coffee_rules Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Chakka Jam Bharat Bandh tomorrow. Doodh tak nahin milega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Gollum and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 1:49 PM, Singh bling said: Bihar abolished APMC act in 2006 and they are getting much lower price than Punjab or Haryana. Why corporate's are not paying better price? In USA and Europe there is open market and numbers of farmers are declining while land holding increasing along with heavy subsidy. The fact is farming with small land holdings in economically unviable . Unless india has big industrial revolution , government has to give subsidy in form of msp or inputs. yeah but Maharashtra is thriving. As Maharashtra farmers get more from trade, want MSP out https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/agri-business/why-section-of-farmers-in-maharashtra-want-to-get-rid-of-msp/article32860865.ece Dont just pick and chose states. In case of Bihar MSP was only in name. Procurement infra was and remains poor. There are several factors which suggest that MSP is not the only criteria. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/bihar-procurement-at-snails-pace-farmers-forced-to-sell-paddy-much-below-msp-7093413/ I also think for the time being MSP needs to be maintained. But its just more efficient over time to give farmers say Rs50,000 per acre say by 2030 and remove all subsidies. This direct cash transfer method is the best option. BacktoCricaddict 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Aise hote hain protests in India dial_100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 One of the most comprehensive analyses I have read on this topic. There are so many complexities and does not lend itself easily to simplistic, non-expert opinions or solutions. We will be doing a disservice to farmers by framing it simply as a Hindu-Sikh-BJP-Congress issue. This is an economic, not cultural, problem. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/farm-bills-boon-bane-ram-kaundinya/?trackingId=AkMFq%2BFRQSiUnDBkauURdA%3D%3D It would be beneficial to read the whole article before commenting on this issue. Here is an excerpt. Quote The agricultural marketing reforms brought about by the government through two new laws and an amendment to the existing Essential Commodities Act are in the right direction. These are over due and should have come 20 years back. When Late Prime Minister Shri PV Narasimha Rao, assisted by his Finance Minister Dr Manmohan Singh, brought about path breaking reforms in Indian economy in 1991, those reforms did not touch the agriculture sector. Farmer continued to be shackled through mandated selling of his produce through the APMC mandis which made his price discovery poor and his profits low. So, when the new reforms give him the freedom to sell anywhere he likes why is there so much of protest? Lack of consensus building efforts Looking at the politics that are playing out now in response to the liberalization of the agricultural marketing system brought about by the current government, we can appreciate the enormous effort the then Prime Minister Shri PV Narasimha Rao and his team made to build consensus among several groups within their own party and across party lines. The reforms of 1991 were of much greater magnitude but the effort that was made to carry the stakeholders by taking them into confidence was really praiseworthy. Lack of such an effort, in the present context, to build consensus and ‘to sell’ the farm reforms to stakeholders like states, farmers organizations and opposition parties has resulted in the current protests by the Punjab, Haryana and Western UP farmers and the stand being taken by different opposition parties around the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Aise hote hain protests in India How do we know they weren't paid INR 500 to say that they are being paid INR 350 to protest? Whom can we trust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Sometimes I wonder, despite all these snakes and traitors living in and thriving how India even exists, not for years, decades but centuries. Gotta be some blessings. Hey Paramatma kripa banaye rakhana. diga, raki05, randomGuy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I think government should consider some provisions in the farm bill to accommodate farmers concerns and also FFS communicate better. From Notbandi to GST, from 370 to CAA and now Farm bill, government has very pathetic communication. It should be firm, clear and timely communication on policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: How do we know they weren't paid INR 500 to say that they are being paid INR 350 to protest? Whom can we trust? For person who grew up in 70s, 80s, you should know that these protests and riots are engineered and funded by political culture of Congress diga, raki05 and Gollum 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: For person who grew up in 70s, 80s, you should know that these protests and riots are engineered and funded by political culture of Congress But it is important to note that, behind the political smoke, there are some real issues that farmers have with the new bills and the government has not done a very good job of engaging with them. Farmers are the victims here and are being exploited for political gain. It is still not too late to win their trust, solve their problems, and make the Congress even less relevant than it is today. Let's not let the political religious divisions lead us away from real issues. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said: How do we know they weren't paid INR 500 to say that they are being paid INR 350 to protest? Whom can we trust? Covid economy. Rates down Edited December 7, 2020 by mishra randomGuy and diga 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: But it is important to note that, behind the political smoke, there are some real issues that farmers have with the new bills and the government has not done a very good job of engaging with them. Farmers are the victims here and are being exploited for political gain. It is still not too late to win their trust, solve their problems, and make the Congress even less relevant than it is today. Let's not let the political religious divisions lead us away from real issues. Forget major economies like US or China, even Pakistani origin Rice, Flour, Lentils, vegetables, spices are atleast 40-50% cheaper then Indian counterparts. Quality is issue but that doesn’t means the difference should be that much. Just for Indians here on forum, current rate for 10kg Pakistani origin Basmati costs £10-£15 while superior Indian ones cost £20-£30. Be competetive else over produce will have no buyers. Edited December 7, 2020 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 5 hours ago, G_B_ said: yeah but Maharashtra is thriving. As Maharashtra farmers get more from trade, want MSP out https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/agri-business/why-section-of-farmers-in-maharashtra-want-to-get-rid-of-msp/article32860865.ece Dont just pick and chose states. In case of Bihar MSP was only in name. Procurement infra was and remains poor. There are several factors which suggest that MSP is not the only criteria. Maharashtra farmers are also protesting in solidarity Farmers across nation break language barriers, join protest https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/farmers-across-nation-break-language-barriers-join-protest/story-3twZii8vdQhSP9FNVr95NK.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) Ravi Sutlej tehzeeb. After Jai Bheem Jai Meem, it is now Jai Kisaan, Jai Ameen Edited December 8, 2020 by coffee_rules Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Ravi Sutlej tehzeeb. After Jai Bheem Jai Meem, it is now Jai Kisaan, Jai Ameen Long live Sikh-Muslim unity, so heartwarming. Maybe the anti-CAA resolution in Punjab assembly had popular mass support. We must respect the wishes of our Sikh brothers and exclude them from CAA so that their friendship with Muslims isn't compromised. Namaaz is even offered in Golden Temple And in Gurdwara Shish Ganj Sahib (martyrdom site of Guru Tegh Bahadur) they have removed Aurangzeb's name from the hoarding to appease Muslims. Now no one ordered the beheading of their Guru. Edited December 8, 2020 by Gollum speedheat, Laaloo and coffee_rules 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rkt.india Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 15 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: But it is important to note that, behind the political smoke, there are some real issues that farmers have with the new bills and the government has not done a very good job of engaging with them. Farmers are the victims here and are being exploited for political gain. It is still not too late to win their trust, solve their problems, and make the Congress even less relevant than it is today. Let's not let the political religious divisions lead us away from real issues. There is hardly any issue. All bills have been made after consulting kisan unions. All these unions protesting now were in favour of these bills suddenly want them repealed completely. Bhartiya Kisan Union was tweeting about agricultural reforms in their tweets last year are now against it. Why such change suddenly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, rkt.india said: There is hardly any issue. All bills have been made after consulting kisan unions. All these unions protesting now were in favour of these bills suddenly want them repealed completely. Bhartiya Kisan Union was tweeting about agricultural reforms in their tweets last year are now against it. Why such change suddenly? No, IMO, Only solution is let state Governments decide what to do and how to implement this act. Punjab Haryana and parts of UP has effective Mandi System which is not same as rest of India. It should be made optional and let states take a call. If you are taking away MSP, which in my personal opinion is right thing so that our farms and farmers become more competetive globally, Just like rest of world, farming should be subsidized /free farming seeds, Urea, electricity, water etc where new law takes effect. @Singh bling what you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, mishra said: No, IMO, Only solution is let state Governments decide what to do and how to implement this act. Punjab Haryana and parts of UP has effective Mandi System which is not same as rest of India. It should be made optional and let states take a call. If you are taking away MSP, which in my personal opinion is right thing so that our farms and farmers become more competetive globally, Just like rest of world, farming should be subsidized /free farming seeds, Urea, electricity, water etc where new law takes effect. @Singh bling what you think? They are not taking away MSP, but have not said that in writing. Put it in writing and let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: They are not taking away MSP, but have not said that in writing. Put it in writing and let it go. No, Government should have thought about the Bil more carefully, Every country in world is supporting its farmers to be more productive by giving subsidies while Modi minister is asking to reduce cost without some sops. There should be massive sops given to farming wherever MSP needs to be removed so that state governments are put under pressure by farmers themselves and West should be complaining that Indian Farmers are having unfair advantage. GoI should treat Farming as Industry which needs support Edited December 8, 2020 by mishra Cricketics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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