Who was the bigger loss - Irfan or Munaf?

[retired_hurt]

I was Irfan fanboy and really heartbroken with his sudden decline. Still don't know what caused his downfall? May be lack of a bowling coach? Because he was still performing better under Moody in IPL.

 

Munaf was just lazy, didn't want to put the extra work needed to bowl fast. It was infuriating to see him bowl at 80 miles per hour when he could have been a tearaway fast bowler.

 

I was disappointed with VRV Singh as well. Had all the ingredients for succeeding as a fast bowler but somehow never developed. 

 

Who do you think was a bigger loss for Indian cricket?

[Khota]

Munaf.

 

Irfan was not guided properly. He was hit by the all rounder disease that is prevalent in India. He was an excellent bowler and that is all he should have concentrated on but he started batting etc. and never could solidify any position.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Ill say irfan.....he cud have given us the balance we needed for years and we settled for jadeja who was the biggest fraud with bat in ODI 

The nonsense of loosing batting coz of his bowling was hilarious. He lost his bowling becoz of poor fitness n constant action change ....and IPL did make him comfortable in life, he use to get unfit before every domestic season n fit before IPL in last few years. Their were many reports of his poor attitude as well during gary kirsten era, infact even Pune owner said he was very disappointed with his attitude. Once vikrant gupta told this story that when chappell took him for help to andy roberts in 2006 tour he was like who is he to teach me . Even Wasim akram who helped him in earlier days wasnt happy with him in during that phase 

 

Neways all that Aside for me Irfan was the bigger loss then munaf as munaf lost it quite early...irfan even during his struggle made contribution such was his value 

[Ajju]

Varoon Aroon

[Sooda]

Important to remember that for all the unfulfilled potential both these guys are world cup winners, had very good careers

 

Don't think either were lazy

 

 I felt with Munaf that because he came to cricket late in life , and he was never a natural athlete, he simply didn't have the body to sustain that pace that he showed in his first year of international cricket. He did well to forge a long enough career as a McGrath-lite . 

 

Irfan, was the bigger loss though, looked a potential world beater as a bowler when he first came through, then briefly the best odi all rounder in the world under Chappel. Sad case of what could have been. Would be interesting to know how and why he lost his bowling mojo.

[SK_IH]

With due respect to Irfan on his retirement, he was always a minnow basher in tests and a one trick pony in ODIs. The least he could have done was become versatile in ODIs ala Bracken for Aus but he nosedived post 2006.

 

Munaf, I thought was never fit enough to sustain intl cricket regularly. But kudos to him, he was part of a WC winning squad.

 

Sreesanth was the biggest loss. What an idiot. He destroyed his career himself though.

Edited January 4, 2020 by SK_IH

[ungboysj]

Irfan didnt loose it he was never good enough he never had any bounce or venom

He was just a military medium swing bowler who atmost could have been a useful odi bowler

Munaf was dumb and has actually done well considering his humble background

Edited January 4, 2020 by ungboysj

[Suhaan]

I would have traded Irfan for Munaf anyday , specially for Munaf when he first burst onto the screen,he was a genuine quick ,looked a great talent ,had the ability to get reverse swing with old ball at high pace in his early days

On the other hand Irfan was a swing bowler with batting potential,so he was condition dependent

Munaf to me, if continued with his same pace would have been an India great atleast

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Suhaan

[Sooda]

47 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ill say irfan.....he cud have given us the balance we needed for years and we settled for jadeja who was the biggest fraud with bat in ODI 

The nonsense of loosing batting coz of his bowling was hilarious. He lost his bowling becoz of poor fitness n constant action change ....and IPL did make him comfortable in life, he use to get unfit before every domestic season n fit before IPL in last few years. Their were many reports of his poor attitude as well during gary kirsten era, infact even Pune owner said he was very disappointed with his attitude. Once vikrant gupta told this story that when chappell took him for help to andy roberts in 2006 tour he was like who is he to teach me . Even Wasim akram who helped him in earlier days wasnt happy with him in during that phase 

 

Neways all that Aside for me Irfan was the bigger loss then munaf as munaf lost it quite early...irfan even during his struggle made contribution such was his value 

Interesting anecdotes about his attitude, any sources, I can't find any links to it on the net

 

 

Even the stories about him and Roberts talk about Roberts helping Irfan with his run up.

I always thought he worked hard and if anything his attempt to build muscle and gain pace caused him problems. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, Sooda said:

Interesting anecdotes about his attitude, any sources, I can't find any links to it on the net

 

 

Even the stories about him and Roberts talk about Roberts helping Irfan with his run up.

I always thought he worked hard and if anything his attempt to build muscle and gain pace caused him problems. 

 

Andy roberts was from vikrant gupta so i have to find that video from whole sportstak channel thats to much of work

 

Pune owner was also an interview during 2nd season of their team. 

 

Problem is they dont take names but give hints like blind item ....hints were enough to make out its irfan but useless for a google search. 

 

Had he worked hard he wont have lost it so badly....i understand lack of guidance but still in his last part he was bowling below 120k and he was i think around 28-30 yr that time.  Infact he lost his batting n fielding to completely ....there u cant even blame lack of guidance

 

U can see with guys like umesh and ishant that they worked hard with fitness , they also lacked guidance in intial days but didnt loose fitness. Take nehra g ....was bowling around 140k till end despite having so many issues with body.

Irfan , sreesanth , rp , munaf lacked guidance but they had their own issues to. I feel same was issue with yusuf, bhajji, rp singh, uthappa, chawla specially when in IPL came these guys became lazy hence they didnt grew. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, retired_hurt said:

I was Irfan fanboy and really heartbroken with his sudden decline. Still don't know what caused his downfall? May be lack of a bowling coach? Because he was still performing better under Moody in IPL.

 

Munaf was just lazy, didn't want to put the extra work needed to bowl fast. It was infuriating to see him bowl at 80 miles per hour when he could have been a tearaway fast bowler.

 

I was disappointed with VRV Singh as well. Had all the ingredients for succeeding as a fast bowler but somehow never developed. 

 

Who do you think was a bigger loss for Indian cricket?

Munaf patel issue somewhat can be blamed on chappell as him n his biomechanist those days cant remember his name asked munaf to cut his pace n follow mcgrath style and munaf being lazy made it worse. 

 

For me RP n sreesanth were bigger losses, RP was very good in intial t20 wc and then in ipl for deccan chargers, did well in aus n eng test series to. Sreesanth on other hand has one of the best outswing which had the biggest of biggest batsman in trouble. In those days had sreesanth, ishant, rp progressed well we wud have done way better in overseas. 

[retired_hurt]

27 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Munaf patel issue somewhat can be blamed on chappell as him n his biomechanist those days cant remember his name asked munaf to cut his pace n follow mcgrath style and munaf being lazy made it worse. 

 

For me RP n sreesanth were bigger losses, RP was very good in intial t20 wc and then in ipl for deccan chargers, did well in aus n eng test series to. Sreesanth on other hand has one of the best outswing which had the biggest of biggest batsman in trouble. In those days had sreesanth, ishant, rp progressed well we wud have done way better in overseas. 

I don't know how much credit can be given to Venkatesh Prasad, but RP Singh's best performance came under him. Agreed about Sreesanth as well but I believed if groomed, VRV Singh would have been our enforcer. Would clean out the tail cheaply, which we always struggled with.

[raki05]

None..

[Ankit_sharma03]

26 minutes ago, retired_hurt said:

I don't know how much credit can be given to Venkatesh Prasad, but RP Singh's best performance came under him. Agreed about Sreesanth as well but I believed if groomed, VRV Singh would have been our enforcer. Would clean out the tail cheaply, which we always struggled with.

Ishant coach blamed venky i guess...

But i think in case of rp he got lazy n gained weight. I dnt remember him having wrist position or action issue

[Nikhil_cric]

I think RP was a better talent than either . Munaf was much older than stated age and Irfan was reasonably gifted in all facets of cricket but not exceptional in any. 

 

[The Realist]

Munaf Patel did well to play any international cricket given that he was in his mid-30s when he "debuted". Throw in abysmal fitness levels, non-existent athleticism and the classic "accompany the ball to the boundary" fielding it was a miracle he managed to play any cricket consistently. 

[vvvslaxman]

Most definitely Irfan. He was almost good enough to purely qualify as a batsman.  Lost his bowling action Ganguly overused him at a very early age.  There was one test (he was 19) he bowled 44 overs. Balaji bowled 33 overs. He started losing pace and action. Nobody was there to guide him.

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Most definitely Irfan. He was almost good enough to purely qualify as a batsman.  Lost his bowling action Ganguly overused him at a very early age.  There was one test (he was 19) he bowled 44 overs. Balaji bowled 33 overs. He started losing pace and action. Nobody was there to guide him.

Which test was this ?

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Which test was this ?

Lahore Test. He even made 49 with bat.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15062/scorecard/64082/pakistan-vs-india-2nd-test-india-tour-of-pakistan-2003-04

Edited January 5, 2020 by vvvslaxman

[gakgupta]

Irfan's main strength was late inswing to right handers....
With in 2 years is his intl career, he totally lost this wonderful skill...
From what i remember, he was trying to increase his speeds which was around 128k to 133k ( avg of 129k).His body was very fragile and it couldn't take it. Happened same to Bhuvi.
Moreover, with this efforts to increase the speed, he lost his wrist position which was key to his late inswings.
And also, he was a very smart bowler and understands his limitations very well

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