Middle Muddle for India and Australia T20 side

[Ankit_sharma03]

Both teams are kind of struggling with same issue , great top 3 and great bowling attack but the middle muddle isnt helping them and neither sticking to same combination as ODI cricket 

 

India Top 3 is looking good but the threat of Shikhar dhawan selection still looms overs

 

1.  Problem of No.4- India as of now has the answer in Iyer i think aussie will also soon look at marnus . But another problem India has is they are considering pandey at no 5 which makes this a team of slow starters- Rohit,kohli, iyer, Manish, Jaddu. Jaddu is **** thorugh out t20 game with bat and rahul also drops guard in middle overs
2. Carrey and pant - both havent added much value to t20 side as they have done in BBL n IPL. But India has Kishen, samson, DK and rahul and aussies have Phillipe and wade .....but they both shud still back them for some time. 
3. Maxwell and Pandya lack of impact- Maxwell is himself to blame and pandya case is he hardly gets any balls to bat in t20 becoz of slow starters in team . In 40 t20s pandya has just faced 210 balls which means on avg 5 balls a game thats it .....shows how we have wasted him. 
4. Jadeja and Agar - both are more suited to ODI then t20 
5. T20 options 
   India- DK,Pant, SKY needs to be looked at and given time
   Aus- also need to look at daniel sams, wade, phillipe 

 

 

Same problem, Same mindset ...unless they change their mindset next year t20 wc will be a contest between WI and ENG

[coffee_rules]

In Rahul we trust

[cricketfan28]

Who is SKY?

[Vickydev]

We have fixed it somewhat in ODIs with Rahul dropping down but it still remains a massive issue for T20s, lucky to win the NZ series earlier this year. Iyer though quality, is not a great starter especially for the position he bats at, Pandey doesn't have the big shots, Dube has been a flop, Pant's game has been messed with, DK who is perhaps the best MO batsman in the country, has been thrown to the wolves because of the 50 over wc....The situation is an absolute mess.

One of Rohit/Kohli has to bite the bullet and bat in MO to fix this and let Shaw and Rahul open. Others who could be tried : Rana, SKY, maybe even a shout out for Gurkeerat Mann.

[Norman]

39 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

Who is SKY?

Surya Kumar Yadav. 

[maniac]

Please no SKY. That is like taking 1 step forward and 3 steps back. The guy is a bonafide hack but a good hack decent for IPL but not international quality. Another Kedar Jadhav.

 

However he should be rewarded a couple of throw away games to see how he adapts just like Kedar deserved his shot even though he is actually much better than SKY in all areas. If Dube and co got a chance then he deserves it but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. 

[zen]

My line up at the moment 

 

Gill/Shaw

KL

Kohli

Iyer

Pandya

Rana

Pant

[cricketfan28]

We need muscle power in the middle ,  somebody by yusuf pathan.

[zen]

58 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

We need muscle power in the middle ,  somebody by yusuf pathan.

Do you mean his kids 

[SecondSlip]

3 hours ago, maniac said:

Please no SKY. That is like taking 1 step forward and 3 steps back. The guy is a bonafide hack but a good hack decent for IPL but not international quality. Another Kedar Jadhav.

 

However he should be rewarded a couple of throw away games to see how he adapts just like Kedar deserved his shot even though he is actually much better than SKY in all areas. If Dube and co got a chance then he deserves it but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. 

How do you rate Nitish Rana? Do you believe he’s good enough to be in our T20 team?  

[cricketfan28]

2 hours ago, zen said:

Do you mean his kids 

yes, he is too old.

[maniac]

3 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

How do you rate Nitish Rana? Do you believe he’s good enough to be in our T20 team?  

Sure for T20 can be tried like how England play their C teams in irrelevant games, but here is the thing, where will he fit?

 

I think he is a middle order bat, we already have similar players like Pandey who is a notch above him and Iyer who is a couple of notches above him and Gill who i think will be at worst a 2nd tier ATG for us.  

 

I don’t rate him against short pitch bowling. In IPL once in a while he can play out the good ones and cash in against pie bowlers and nothing wrong with that, smart cricket is good but don’t think he has a slot right now in the main scheme of things. He will be found out.

Edited September 5, 2020 by maniac

[Khota]

Wait till IPL is over. The better players will shine and they will be the core of the team hopefully.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, maniac said:

Please no SKY. That is like taking 1 step forward and 3 steps back. The guy is a bonafide hack but a good hack decent for IPL but not international quality. Another Kedar Jadhav.

 

However he should be rewarded a couple of throw away games to see how he adapts just like Kedar deserved his shot even though he is actually much better than SKY in all areas. If Dube and co got a chance then he deserves it but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. 

How wud u knw unless u try .i have my concerns about sky and rana but they need to be tried . U cant have iyer , pandey, rohit , kohli, jadeja in same batting all slow starters .

Aussies are doing same mistake playing odi lineup in t20. 

Give them a try if they dont work move on to next set of players but u need to try right players for t20.

T20 skills are diff , quality batsman or bowler in longer formats doesnt mean guarnteed success in t20 - look at dhoni ,dhawan, rahane, jadeja, shami....all have struggled in t20. T20 is about hacks only, u dnt need technically sound players. 

 

A pool of right player for every format shud be made and they shud be tried one after another. 

 

Rana , sky both can be tried in lower order...india lacks players who can score quickly in last few overs. Strangely we have also discarded dk n pant. 

 

Also jadhav didnt do bad at all infact did well in whatever ability he cud. Wasnt a fan of him but he did well. Not all players have to be top players , some have to be key contributors. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

24 minutes ago, Khota said:

Wait till IPL is over. The better players will shine and they will be the core of the team hopefully.

yea right , as if IPL hasnt given false hopes regd some players . IPL doesn't guarantee international t20 success 

• Dhawan
• Rahane
• Dhoni 
• Rayudu 
• Shaun marsh 
• Lynn 

are best xamples who have struggled in international t20s big time. Dhawan n Rahane has costed india 2 t20 Wcs

 

Where as a successful t20 players like Finch has clearly struggled in IPL

[Gollum]

DK should be a permanent starter in T20 team, one of the rare guys who can hit from ball one, ideally he should come only in the last 5-6 overs for max impact. Now he has been dropped cos of failing at #4 (1st 10 overs ) in an ODI WC semi, makes no sense. A MO trio of Pant, DK, Pandya is bloody good. 

 

KLR

Rohit

Kohli

Pant

Pandya

DK

Gopal

Chahar/Bhuvi

3 bowlers (Saini, Bumrah, Kuldeep?)

 

Back up options:

Shaw as opener

Gill for Kohli

Iyer

Krunal/Sundar for Gopal

 

How is this not a potential WC winning team?

Edited September 6, 2020 by Gollum

[Lone Wolf]

DK has been good for us but I'd like to see Rana & SKY in that role..  I hope both of them had a stellar IPL....  Rana was close last time..  Played a freak inns vs RCB last year..  Matched Russell shot by shot..  Outshined Kohli's ton in that game.  But Uthappa had done so much damage that KKR lost & that freakish inns was forgotten.  I hope he gets to play at no 4 this time to unleash his full potential coz last year he was literally wasted. 

Edited September 6, 2020 by Lone Wolf

[Khota]

15 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea right , as if IPL hasnt given false hopes regd some players . IPL doesn't guarantee international t20 success 

• Dhawan
• Rahane
• Dhoni 
• Rayudu 
• Shaun marsh 
• Lynn 

are best xamples who have struggled in international t20s big time. Dhawan n Rahane has costed india 2 t20 Wcs

 

Where as a successful t20 players like Finch has clearly struggled in IPL

Which WC are you talking about? Is it the one in which your hero did not score any and his name is missing from the list.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Which WC are you talking about? Is it the one in which your hero did not score any and his name is missing from the list.

which hero ?

dhawan n rahane have messed up 2014 n 2016 t20 wcs

[cricketfan28]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Which WC are you talking about? Is it the one in which your hero did not score any and his name is missing from the list.

Who?