Sehwag feels India had greater clarity under Dhoni

[nevada]

Sehwag believes despite his dazzling show Rahul might not able to save his position in the middle order if he fails in the next few outings. “If KL Rahul fails four times batting at No 5, the current Indian team management will look to change his slot. However, same wasn’t the case with Dhoni, who knew how important it is to back players at such positions, having himself gone through the hard grind,” Sehwag told Cricbuzz. Known for his swashbuckling style of play and fearless approach – Sehwag said that there was greater clarity about team selection when MS Dhoni was the captain.

"With MS Dhoni as captain, there was greater clarity with regards to each player’s position in the batting unit. He had an eye for talent and had identified individuals who would take Indian cricket forward,” Sehwag added. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by nevada

[zen]

The current players are under more pressure for their place. Before I go into my opinion,  I would like to point out a few things about past:

• The "identified" talent pool was relatively small 
• The gap b/w domestic and international was greater
• Captains understood that if they had an ATG talent like Sehwag, he had to be persisted with when new 
• The competition for spots was less intense 
• The pressure to win every game was less 

 

Today, we can understand the rotation because of the improvements we have made over the years. However, it looks ridiculous when you are a top batsmen, bowler or a WK, and you get injured/rotated only to find your place unsecure. There should be some policy where:

• Players feel secure about their positions and roles
• Youngsters (Under 27) esp if they have been fast tracked to international cricket should be given a relatively longer run
• Before a series, it should be planned who plays in which games (to avoid confusion and unnecessary competition) and the info communicated to the players esp. if everyone is being rotated. This would also depend upon the length of the series and the position Ind is in. For e.g.  In a 3 match series. if Ind is 2-0 (or 0-2) xyz will come in place of abc in game 3. if Ind is 1-1, that change may not happen or will happen depending upon situation. Such initiatives would give clarity to both those in the 11 and on the bench  

 

 

 

[Khota]

I have no idea what Sehwag is talking about. Rahul position is very secure. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Khota

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Khota said:

I have no idea what Sehwag is talking about. Rahul position is very secure. 

Sehwag is using KL (in a hypothetical situation) as an example to make a larger point!

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, nevada said:

Sehwag believes despite his dazzling show Rahul might not able to save his position in the middle order if he fails in the next few outings. “If KL Rahul fails four times batting at No 5, the current Indian team management will look to change his slot. However, same wasn’t the case with Dhoni, who knew how important it is to back players at such positions, having himself gone through the hard grind,” Sehwag told Cricbuzz. Known for his swashbuckling style of play and fearless approach – Sehwag said that there was greater clarity about team selection when MS Dhoni was the captain.

"With MS Dhoni as captain, there was greater clarity with regards to each player’s position in the batting unit. He had an eye for talent and had identified individuals who would take Indian cricket forward,” Sehwag added. 

bingo.....

yup all these unsettled players are always 4-5 failures away from being chopped n changed ....

RCB ki bhi yahin kahani

These rules dont apply to dhawan, rohit which is why their perfomances havent been affected

[nevada]

28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

bingo.....

yup all these unsettled players are always 4-5 failures away from being chopped n changed ....

RCB ki bhi yahin kahani

These rules dont apply to dhawan, rohit which is why their perfomances havent been affected

Spot on! Kohli has less patience than some impatient ICFers. 

[New guy]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

I have no idea what Sehwag is talking about. Rahul position is very secure. 

If his position was secure they wouldn't try to force him to keep. Only reason they are forcing him to keep is because they cannot drop rahul after his performances and because kohli wont drop dhawan

[Straight Drive]

I thought Seniors did not like Dhoni considering he phased them out citing fielding as one fo the reason which did not please previous seniors. Surprised to know Sehwag is appreciating Dhoni. Thought he would back Kohli just for that.

[Ankit_sharma03]

26 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

I thought Seniors did not like Dhoni considering he phased them out citing fielding as one fo the reason which did not please previous seniors. Surprised to know Sehwag is appreciating Dhoni. Thought he would back Kohli just for that.

sehwag post retirement has always said he was dropped coz he wasnt making runs and his fitness was dropping, check all his interviews 

he also mentioned he wanted to retire long back

 

infact he has been very critical of kohli's chopping n changing

[Straight Drive]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

sehwag post retirement has always said he was dropped coz he wasnt making runs and his fitness was dropping, check all his interviews 

he also mentioned he wanted to retire long back

 

infact he has been very critical of kohli's chopping n changing

That what i said but differently. Fielding was getting affected by fitness or lack of agility of some senior players at that point of career.

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

That what i said but differently. Fielding was getting affected by fitness or lack of agility of some senior players at that point of career.

More than feilding batting went downhill due to age factor. If we give so much weightege to feilding than kohli along with few other indian player should drop themselves the way they drop catches in test matches.

[The Dark Horse]

Yeah Dhoni never gave chances to new players..so it's like a government job..more clarity

[Straight Drive]

2 hours ago, The Dark Horse said:

Yeah Dhoni never gave chances to new players..so it's like a government job..more clarity

Government job is what I would apply even after retirement. It s as good as retired life.

[Straight Drive]

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

More than feilding batting went downhill due to age factor. If we give so much weightege to feilding than kohli along with few other indian player should drop themselves the way they drop catches in test matches.

Yes, it was an overall decline. But from what I remember, think fitness issues and fielding was given as reason in some press statement.

[SK_IH]

28 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Government job is what I would apply even after retirement. It s as good as retired life.

Offtopic but do not talk about something you might be knowing zilch about. 

[Khota]

5 hours ago, New guy said:

If his position was secure they wouldn't try to force him to keep. Only reason they are forcing him to keep is because they cannot drop rahul after his performances and because kohli wont drop dhawan

Both Dhawan and Rahul need to play. Asking KL to keep is injustice and will affect him negatively.

[Khota]

8 hours ago, zen said:

Sehwag is using KL (in a hypothetical situation) as an example to make a larger point!

I see. But if anyone fails four consecutive times (including Kohli) they need to be benched.

[zen]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

I see. But if anyone fails four consecutive times (including Kohli) they need to be benched.

Here Sehwag is talking about players trying to adjust in a new batting position .... Also it is not as simple as making blank statements as itt . depends upon the stage a player is in for e.g. experienced vs. someone who is new .... and options available 

Edited January 21, 2020 by zen

[jusarrived]

I have seen half a dozen indian captains , we always had issues with 1-2 questionable selections , there was always a captains favorite ..but 8-9 players always picked themselves . What Virat is doing is criminal .

 

Pujara - survived , though cant forget he was dropped for Rohit in WI . it could have easily destroyed his career. 

Vijay - screwed royally , again dropped for his buddy when he was arguably the best opener . 

KL - barely surviving , dropping him in SA when he was in form for a proven test failure Dhawan . 

Kuldeep 

Pant 

Rahane - you dont pick Rohit sharma ahead of Rahane in a away test match . 

Vihari  - hes going out soon .

Karun Nair - 300 and out 

samson - 6 and out ? 

 

I may have missed few other players , not necessarily i think all of them are great or even good players but the way they have been handled is really unfortunate . I know a few years later people will forget , they will just pull stats ..VJ for eg , you will never know how well he played in those away test matches and should have cemented his place for 2 years at least with those performances . 

 

 

 

 

[Forever Indian]

1 hour ago, jusarrived said:

I have seen half a dozen indian captains , we always had issues with 1-2 questionable selections , there was always a captains favorite ..but 8-9 players always picked themselves . What Virat is doing is criminal .

 

Pujara - survived , though cant forget he was dropped for Rohit in WI . it could have easily destroyed his career. 

Vijay - screwed royally , again dropped for his buddy when he was arguably the best opener . 

KL - barely surviving , dropping him in SA when he was in form for a proven test failure Dhawan . 

Kuldeep 

Pant 

Rahane - you dont pick Rohit sharma ahead of Rahane in a away test match . 

Vihari  - hes going out soon .

Karun Nair - 300 and out 

samson - 6 and out ? 

 

I may have missed few other players , not necessarily i think all of them are great or even good players but the way they have been handled is really unfortunate . I know a few years later people will forget , they will just pull stats ..VJ for eg , you will never know how well he played in those away test matches and should have cemented his place for 2 years at least with those performances . 

 

 

 

 

A couple other names to add:

Siraj - Played in T20s and thrown out even though he was selected on basis of longer format performance

Iyer - Dropped previously even after performance and now being thrown around in batting order