't top batsman.

 

Remain a freeloader for next decade. He is India's own Afridi.

Since when are results and stats important as long as they turn up as batsmen, bowlers, wicket keeper or AR. The objective is just playing. Do batting average, bowling SR, dropped catches matter to think tank and are those anymore a criteria for international team selection? Who cares SA series was lost and England are on lead now. It's all about skills we show in our comfort zone conditions. Series wins is a number after all.

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Since when are results and stats important as long as they turn up as batsmen, bowlers, wicket keeper or AR. The objective is just playing. Do batting average, bowling SR, dropped catches matter to think tank and are those anymore a criteria for international team selection? Who cares SA series was lost and England are on lead now. It's all about skills we show in our comfort zone conditions. Series wins is a number after all.

Have we ever win a series in SA and Aus?  we didn't when we had our greatest of batsmen playing. Did those guys ever got dropped because of series or test loss?

[Straight Drive]

11 hours ago, Lannister said:

Shastri will always be in the shadows of Kohli because he was a much inferior player back in his days and that must be playing on his mind because, let's be honest, he has no coaching credentials and he knows pretty well that someone like Kohli will not listen to his ideas. 

 

The results are already stacking up against him, as a SA test series loss and an ODI series loss against Eng. So this is just a beginning. 

This could well be true. Didn't he say some commentator to shut up when Dhoni was questioned, saying something on the lines of have a look at your career first. So probably he looks at his career and compares it to that of Virat and then keeps shut realizing Virat is a better batsman than he was.

[diga]

16 hours ago, putrevus said:

Really what master plans did he Kumble have in CT finals and was he not the coach when Chase hit century to save a test in WI.

you can nitpick or accept the fact that sometimes the other team plays well... (CT final was on the backdrop of souring relations between the captain & coach)

 

As for as Kumble vs Shastri debate,  it would have been a fair comparision if Kumble would have been given a 2 year stint with full backing of the captain.. As an administrator to Karnataka, he has done wonders. 

[Chandan]

14 hours ago, rkt.india said:

All of them were injured at that point.  BK was not.  He did have injury during SA tour but he had recovered and only after that he played IPL and it is up to a player what he feels. Ashwin decided to have surgery and stayed out of IPL by choice. Same with Virat, Vijay and others.  They had visible injuries like should fracture, finger fracture, wrist issues, etc.  BK's injury has been different and it recurred.  You will never know in advance whether the injury is recurring or not.  He recovered then played IPL but it recurred again.  it is not like he played IPL with broken back or something. 

 

Like it happened with Aaron in 2012 just before Aus tour.  he had just recovered from back injury few months back but it again recurred while playing ODIs against WI.  Even if BK had rested whole IPL, he still had to play something to gauge whether his injury has healed or not or it might have even recurred mid test or tour, which is the most avoidable thing.  Think, he could not survive 4 overs in IPL and 4 overs in T20s in England, how could he have 20 overs a day test match?

So you think players can be rested only if they have visible injuries? Means until and unless they break down completely, they should be ground out? If that's the attitude, No wonder, no seam bowler lasts for India.

But it was not that way in 2017. Team management was alert and proactive in 2017. They got the players rested from IPL, but made sure they didn't lose a penny. I', sorry I can't find that article now. Matter is more than a year old. If you have time, you can find it.

Here team management was least bothered. They didn't present any case for any bowler. Bhuvi didn't wan't to lose money, hence went to play IPL. Even if he misses Ind games, he's under contract. All these need to looked by management. Who needed Bhuvi more? Test team in Eng. They should have protected him. A 2-3 months rest right after SA must have healed his niggles. If not, at least one could say, everything was tried for it!

[rkt.india]

19 minutes ago, Chandan said:

So you think players can be rested only if they have visible injuries? Means until and unless they break down completely, they should be ground out? If that's the attitude, No wonder, no seam bowler lasts for India.

But it was not that way in 2017. Team management was alert and proactive in 2017. They got the players rested from IPL, but made sure they didn't lose a penny. I', sorry I can't find that article now. Matter is more than a year old. If you have time, you can find it.

Here team management was least bothered. They didn't present any case for any bowler. Bhuvi didn't wan't to lose money, hence went to play IPL. Even if he misses Ind games, he's under contract. All these need to looked by management. Who needed Bhuvi more? Test team in Eng. They should have protected him. A 2-3 months rest right after SA must have healed his niggles. If not, at least one could say, everything was tried for it!

BK was rested after SA tour.  He recovered and then played IPL.

 

Regarding bold, there was no such thing happened.

 

Regarding him playing tests, he could not last ODI and T20s, how could he last test matches? Can you tell me?  i think it was better for Indian team that it happened before tests and in LOIs itself.  Imagine if it had happened during a test like Zak 2011.

 

SA tour ended on Feb 24, IPL started on April 9 and he did not play immediately.  it means he got almost one and a half months. after IPL too, he got a lot of time as he missed Afghan test. According to you if he had not bowled those 4 overs spread across 12 games that he played in IPL, he would have been miraculously able to to bowl 40 overs per test?

[Chandan]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

BK was rested after SA tour.  He recovered and then played IPL.

 

Regarding bold, there was no such thing happened.

 

Regarding him playing tests, he could not last ODI and T20s, how could he last test matches? Can you tell me?  i think it was better for Indian team that it happened before tests and in LOIs itself.  Imagine if it had happened during a test like Zak 2011.

 

SA tour ended on Feb 24, IPL started on April 9 and he did not play immediately.  it means he got almost one and a half months. after IPL too, he got a lot of time as he missed Afghan test. According to you if he had not bowled those 4 overs spread across 12 games that he played in IPL, he would have been miraculously able to to bowl 40 overs per test?

Did he not miss just the Nidahas Trophy after SA series, which every senior players missed? A fast bowler needs to be cared and nurtured if a country wishes a long career from him. Why do the physios declare him fit so quickly when its quite obvious that he had not recovered fully? Just like before 3rd ODI.

Had he been rested from Feb end to May end, there were more chances for him to recover fully rsther than resting for a month, then playing for 10 days, resting for a week, again playing for next week, resting for 4 days, then playing again etc.

After complete rest of 3.5 months he should have recovered completely. If NOT,ie, if those niggles would have recurred during Afg test after 3.5 months rest, then one could have said TEAM MANAGEMENT TRIED EVERYTHING. IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Here TM Didn't care!

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[Chandan]

8 hours ago, Chandan said:

 

Edited August 7, 2018 by Chandan

[Chandan]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

 

 

Regarding bold, there was no such thing happened.

 

 

It did happen. I never claim anything, if it didn't happen:

Amrit Mathur

@AmritMathur1

 

IPL contracts are insured by @BCCI,injured players pulling out fully compensated. Makes sense to sit out. Paid for not playing.#IPL2017

 

 

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[Rasgulla]

I ll blame Dhoni once again for our poor display in 1st innings. 

[flamy]

Poor captaincy from Dhoni, really

[cric_fan]

Dhawan


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