Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, Cricwala said: Don't want to get into an unnecessary argument here. I said 'keep gill in the mix' - hv him compete with Iyer for No. 4, it's not like Iyer has completely locked down that spot. Thats a diff thing my issue was we cant go in a match with only 5 bowling option. im all up for keeping gill in squad Just now, Cricwala said: If someone thinks Jadhav is a solution to any role whatsoever in this team, then i really don't have much to discuss. i didnt say he is solution ....i want him out I meant that jadhav n gill dont compete for same spot . jadhav competes with less players so for him its easier then gill Link to comment
Khota Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: DK wasnt a specialist bat ??? the guy came back on piling on runs in domestic . DK gets back on his batting only....his keeping is not much to talk about. Isnt pant ahead of many youngsters on his batting skills ?? Dhoni record is as good as any ATG batsman when has jadhav made runs in such matches, didnt he play in CT final n flopped Rayudu has never been abale to play pace n bounce n that day it was jagging around , saala ipl men behrendoff to khela nhin jaa rha tha lockie fergueson khelta wo . Rohit n kohli cudnt what chance do others have who arent even half a batsman as they are. All it takes is one ball to dismiss a batsman Sometimes the top fails but the middle order picks up the slack. They wasted time on Shankar and crap instead of sticking with Raydu and jadhav. Those two would have delivered a W. Link to comment
adi B Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, SK_IH said: WC semis is one of my biggest disappointments as an Indian fan. Virat was main reason of the debacle, lol at inner ego. Score some runs when it matters for once instead of this bakchodi. As expected from the choker ,only big talks but no action ! Anushka has moulded him pretty well and you can see it in these interviews Edited November 27, 2019 by adi B Suhaan and SK_IH 2 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 16 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: not saying Jadhav would have won the game for sure. But he was an experienced campaigner who was so critical in winning the first bilateral series in AUS for us just before the world cup , that too chasing a huge target. So he was a far better choice than that hack Kartik upon whom this dumb ass captain relied upon.Jadhav's inclusion in the eleven would have made a huge influence in the fortunes for India. This , especially Kohli being well aware of the fact that the 2nd phase of the tournament will in general be low scoring affairs. Khota 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: not saying Jadhav would have won the game for sure. But he was an experienced campaigner who was so critical in winning the first bilateral series in AUS for us just before the world cup , that too chasing a huge target. So he was a far better choice than that hack Kartik upon whom this dumb ass captain relied upon.Jadhav's inclusion in the eleven would have made a huge influence in the fortunes for India. This , especially Kohli being well aware of the fact that the 2nd phase of the tournament will in general be low scoring affairs. Yes, certainly was a better choice than kartik but the dumbest decision was sending Dhoni after Pandya and kartik. Kartik had barely played 10 deliveries in the WC. Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 All this just to boost his media image. His words never reflect in his decision making. If he really is hurt by at the WC, we would have a different approach in LOIs post the WC. But nothing has changed, same old batting heavy top 3 even vs BD, WI and randomly benching younger players. Keep repeating this - TM has zero vision and zero planning, for the its all about short term goals and stats padding. Norman, Jimmy Cliff and Cricwala 1 2 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said: All this just to boost his media image. His words never reflect in his decision making. If he really is hurt by at the WC, we would have a different approach in LOIs post the WC. But nothing has changed, same old batting heavy top 3 even vs BD, WI and randomly benching younger players. Keep repeating this - TM has zero vision and zero planning, for the its all about short term goals and stats padding. spot on. This is his real intention. To play both Rahane & , Pujara against the minnow BAN in the 2nd test despite being 1-0 up emphatically sums up Kohli's intentions. Any captain with a minimum sense or concern w.r.t long term interest would have rested both of them in 1 match each and given chance to another rookie say Gill or Vihari or even 'Pant as pure batsman' Edited November 27, 2019 by rtmohanlal Cricwala 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: Yes, certainly was a better choice than kartik but the dumbest decision was sending Dhoni after Pandya and kartik. Kartik had barely played 10 deliveries in the WC. To send in Kartik & Pandya to do the role of damage controlling ( typical Dravid like role) proves a lot about the levels of tactical sense(lack of it) this guy posses. To make captain aware of these crucial matters, an ever alert coach is required, not an oppertunist drunkard sleepy cheer leader. Cricwala 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said: All this just to boost his media image. His words never reflect in his decision making. If he really is hurt by at the WC, we would have a different approach in LOIs post the WC. But nothing has changed, same old batting heavy top 3 even vs BD, WI and randomly benching younger players. Keep repeating this - TM has zero vision and zero planning, for the its all about short term goals and stats padding. When Kohli plays in LOIs, it's all about him. No one is fail safe and his failures in knockouts have proved that. Better he learns. putrevus 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said: To send in Kartik & Pandya to do the role of damage controlling ( typical Dravid like role) proves a lot about the levels of tactical sense(lack of it) this guy posses. To make captain aware of these crucial matters, an ever alert coach is required, not an oppertunist drunkard sleepy cheer leader. yup that was the problem Damage control is better suited to dhoni since he loves wasting balls and thats what was needed at that time Kartik is better for situation where he has to go for runs without thinking to much N both were send in exact opp situation. Infact had they kept at 7 opp wud have been under pressure something like hardik is yet to come n target isnt that big Cricwala 1 Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 19 hours ago, Cricwala said: Sorry, doesn't wash...there have been umpteen examples of talented players initially being fitted anywhere in batting order, and after few years moving to their preferred spot. Gill has played some decent knocks for KKR at 4 & 6 positions too. Gill didn't contribute much for KKR at No. 6. They sent him to open and he came up with some good knocks. If Gill was interested in trying out for the No. 4 position, he would be playing at that position for Punjab. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: yup that was the problem Damage control is better suited to dhoni since he loves wasting balls and thats what was needed at that time Kartik is better for situation where he has to go for runs without thinking to much N both were send in exact opp situation. Infact had they kept at 7 opp wud have been under pressure something like hardik is yet to come n target isnt that big Another big mistake was the dropping of Rayudu . Yes ...agreed Rayudu was never a long term solution but despite this being the era of flat tracks in general, it is not that all batsmen would be more or less equally at ease in all countries.When it comes to Rayudu w.r.t this, his track record in ENG has been so good in every sense so that he shouldn't have got dropped for any thing. To play Pant,Kartik & Pandya in a low scoring(bowler friendly) chase while avoiding Rayudu & Jadhav!!!!!!!! How much more senseless can a captain get??? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Another big mistake was the dropping of Rayudu . Yes ...agreed Rayudu was never a long term solution but despite this being the era of flat tracks in general, it is not that all batsmen would be more or less equally at ease in all countries.When it comes to Rayudu w.r.t this, his track record in ENG has been so good in every sense so that he shouldn't have got dropped for any thing. To play Pant,Kartik & Pandya in a low scoring(bowler friendly) chase while avoiding Rayudu & Jadhav!!!!!!!! How much more senseless can a captain get??? dropping rayudu wasnt a mistake but picking him again when it was proven in 2015 that he struggles against pace n bounce , he wasnt a long term but a wrong player itself his record in england is due to a not out innings i think plus we have thread on his misfield which were a lot rayudu was dancing against behenrdoff a month ago in indian condition in ipl , imagine on that pitch Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Batting order was *ed up but the real miss was Shami. He was the difference between chasing 240 and 150 odd. Champ was in their heads, destroyed their top order for fun in the NZ series a few months back to get MOS, More importantly at the same venue (Manchester) he wrecked the WI team a couple of weeks back...4/16 !!!! Dropping Shami for that SF was the greatest selection blunder in India's ODI history. speedheat, Cricwala, Stan AF and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment
Khota Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: not saying Jadhav would have won the game for sure. But he was an experienced campaigner who was so critical in winning the first bilateral series in AUS for us just before the world cup , that too chasing a huge target. So he was a far better choice than that hack Kartik upon whom this dumb ass captain relied upon.Jadhav's inclusion in the eleven would have made a huge influence in the fortunes for India. This , especially Kohli being well aware of the fact that the 2nd phase of the tournament will in general be low scoring affairs. You cannot have three wkt kprs in a crucial match and expect a W. Both Jadhav and Raydu were far batter choices than Kartik/Pant/Dhoni all playing at the same time. This site has so many biases that they cant see straight. Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I am a kohli supporter .. Appreciate his confidence. Appreciate his aggressive captainship. Appreciate his support of fast bowlers and not like ms...who was a great captain for spinners, he used to beat opponents using spinners. Appreciate his batting skills. Rcb messing up has little to do with him as a team requires good batting, bowling fielding and wicket keeping. Except him no other batsmen stood up, bowlers..only one or 2 bowlers bowled well. Bcos he is too good he doesn't need a coach who is his boss. Current coach is his chamcha and that's fine as kohli is smarter and more strategic than him. Yep he is selfish but who is not selfish Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 16 hours ago, Gollum said: Batting order was *ed up but the real miss was Shami. He was the difference between chasing 240 and 150 odd. Champ was in their heads, destroyed their top order for fun in the NZ series a few months back to get MOS, More importantly at the same venue (Manchester) he wrecked the WI team a couple of weeks back...4/16 !!!! Dropping Shami for that SF was the greatest selection blunder in India's ODI history. I agree but I think ravi would have taken that call(to play bhuvi ahead of shammi) Link to comment
R!TTER Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 22 hours ago, rkt.india said: Yes, certainly was a better choice than kartik but the dumbest decision was sending Dhoni after Pandya and kartik. That was not dumb, Dhongi has been playing like that his entire career. Except for the very first year, he has hid behind Yuvraj, Raina & then Kohli for his success. And while statistically he might be the second best chaser after Kohli, I don't remember a time when he has not needed the non striker to close out big chases! Link to comment
Stan AF Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Boo hoo. Another pathetic PR stunt. Edited November 28, 2019 by Stan AF Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said: I agree but I think ravi would have taken that call(to play bhuvi ahead of shammi) U think shastri has any say Few mnths ago he said we ll have diff teams in t20 n odi Kohli goes in selection committee n almost same team is selected Link to comment
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