Pant 2 , MSD 0 - num of test centuries outside Asia

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, Pollack said:

I would categorise him in Indian ODI greats. That's all. He is no legend since he was average and poor in Tests and T20Is respectively, two out of three formats in his time.

How a wk who averaged 38, played 90 tests with 300 plus dismissals can be called poor. With your criteria, Gilchrist is the only legend wk/bat in the history of test cricket. Dhoni wasn't a poor test cricketer by any means. He is second only to Gilchrist as a wk/batsman. why people are judging Dhoni by parameters of a specialist batsman. He was a wk/batsman and not a specialist batsman and has done well enough to be called a legend as a wk/batsman.  It is like an alrounder who has 300 plus wickets with the ball and average of 38 with the bat batting at 7.

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

How a wk who averaged 38, played 90 tests with 300 plus dismissals can be called poor. With your criteria, Gilchrist is the only legend wk/bat in the history of test cricket. Dhoni wasn't a poor test cricketer by any means. He is second only to Gilchrist as a wk/batsman. why people are judging Dhoni by parameters of a specialist batsman. He was a wk/batsman and not a specialist batsman and has done well enough to be called a legend as a wk/batsman.  It is like an alrounder who has 300 plus wickets with the ball and average of 38 with the bat batting at 7.

Average not poor test player and poor t20 player. That's what I said. Read again.

[prasen82]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

How a wk who averaged 38, played 90 tests with 300 plus dismissals can be called poor. With your criteria, Gilchrist is the only legend wk/bat in the history of test cricket. Dhoni wasn't a poor test cricketer by any means. He is second only to Gilchrist as a wk/batsman. why people are judging Dhoni by parameters of a specialist batsman. He was a wk/batsman and not a specialist batsman and has done well enough to be called a legend as a wk/batsman.  It is like an alrounder who has 300 plus wickets with the ball and average of 38 with the bat batting at 7.

Average of 38 across 90 tests for work batsman is ATG.

 

He could not have scored in Sena but let's not discount his past accomplishments because of his current ODI form and shameless prolonging of career.

 

After Kapil, it was Sachin / drravid and then dhoni and then Kohli. 

 

Yes, he deserves to be thrown out of Indian team across all formats now, but he did help us win a lot and did perform .

[ShoonyaSifar]

Why should Pant not be asked to continue for ODIs and LOI series in NZ?

 

If he had even a decent PR guy working for him, social media would have been abuzz with this genuine demand. 

[raki05]

18 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Later on he ended up dropping sachin. Everything is excused for that 

Yes in ipl also he dropped few catches no doubt some of them would be Sachin's catches.

[beetle]

12 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Why should Pant not be asked to continue for ODIs and LOI series in NZ?

 

If he had even a decent PR guy working for him, social media would have been abuzz with this genuine demand. 

No one has a better PR than dhoni.

[Rasgulla]

6 hours ago, raki05 said:

Yes in ipl also he dropped few catches no doubt some of them would be Sachin's catches.

Smashed sachin led team to victory in 2010  Bambi on other hand couldn't win with tendiya leading. Just shows how flop of a captain tendiya is...

[Rasgulla]

4 hours ago, beetle said:

No one has a better PR than dhoni.

You are big PR for pant. 

[raki05]

4 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Smashed sachin led team to victory in 2010  Bambi on other hand couldn't win with tendiya leading. Just shows how flop of a captain tendiya is...

But we are not talking and captaincy  we are talking and run scored in overseas conditions  and it shows how mediocre  dhongi is that a 20 years old kid outscored his entire career achievement in very first year.....chi chi dub maro dhongi.. 

Edited January 6, 2019 by raki05

[Rasgulla]

5 minutes ago, raki05 said:

But we are not talking and captaincy  we are talking and run scored in overseas conditions  and it shows how mediocre  dhongi is that a 20 years old kid outscored his entire career achievement in very first year.....chi chi dub maro dhongi.. 

 You mentioned IPL and catches. Atleast read what you wrote first 20 year old won a series in Aus while tendiya won fe*k all in Aus during his 23+ years career, that says how overated tendiya was. Chi chi tendyia 

Edited January 6, 2019 by Rasgulla

[raki05]

2 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

 You mentioned IPL and catches. Atleast read what you wrote first 20 year old won a series in Aus while tendiya won * all in Aus during his 23+ years career, that says how overated tendiya was. Chi chi tendyia 

Ya i mentioned ipl so that velu and you can stop spamming this thread. However if you read OP it talks and run scored in Aus and dhongi ka to pant ne blatkar kar Diya.

Edited January 6, 2019 by raki05

[Rasgulla]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Ya i mentioned ipl so that velu and you can stop spamming this thread. However if you read OP it talks and run scored in Aus and dhongi ka to pant ne blatkar kar Diya.

Ironic you are calling him out for spamming when you are posting absolute shite yourself.  Pant ne tendiya ka blatkar kar diya 

[Yoda-esque]

He is a superstar, no question that he is more talented than Dhoni.

Just pray that he remains grounded, because there is no end to what he can achieve.

 

Goodbye Saha,DK,Parthiv,MSD

Edited January 7, 2019 by Yoda-esque

[singhprakash72]

For playing Test Pant is still not there...i.e his primary job of keeping (unless we want to compare him with PP & KDK). Saha and Dhoni were much safe and competent than Pant. For those you think he'll improve is optimistic way to look at it...since Parthiv and Karthik have have proved otherwise after keeping for 15 yrs. 

Coming to his batting definitely he is better than Saha (but still lacks temperament ...ugly hoicks & moving ball will test him like any other bat ) but Dhoni was complete package (at his peak) so overall he is not even 50% of Dhoni. 

So ironically I would prefer him playing in T20 or ODI while Dhoni/Saha still in Test.

[Laaloo]

7 minutes ago, singhprakash72 said:

For playing Test Pant is still not there...i.e his primary job of keeping (unless we want to compare him with PP & KDK). Saha and Dhoni were much safe and competent than Pant. For those you think he'll improve is optimistic way to look at it...since Parthiv and Karthik have have proved otherwise after keeping for 15 yrs. 

Coming to his batting definitely he is better than Saha (but still lacks temperament ...ugly hoicks & moving ball will test him like any other bat ) but Dhoni was complete package (at his peak) so overall he is not even 50% of Dhoni. 

So ironically I would prefer him playing in T20 or ODI while Dhoni/Saha still in Test.

 

 

[singhprakash72]

57 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

 

 

i hope to see similar reaction when he will miss some sitters in coming matches

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, singhprakash72 said:

i hope to see similar reaction when he will miss some sitters in coming matches

Yeah sitters as if dhoni never dropped any catches when he first started. Everyone has praised pants keeping in England and Australia apart from cricbuzz paid thalaiva stooges. And I don't even want to argue your other points about pants batting. You call pant a hack but dhoni is the Messiah of test batting lol lol. Dhoni to these days is still below average against pacers. He used to select trundlers so his hands can breathe. And the only reason he has less dropped catches is because he never used to go for most of those 50/50 catches.

[singhprakash72]

If you remember my posts I am not a fan of Dhoni (infact I still want him out of ODI/T20) but facts are facts ...Dhoni to best of my knowledge rarely dropped sitters (at least in Test) he was ugly but did the job ..Saha was the best in terms of keeping skill. Dhoni's main weakness was he wouldn't go for catches in 1st slip but  his keeping to spinner was exceptional.

If you want to set low standards for keeping and have a keeper who can slog the tired bowlers on flat pitch then Pant is your guy and I am not saying drop him but he needs to know his keeping is still needs a lot of work.

Please please don't put him in chana ke jhaad mein. He still has long way to go before he can be compared to Gilly Boucher Dhoni or even Bairstow 

[Laaloo]

8 hours ago, singhprakash72 said:

If you remember my posts I am not a fan of Dhoni (infact I still want him out of ODI/T20) but facts are facts ...Dhoni to best of my knowledge rarely dropped sitters (at least in Test) he was ugly but did the job ..Saha was the best in terms of keeping skill. Dhoni's main weakness was he wouldn't go for catches in 1st slip but  his keeping to spinner was exceptional.

If you want to set low standards for keeping and have a keeper who can slog the tired bowlers on flat pitch then Pant is your guy and I am not saying drop him but he needs to know his keeping is still needs a lot of work.

Please please don't put him in chana ke jhaad mein. He still has long way to go before he can be compared to Gilly Boucher Dhoni or even Bairstow 

Pant made more runs in one series than Dhoni ever did. Pant is not a hack. He has proper shots unlike dhoni. You do realize most of dhonis innings he played were when he had nothing to lose  as the match was already done.and just started hacking away. I can't believe you're putting dhoni with Boucher and gilly. You clearly have not seen pant bat. Most of his wickets on this tour was because he attacked. He has very compact batting. The ball hardly beats the bat. I can't believe you think dhoni was a good batsman. Come on now. You can't be serious. His keeping is fine. Yeah he drops some catches but nowhere near like the pappus and karthiks. They are not even in the same stratoshphere. Pant will have a better career in tests and T20s than Dhoni. Dhoni is not that high of a bar. Pant just has to prove now in South Africa. He has already proven he's better than Dhoni was in England or Australia.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Laaloo