Popular Post Tridibans_16 Posted December 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2020 Kohli is arguably India's best batsman atm. Has a stellar record in Australia and as a leader of the team, he is bound to be missed..... or will he be missed? I think his leave is a blessing in disguise in the current set-up. Even his ardent followers will agree that his word is the Final say in team selection and strategies on/ off the field. He often selects (to the detriment of the team) as per his "gut feeling" or "hunch" and Shastri is just an yes man to him. The less said about his ego or aggression (good or bad is arguable) the better. Rahane not only brings calmness and stability, he is known to be an apt tactician at this level. Even his contemporary players in domestic circle will vouch for his cricketing acumen. Further, for youngsters, I feel Rahane will prove to be a better captain than Kohli as the latter is too instinctive and often chops and changes his attack/ team at the slightest hurdle when things are going awry. tweaker, Norman, mishra and 8 others 3 1 7 Link to comment
Khota Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 This only proves one point that you cannot have one man doing all three formats. Giving everything to Kohli is a disaster. Banton, Stan AF and Tridibans_16 3 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Utter nonsense, you cannot take a ATG like Kohli out and think your team has become stronger. SA did the same thing with ABDV when they won in Australia. Look where has that led to SA. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Khota said: This only proves one point that you cannot have one man doing all three formats. Giving everything to Kohli is a disaster. The problem is no one has the balls to relieve him of captaincy in 1 or 2 formats. Ideally he should probably only stick to T20s Over the last few years even watching him field or lead in tests has been a royal pain in the ass, he does look like someone who won't step down unless he's dropped from the team - that IMO is the biggest issue right now! Banton, Tridibans_16, helperononline and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Khota Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, R!TTER said: The problem is no one has the balls to relieve him of captaincy in 1 or 2 formats. Ideally he should probably only stick to T20s Over the last few years even watching him field or lead in tests has been a royal pain in the ass, he does look like someone who won't step down unless he's dropped from the team - that IMO is the biggest issue right now! He is not the team. Someone should politely ask him to pick one format and the management picks captains for other two formats. Anyone who could get Kumble replaced by Shastri needs to be cut down to size. Banton, mishra, nevada and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
Tridibans_16 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, putrevus said: Utter nonsense, you cannot take a ATG like Kohli out and think your team has become stronger. SA did the same thing with ABDV when they won in Australia. Look where has that led to SA. You misunderstood my point! Read it again. I said he is India's best batsman presently. He is an automatic selection in the test team. My point is, AT THE VERY MOMENT, with all the turmoil (Sharma controversy, his paternity leave, 36 a.o, etc ) his captaincy would have been too rigid for the betterment of the team. This short break will be beneficial in the short term, that is, this particular series. Banton 1 Link to comment
Tridibans_16 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, putrevus said: Utter nonsense, you cannot take a ATG like Kohli out and think your team has become stronger. SA did the same thing with ABDV when they won in Australia. Look where has that led to SA. Further, I personally believe if you are leaving anyway (by the way I support him for his paternity leave), its better to let the stand-in captain to take over for as much time as possible to gel well with the team and plan for tactics and strategies for the whole series. But I get the argument against this point as well, that if Kohli plays, he cannot be accommodated as a batsman as he is too big a player (read his EGO) to play as just a captain. Banton 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 No captain can defend 36 all out, and we want a guy like Rahane who has scored 12 100s in 65 plus tests to be captain. Are you kidding?You need to earn your place in the team first. Let Rahane do something for whole series for once in his career then we can revisit the issue. Link to comment
Jamadagni Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I think people are going overboard with Kohli hate. We could have had 120+ lead in the first test had that Paine's catch was taken by Agarwal, and would have won the match easily from there on (pretty sure 36 all out would not have happened in that case). Having lost the first test, Australia would have been more motivated to win the second one to make it 1-1. Then the very you would be making threads about "Should BCCI have granted leave for Kohli?". Cricketics and Norman 1 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, putrevus said: Utter nonsense, you cannot take a ATG like Kohli out and think your team has become stronger. SA did the same thing with ABDV when they won in Australia. Look where has that led to SA. Yes you can. Banton, sorak, Adamant and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment
Tridibans_16 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, putrevus said: No captain can defend 36 all out, and we want a guy like Rahane who has scored 12 100s in 65 plus tests to be captain. Are you kidding?You need to earn your place in the team first. Let Rahane do something for whole series for once in his career then we can revisit the issue. Ok so now drop Rahane and bring in the other better players away from home like Shaw or Sharma or Rahul..... Oh wait Khota and Banton 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jamadagni said: I think people are going overboard with Kohli hate. We could have had 120+ lead in the first test had that Paine's catch was taken by Agarwal, and would have won the match easily from there on (pretty sure 36 all out would not have happened in that case). Having lost the first test, Australia would have been more motivated to win the second one to make it 1-1. Then the very you would be making threads about "Should BCCI have granted leave for Kohli?". This has nothing to with hate. It is about equitable distribution of work load. Banton and Tridibans_16 1 1 Link to comment
Tridibans_16 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, putrevus said: Utter nonsense, you cannot take a ATG like Kohli out and think your team has become stronger. SA did the same thing with ABDV when they won in Australia. Look where has that led to SA. Look at SA in todays match. Faf is playing as a batsman with QDK the captain. Imagine Kohli leaving captaincy and letting someone like Gill have it down the line...... Yes, thats what, unimaginable Banton, Khota and sorak 3 Link to comment
Tridibans_16 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jamadagni said: I think people are going overboard with Kohli hate. We could have had 120+ lead in the first test had that Paine's catch was taken by Agarwal, and would have won the match easily from there on (pretty sure 36 all out would not have happened in that case). Having lost the first test, Australia would have been more motivated to win the second one to make it 1-1. Then the very you would be making threads about "Should BCCI have granted leave for Kohli?". No one is hating Kohli man..... You are missing the point Khota, Banton and sorak 3 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tridibans_16 said: You misunderstood my point! Read it again. I said he is India's best batsman presently. He is an automatic selection in the test team. My point is, AT THE VERY MOMENT, with all the turmoil (Sharma controversy, his paternity leave, 36 a.o, etc ) his captaincy would have been too rigid for the betterment of the team. This short break will be beneficial in the short term, that is, this particular series. 36 all out is utterly shameful, Rahane was part of that 36 allout too and before assessing anything can we wait for some positive result first. Last time I checked India had lead in first innings in last test match also. Link to comment
Tridibans_16 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Khota said: This has nothing to with hate. It is about equitable distribution of work load. So true.... I don't know where are people finding hate in this..... Kohli is not the best Test captain we had. He has done nothing special to be compared with Ponting or Waugh or Smith..... As a player, well its a different matter altogether. Khota, express bowling and Banton 3 Link to comment
Tridibans_16 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, putrevus said: 36 all out is utterly shameful, Rahane was part of that 36 allout too and before assessing anything can we wait for some positive result first. Last time I checked India had lead in first innings in last test match also. I know, and we can very well lose this match.... But the point remains, with 2 debutants, Best batsman missing, one of the best opening bowlers injured, we are in this position. Players perform for their captains apart from obviously their own careers. Why would an youngster like Gill or Pant or Siraj perform for a captain who will whisker away their test positions after 1 or 2 failures? Forever Indian, Banton, Khota and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, putrevus said: Utter nonsense, you cannot take a ATG like Kohli out and think your team has become stronger. SA did the same thing with ABDV when they won in Australia. Look where has that led to SA. The so called strength the ATG was giving to the side was getting neutralized by his stupid captaincy. That is evident to everyone who has seen the team play without him on multiple occasions. We may still go onto lose this test and get thrashed in the series but I'm glad to see Rahane rising to the challenge. From now on, on captaincy, TINA will never be an option. The ATG will be shamed into resigning from his post or risk getting sacked if he continues to treat team india as his personal fiefdom. diga, Banton, Norman and 3 others 2 2 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tridibans_16 said: So true.... I don't know where are people finding hate in this..... Kohli is not the best Test captain we had. He has done nothing special to be compared with Ponting or Waugh or Smith..... As a player, well its a different matter altogether. I love Kohli but I love Indian team more. It is not fair to give responsibility to him for all three formats. You need to develop others. If not you will get a Dhoni like cult following. Tridibans_16, Banton, Norman and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment
Popular Post Forever Indian Posted December 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) Kohli is and will be always a Average captain in Tests and Bad captain in LOIs. His LOIs captaincy we all know is down to him being bad at strategizing and various other reasons, but will give my thoughts on Tests for now. Tests Chopping and changing: Kohli is someone who will take responsibility as a batsman and will expect other players and batsmen to do the same, which on the surface looks fine. But then Kohli doesn't realise that for players especially batsmen it is very important that they are not playing for their place each time they get on the field. It takes one ball and one lapse in concentration for a batsman to get out, atleast for bowlers you can come back after a bad spell. This is the main reason batsmen have suffered under his captaincy. It doesn't even take a Loss for Kohli to change teams, still remember for his first 34 or so tests as captain he never had same XI for consecutive tests meaning he was chopping and changing for each and every match. Kohli must remember if the same was done after a couple of failures for him where he would be now? He went full 10 innings without scoring anything in England and still not dropped. Whereas Kohli was dropping Pujara, Rahane, Vijay, Bhuvi, etc at their peak for some non-sensical reasons. Not backing youngsters: In his 7 years of captaincy there has been no notable backing of youngsters for any length of time. Instead we saw likes of Gambhir, Parthiv Patel, Harbhajan, etc. given chances when it was clear they were over the hill or not fit for the role. Other than Mayank Agarwal and Bumrah (who came bcos of LOIs) where are your youngsters? Even Mayank has been backed only because Dhawan was injured and he managed to score runs in his first tour otherwise we would have lost him as well. Team Preparation: Pujara playing a blinder of a series in last Australia tour was because he took the initiative to play in County just before that series where the conditions were quite difficult. Even though he scored only one century in County it meant he had practised on tough overseas surfaces which made the challenge of Aussie pitches that much easier to handle. Now, our Captain thinks such practise games are a waste of time BECAUSE HE THINKS IT DOES NOT HELP HIM so he cancels them or makes them redundant for whole team. He cancelled the only practise game before SA tour and had only one redundant game before England tour and he still doesn't realise that just because he doesn't need them the rest of the Team should also be not given practise. He also skipped the Practise game before NZ tour earlier this year and surely he missed it as that showed in his failings. These are the 3 key reasons even before the team gets to the field how his Captaincy is affecting Team India. On the field, it is clear that Strategically he is not the most adept but as Tests is the least forgiving format for strategizing he has been serviceable. But that is what makes him a bad Captain in LOIs. Edited December 27, 2020 by Forever Indian adi B, Norman, Gollum and 16 others 1 11 7 Link to comment
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