India cap is not cheap- players like Dube devalue it

[SK_IH]

Sometimes class is visible in a player, even he is not scoring big. This guy is plain ugly to watch and some people have the audacity of comparing him with Yuvi lol

[Global.Baba]

4 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Only a handful of Indian players can come in and start hitting 6s. Dube is one of them. I do hope we persist with him, adds more value to the team than say someone like Manish Pandey.

 

His batting positions in 7 batting innings has been 6, 7, 6, 3, 5, 5, 3. Good luck with developing young players when you keep shuffling  them every single match.

You need to be a quality batsman to do that. Do you think Dube could be trusted in a super over scenario where the best bowler from opposition is bowling? 
 

Rohit Sharma,Iyer,Rahul can all hit 6’s. Kohli when set can find boundaries at will against quality bowling. Do you think Dube can be trusted?

 

No one questions Iyer,Shaw,Samson but there is nothing called a specialist allrounder. As a batsman or a bowler you need to adapt to all scenarios and situations. Dube doesn’t  come across as someone who can be trusted.

 

At least TM found Pandya a worthy gamble with the new ball or death at times, Dube isn’t.

 

Can Dube Be trusted to make a back to the wall 100 in say a 60/4 kind of situation? Don’t think so.

 

Even his fielding is mediocre compared to other bits and pieces guys like Pandya bros and Jadeja

[bowl_out]

On ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 12:47 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Shankar n dubey dont fight for same spot

 

Shankar is more of 4-5 position batsman which is taken , Shankar cant come n start smashing from ball-1 

Dube at 6-7 which has vacancy 

 

Bowling wise i dont see much diff , shankar bowling at this stage wud be better coz he has played a lot of FC as compare to Dubey

Still they played Shankar at 6 in the India-A matches against NZ.. that looked so stupid playing Shankar at 6 and SKY at 4

[bowl_out]

5 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Ok disagree with you. He seems a worthless inclusion in the side at the moment. With Virat's impatience, he may not get any more games in this tour as well and rightly so I think.

I'd rather he gets both games to truly show what he is capable of... That way the TM sees enough of him to discard or persist.

[sandeep]

4 hours ago, bowl_out said:

Still they played Shankar at 6 in the India-A matches against NZ.. that looked so stupid playing Shankar at 6 and SKY at 4

Its a combination of seniority thing, as well as giving Sky a proper chance at the A level.  Shankar has played A tours before and will do so going forward, SKY is older, and this is his first A tour, fair to give SKY a proper audition, and allow him the chance to show what he can do.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, bowl_out said:

Still they played Shankar at 6 in the India-A matches against NZ.. that looked so stupid playing Shankar at 6 and SKY at 4

its fine in A-cricket as they make player bat in diff situation which is good for them in future 

[Frustrated]

Too early to judge a youngster.  Remember when Stokes started playing initially, he wasn't the same bowler nor the same batsmen (of today).  How braithwaite took him for a ride in the 2016 t20 final, when he could not defend 20 odd runs in one over. 

[vishalvirsingh]

12 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

You need to be a quality batsman to do that. Do you think Dube could be trusted in a super over scenario where the best bowler from opposition is bowling? 
 

Rohit Sharma,Iyer,Rahul can all hit 6’s. Kohli when set can find boundaries at will against quality bowling. Do you think Dube can be trusted?

 

No one questions Iyer,Shaw,Samson but there is nothing called a specialist allrounder. As a batsman or a bowler you need to adapt to all scenarios and situations. Dube doesn’t  come across as someone who can be trusted.

 

At least TM found Pandya a worthy gamble with the new ball or death at times, Dube isn’t.

 

Can Dube Be trusted to make a back to the wall 100 in say a 60/4 kind of situation? Don’t think so.

 

Even his fielding is mediocre compared to other bits and pieces guys like Pandya bros and Jadeja

This guy is very talented as a batsman.. Hitter like Yusuf pathan n a trundler.. Medium pacer. 

If he improves his bowling a bit... His batting will improve automatically. 

[putrevus]

Bowling was never his strong point.Question is/was can he hit fast bowling, he is tall but gangly.I don't see the bat speed needed to hit fast bowling.He faced two relatively modest fast bowlers yesterday but looked out of sorts.

 

It is just one match, I would play him in next two matches too to find out more about him.

[VT87]

Dubey looks way taller than what wiki suggested. It says he is only 1.83cm but here  is significant difference between him and Iyer who is labelled as 1.78cm

[SUMO]

I wont discard his batting as of now, want to watch in ODIs with 20-25 overs to go. 
I think he is more than just Leg side hoicks bcz I have seen him in A tours. He was fairly consistent.
Right now in T20s he feels obliged to go bang on from first ball, being underconfident he banks on his bread and butter shot only.

[Vickydev]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

Bowling was never his strong point.Question is/was can he hit fast bowling, he is tall but gangly.I don't see the bat speed needed to hit fast bowling.He faced two relatively modest fast bowlers yesterday but looked out of sorts.

 

It is just one match, I would play him in next two matches too to find out more about him.

His bat speed suffers because of his stance i think. He plays with a stationary bat held high ( don't know what the technical term for this is ) and just swings from there. There is no fluid motion in his backlift which affects his timing and bat speed. He has to rely on brute power to hit the big shots rather than on timing. In the A games it was not so much the case. I think it's down to being wary of the extra pace and short ball perhaps. 

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, VT87 said:

Dubey looks way taller than what wiki suggested. It says he is only 1.83cm but here  is significant difference between him and Iyer who is labelled as 1.78cm

 

Heights found on the net are usually incorrect for Indian cricketers and state them as shorter by 2 to 5 inches than they actually are.

 

Dube is 6'4" or 6'5".

 

Iyer is 6'1" or thereabouts.

[ganeshran]

No way Dubey is 6'5. He would tower over almost all our players except lambu if he was that tall. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, ganeshran said:

No way Dubey is 6'5. He would tower over almost all our players except lambu if he was that tall. 

 

He does.

[ganeshran]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

He does.

He is tall but he isn't 6.5 that sort of height difference is very obvious. Ishant is 6.4 or 6.5 and Dubey isn't as tall as ishant 

[Vilander]

8 hours ago, VT87 said:

Dubey looks way taller than what wiki suggested. It says he is only 1.83cm but here  is significant difference between him and Iyer who is labelled as 1.78cm

he has a couple of inches on Nehra, he is atleast 6'3, the pic below although the angle and his cap makes him look 6'5+ he is clearly 6'3 at the least.

 

 

 

Edited January 30, 2020 by Vilander

[Vilander]

For comparison but this pic probably has even angle. Nehra is probably 6'2

 

Edited January 30, 2020 by Vilander

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, VT87 said:

Dubey looks way taller than what wiki suggested. It says he is only 1.83cm but here  is significant difference between him and Iyer who is labelled as 1.78cm

when i was younger i once got measured by a mallu aunty ( not that kind) during one of my physic examinations( not that kind) she was a nurse ( not that kind damn) she saw the scale and told me i am 181cm as she could not clearly see the number from where she was , i then showed it again and it was 189 so my records read right from then. may be some of our guys dont bother.

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, Vickydev said:

His bat speed suffers because of his stance i think. He plays with a stationary bat held high ( don't know what the technical term for this is ) and just swings from there. There is no fluid motion in his backlift which affects his timing and bat speed. He has to rely on brute power to hit the big shots rather than on timing. In the A games it was not so much the case. I think it's down to being wary of the extra pace and short ball perhaps. 

That stationary load position with bat held high was made famous by Gooch, it helps in dealing with short pitch bowling better and also imparts more power to ground strokes.But is this guy waiting for people to bounce him and that is the reason he is holding his bat like that?I have not seen enough of him to make that judgement.

 

But this guy is weird as you correctly pointed out there is no fluidity in his strokes.

 

Even with all the protection in the world playing short ball takes courage and you need to have proper technique.He is 26 and he has just played 11 FC matches, where was he all this time?