Play the SL T20s without Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

Are Kohli and Rohit overworked and need rest.If answer is no then there is zero need for them to rest.

Because we need to try youngsters. None of these is getting younger.

Edited December 19, 2019 by rkt.india

[Lannister]

Their whole legacy is built on bashing teams in bilaterals. They wouldn't want want to miss out on easy runs against a minnow on flat home tracks.

 

Come the ICC tournaments, the hacks will keep getting humiliated. 

[R!TTER]

Just imagine if SRT didn't decide to rest in the series vs SL in 2008, there would be no Brat to discuss 

[Ajju]

No they ll miss atleast 1 century if so

[raki05]

Br@ndu and  G@ndu (Bewra) will ensure Gabbar is back just to piss you all off.

[putrevus]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Because we need to try youngsters. None of these is getting younger.

Try youngsters for what spots?? Say we tried youngsters for top 3 and all of them are very successful in this series, what happens next.Will you keep playing them at top three spots or shift them to middle order when Rohit and Kohli return.

 

Dhoni was tried in top order when he was coming up but he was part of team , he was not replacing any senior in the team.

 

This T20 and odi team has weak spots which need to be filled, find youngsters who fit those roles not rest Kohli and Rohit and try to create a problem when it is not there.

 

How is it fair for any player to play three matches and then kicked out of the team

Edited December 19, 2019 by putrevus

[ganeshran]

Do it in ODIs now. T20s after the world cup. 

[putrevus]

What is this insane need to find replacement for players who have atleast 4 plus year of career left.There are very big holes for this team in few spots, try youngsters for those roles.

 

This strategy of finding players for spots which are already filled does not make this team stronger.

[beetle]

It won't happen.

Big boys won't miss the lollipop series.

 

 

[Frustrated]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

What is this insane need to find replacement for players who have atleast 4 plus year of career left.There are very big holes for this team in few spots, try youngsters for those roles.

 

This strategy of finding players for spots which are already filled does not make this team stronger.

Exactly.  The TM is giving proper chances to youngsters viz Iyer, Pant , Sundar , Chahar, Dube etc in t20 format.  There is no need to experiment by replacing all 11 players at a time.   That would be stupidity.   Some ICFers are just too impatient unnecessarily. 

[putrevus]

27 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Exactly.  The TM is giving proper chances to youngsters viz Iyer, Pant , Sundar , Chahar, Dube etc in t20 format.  There is no need to experiment by replacing all 11 players at a time.   That would be stupidity.   Some ICFers are just too impatient unnecessarily. 

That is the problem for some people , players who are not playing are always better than players playing in the team.

[ShoonyaSifar]

We have ‘rested’ Kuldeep, Chahal, Bumrah, Shami for so many T20 matches. If bowlers can be rested/rotated, why can’t these senior batsmen, playing T20s for 10+ years, be rested for an inconsequential series.

 

Laughable to read excuses like what if their replacements do well etc. That’s precisely the point. Play a young team in LOIs and they will do almost equally well as the team with seniors. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

What is this insane need to find replacement for players who have atleast 4 plus year of career left.There are very big holes for this team in few spots, try youngsters for those roles.

 

This strategy of finding players for spots which are already filled does not make this team stronger.

If BCCI in mid to late 2000s had thought the same, Rohits and Kohlis would not have started playing when they were 18-19.

 

Level of insecurity is the only insanity on display here.

[prudent_kreeda]

20 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

We have ‘rested’ Kuldeep, Chahal, Bumrah, Shami for so many T20 matches. If bowlers can be rested/rotated, why can’t these senior batsmen, playing T20s for 10+ years, be rested for an inconsequential series.

 

Laughable to read excuses like what if their replacements do well etc. That’s precisely the point. Play a young team in LOIs and they will do almost equally well as the team with seniors. 

    Another important thing to consider , WC in 2023   3.5 years  away.

    Dhawan - already 34 ,  Kedar -35  and both injury prone , rohit nearing 33 looks  not in good shape.  They will be 36-38 range by WC .

    Do you think these will  be at their peak in 2023 ?.

    Check any  great player and his performance around this age . they will be loosing their edge by that time . 

    Hence very critical you find at least 3 openers and give them 30+ matches before WC so that you have 3 openers ready . 

      If rohit is in great form even  in 23,  please play him , but should have back ups ready. 

      Why this  simple fact is not getting noticed , fail to understand. 

      Lets look at the scenario -   You play these players for another 3 years , then you find out that they are not performing upto the mark , but   you still play them hoping they will come back to heir best past form but its not happening . Its almost 6 -8 months to go for WC.

       What you do now ?   Go for guys who have not even played 10-15 matches ?

      Also factor in  fielding standards with these 36-38 years old.  

          

Edited December 19, 2019 by prudent_kreeda

[ShoonyaSifar]

23 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

    Another important thing to consider , WC in 2023   3.5 years  away.

    Dhawan - already 34 ,  Kedar -35  and both injury prone , rohit nearing 33 looks  not in good shape.  They will be 36-38 range by WC .

    Do you think these will  be at their peak in 2023 ?.

    Check any  great player and his performance around this age . they will be loosing their edge by that time . 

    Hence very critical you find at least 3 openers and give them 30+ matches before WC so that you have 3 openers ready . 

      If rohit is in great form even  in 23,  please play him , but should have back ups ready. 

      Why this  simple fact is not getting noticed , fail to understand. 

      Lets look at the scenario -   You play these players for another 3 years , then you find out that they are not performing upto the mark , but   you still play them hoping they will come back to heir best past form but its not happening . Its almost 6 -8 months to go for WC.

       What you do now ?   Go for guys who have not even played 10-15 matches ?

      Also factor in  fielding standards with these 36-38 years old.  

          

Great points. If Kohli Shastri had their way, their 2023 WC team will look like

Rohit (36), Dhawan (37), Kohli (35), Jadhav (37), Dhoni (41), Jadeja (34), Ashwin (36), Bhuvi (32), Shardul (32), Chahar (31). Iyer (28), Pandya (29) and Bumrah (29) could be the only under 30 players in the squad.

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

If BCCI in mid to late 2000s had thought the same, Rohits and Kohlis would not have started playing when they were 18-19.

 

Level of insecurity is the only insanity on display here.

Nobody is asking not play 18-19 year olds.All we are asking is play them in the roles which are needed for the team.Rohit was played because there was an opening in middle order.Kohli made his debut as an opener.Did 18 year old Rohit Sharma replace Sachin tendulkar as an opener in 2007.That is what you are asking TM to do.How exactly replacing Rohit with Gill or Shaw in this T20 series going to solve middle order problem.

 

It is your level of insanity which on display.

Edited December 19, 2019 by putrevus

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 hours ago, putrevus said:

What is this insane need to find replacement for players who have atleast 4 plus year of career left.There are very big holes for this team in few spots, try youngsters for those roles.

 

This strategy of finding players for spots which are already filled does not make this team stronger.

Dhawan , shami, jadhav none has 4 yrs left...u start the process now when 3-4 yrs are left so youngsters get 30-40 games exp. U cant take youngsters in WC with less then 10 games experience. 

18 hours ago, putrevus said:

Try youngsters for what spots?? Say we tried youngsters for top 3 and all of them are very successful in this series, what happens next.

3rd opening slot for t20 is to be taken infact soon it shud be open for odi considering dhawan age. 

Shaw vs samson for t20...how do u decide without trying and u cant take them without game time.

18 hours ago, putrevus said:

Willyou keep playing them at top three spots or shift them to middle order when Rohit and Kohli return.

U cant think only of Xi....a good team always have backups ready

18 hours ago, putrevus said:

 

This T20 and odi team has weak spots which need to be filled, find youngsters who fit those roles not rest Kohli and Rohit and try to create a problem when it is not there.

 

How is it fair for any player to play three matches and then kicked out of the team

Coz they end up winning u 80% of games which gives 1 in 10games for youngsters to to learn to play in pressure game. Indian team will only be stronger of these guys get enough exp to win without those 2. These are the series we need to try that for. Aussie did this so well during their domination era.

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 12/18/2019 at 11:56 PM, putrevus said:

Are Kohli and Rohit overworked and need rest.If answer is no then there is zero need for them to rest.

yes rohit is overworked....apart from WI test series he pretty much has played all and scored a mountain of runs. That can sometimes be mentally exhausting 

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes rohit is overworked....apart from WI test series he pretty much has played all and scored a mountain of runs. That can sometimes be mentally exhausting 

Are you his manager or family to know that fact. If he needs a break, he will take it.You don't have tell him.He knows his body better than you.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, putrevus said:

Are you his manager or family to know that fact. If he needs a break, he will take it.You don't have tell him.He knows his body better than you.

For ur info he has been asking rest in past few series or are u his his physio to say he is not overworked