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2 hours ago, Gollum said:

On the contrary the overrated experienced spinner gets another chance to put up a batting masterclass and teach the English scrubs how to bat on such wickets, clearly after what we saw in T2 even someone like Stokes is found lacking. And not just English batsmen, maybe the Kiwis too can take some notes seeing how poor they are when they visit Indian shores...they are scheduled to visit India this Sep-Oct, maybe just maybe they can learn something so that they don't make complete fools out of themselves yet again. We are actually doing them a favor, completing their cricket education or at least facilitating it, what they say about leading the horse to water. 

 

Yes, no atithi devo bhava for the kiwis.

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8 hours ago, neel roy said:

Also with WTC place at stake it would be foolhardy to load the dice totally in favour of pace bowlers with Shami unavailable. It becomes a game of chance and catching abilities when ball flies around. India are piss poor in catching and we all saw in Aus. We lost adelaide due to dropping Tim Paine at 110/7 with 134 runs ahead and Josh hazelwood to come. England have gun fielders which we all saw in the first test..India taking the safer route. Cant blame them..

 

 

Agree.

 

Catching has been our biggest weakness 

 

 

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Bumrah Ishant Siraj versus Archer Anderson Broad Stokes in fast seaming wicket. Who will you put your money on.. no guesses

 

 

 

We have played some of our best cricket on fast seaming tracks with a bit of bounce.

 

While the swinging ball has been our nemesis 

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8 hours ago, neel roy said:

Also with WTC place at stake it would be foolhardy to load the dice totally in favour of pace bowlers with Shami unavailable. It becomes a game of chance and catching abilities when ball flies around. India are piss poor in catching and we all saw in Aus. We lost adelaide due to dropping Tim Paine at 110/7 with 134 runs ahead and Josh hazelwood to come. England have gun fielders which we all saw in the first test..India taking the safer route. Cant blame them.. Bumrah Ishant Siraj versus Archer Anderson Broad Stokes in fast seaming wicket. Who will you put your money on.. no guesses

Well said . 

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9 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

So the same old idea of an underprepared wicket - shave off all live grass and do not water it for the last 3-4 days before the day 1, let the pitch get totally baked under the sun, roll the dry and dead grass into the track so that it assists faster spin. Pitch will be a day 4 track when play starts offering sharp turn from day 1

 

Bravo visionary TM. 

Why should we give them favourable conditions.?  And that too with WTC on the line. 

The only reason why people like Vaughan have the audacity question our pitches is that some Indian fans like you and Sanju Manju support them. 

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21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

We have played some of our best cricket on fast seaming tracks with a bit of bounce.

 

While the swinging ball has been our nemesis 

Seam movement is usually tougher to negotiate than Swing but in case of Indian batsman it's actually the reverse which is true. 

Swing is dependent on weather conditions not on pitch, so even if we prepare a turner that won't help us. 

 

Also the Pink ball aids swing but has no effect on seam movement so this could get ugly. 

 

 

James Anderson will be the biggest threat, this guy can swing the pink ball even after it loses the shine.

 

I don't think Sharma will do well in this match same goes for gill. 

Rahane and Kohli could be our two best batsman in this match

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6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

 

Swing is dependent on weather conditions not on pitch, so even if we prepare a turner that won't help us. 

 

 

 

If we prepare a rough pitch then the ball loses its shine faster and swings conventionally for less time even if the conditions favour swing.

 

 

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Also the Pink ball aids swing but has no effect on seam movement so this could get ugly. 

 

 

The pink SG ball has a more pronounced seam ... hand stitched with a combination of linen and synthetic fibres. It may aid somd seam movement too, if a pacer hits the deck hard with the seam.

 

 

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James Anderson will be the biggest threat, this guy can swing the pink ball even after it loses the shine.

 

I don't think Sharma will do well in this match same goes for gill. 

Rahane and Kohli could be our two best batsman in this match

 

 

Let's see.

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5 hours ago, kirkutfan said:

If India was playing in England, they obviously won’t say let’s be good hosts, we want Axar and Ashwin to have a ball. The variety of conditions provides different tests to players and that’s what makes the game fun. Even on the so called bad pitch- Rohit found a way to score big. India scored around 300 in both innings. So was the pitch a bust because the Brits couldn’t come up with answers? And knowing that, why wouldn’t India take advantage of that again? The variety of conditions around the world is what makes the game fun. The sad alternative would be to standardize everything. Would we feel good if players competed everywhere on astro turf?

A spin friendly pitch does not have to be underprepared and start crumbling from ball 1 like it happened at Chennai. It reflects so poorly on our tradition of producing beatome amazingly sporting yet spin friendly pitches which give us adequate home advantage.

 

My biggest grief is our team of rookies thrashed the formidable Aussies at their home fortresses in such adverse circumstances but a test match later suddenly we need doctored wickets at home to defeat the Poms? That's massively underseelling this team's abilities.

 

Also, for me home advantage is always preparing spin friendly pitches in Asia (like the ones we mostly have had except for the Patras) and swing /seam friendly pitches by SENA countries. The equivalent of a dry underprepared pitch like the one at Chennai in SENA  will be hard bouncy pitches with lots of unevenly rolled long live grass on day 1 (NZ 2002, SA ) where batting becomes a lottery

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21 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Why should we give them favourable conditions.?  And that too with WTC on the line. 

The only reason why people like Vaughan have the audacity question our pitches is that some Indian fans like you and Sanju Manju support them. 

By not preparing an undercooked pitch, the conditions become favorable to Eng? The ball doesn't have to turn from ball 1 with the pitch cracking up in the first couple of overs for us to exploit home advantage.

 

I do hope our cricket administrators have a better vision and support proper home pitches and not these atrocities in the name of spinning tracks.

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22 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

By not preparing an undercooked pitch, the conditions become favorable to Eng? The ball doesn't have to turn from ball 1 with the pitch cracking up in the first couple of overs for us to exploit home advantage.

 

I do hope our cricket administrators have a better vision and support proper home pitches and not these atrocities in the name of spinning tracks.

when england, new zealand stop preparing green mamabs and just hope and pray to win tosses then we can consider giving away our spin track advantage. We dont need to pander to anyone. Its simple. our 3 best players arent playing hence we are going with a spin track option. 

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7 hours ago, Jay said:

They are lucky no Umesh, Shami and Jadeja. It would have been carnage. Sporting or not sporting, those 3 will bulldoze through every team in India. 

 

Without them we are a lot weaker however still strong enough to beat every team at home albeit it would be a tight affair now. 

Would have been nice to have at-least one of them! It's a shame all three are out. 

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4 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

A spin friendly pitch does not have to be underprepared and start crumbling from ball 1 like it happened at Chennai. It reflects so poorly on our tradition of producing beatome amazingly sporting yet spin friendly pitches which give us adequate home advantage.

 

My biggest grief is our team of rookies thrashed the formidable Aussies at their home fortresses in such adverse circumstances but a test match later suddenly we need doctored wickets at home to defeat the Poms? That's massively underseelling this team's abilities.

 

Also, for me home advantage is always preparing spin friendly pitches in Asia (like the ones we mostly have had except for the Patras) and swing /seam friendly pitches by SENA countries. The equivalent of a dry underprepared pitch like the one at Chennai in SENA  will be hard bouncy pitches with lots of unevenly rolled long live grass on day 1 (NZ 2002, SA ) where batting becomes a lottery

Issue with that is India tried exactly that in first test. Prepare a wicket which wont crumble from day 1 but will gradually crumble as game goes on and on day 5 it ll be minefield.. it boomeranged as day 1 was flatter than chinnaswamy in t20 match and last day was absolute nightmare. Just to eliminate this from happening india prepared a turner. 

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5 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

Yes, no atithi devo bhava for the kiwis.

Lol if Kiwis come it should spin from over 1 not even over 8. I want to see how good Latham Watling Nichols are in turners as the UAE win was in normal spinning track. Kane will play well but Taylor not sure. Jamieson will be ineffective with old ball as he doesnt reverse. Boult and Southee losed effectiveness in India. Only bowler I would worry about is Matt Henry. 

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15 hours ago, neel roy said:

No respite for England if they thought pink ball will Seam swing automatically..
 

It is learnt that the Indian team management wants to play to its strength and there could be a turner on offer with Ravichandran Ashwin and Axar Patel ready to exploit the conditions to the fullest.

With Ashwin and Axar accounting for 15 of the 20 wickets in the second Test, India, keeping in mind the swinging pink ball under lights, might drop Kuldeep Yadav and include a third pacer.

 

"Look, it doesn't matter if the ball is red or pink. If you keep a dry wicket, ball will turn and extra lacquer won't be of any consequence," a former India spinner said when asked for his opinion.

"However, if there is dew then obviously the ball will start skidding and it might just be good for batting. So that can't be discounted," he said. 

Great news

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On 2/19/2021 at 9:02 PM, ShoonyaSifar said:

A spin friendly pitch does not have to be underprepared and start crumbling from ball 1 like it happened at Chennai. It reflects so poorly on our tradition of producing beatome amazingly sporting yet spin friendly pitches which give us adequate home advantage.

 

My biggest grief is our team of rookies thrashed the formidable Aussies at their home fortresses in such adverse circumstances but a test match later suddenly we need doctored wickets at home to defeat the Poms? That's massively underseelling this team's abilities.

 

Also, for me home advantage is always preparing spin friendly pitches in Asia (like the ones we mostly have had except for the Patras) and swing /seam friendly pitches by SENA countries. The equivalent of a dry underprepared pitch like the one at Chennai in SENA  will be hard bouncy pitches with lots of unevenly rolled long live grass on day 1 (NZ 2002, SA ) where batting becomes a lottery

I understand your point. But think of it this way, both sides dealt with the same conditions. One side figured it out, another didn’t. If England scored close to 300 in both innings, the game would have gone to a 5th day. Besides, with the pitch crumbling early, the edge from winning the toss was reduced. Compare that with the pitch in the first game. England really benefited from winning the toss by having much better conditions to bat on. But we don’t complain about that. We just say bravo Joe Root and move on. 

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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-3rd-test-motera-james-anderson-doesn-t-expect-reverse-swing-to-play-a-part-in-day-night-test-1252549

 

 James Anderson does not expect it to play much of a role under the Ahmedabad floodlights in Wednesday's third Test.

 

He suggested on Sunday that there was little discernible difference between the pink SG and the Dukes and Kookaburra equivalents that he has used previously in Tests, and that the extra lacquer on the ball means it is likely to stay hard for a longer period of time.

"It doesn't feel a lot different [to other brands of pink ball]," Anderson said. "What we have found with all the pink balls, it seems like they have an extra bit of lacquer on them so it feels a bit more plastic, the coating, rather than on the red ball where you can feel the leather. It feels very similar to the Dukes in the hand.

"I think we will be unlikely to see reverse. It depends on the pitch - if the pitch is really abrasive you might see a bit of reverse, but from how we've bowled it in the nets I would be very surprised if it does reverse. It may well stay a bit harder for longer. We'll have to wait and see how it reacts after 40-50 overs."

 

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On 2/20/2021 at 8:10 PM, neel roy said:

Issue with that is India tried exactly that in first test. Prepare a wicket which wont crumble from day 1 but will gradually crumble as game goes on and on day 5 it ll be minefield.. it boomeranged as day 1 was flatter than chinnaswamy in t20 match and last day was absolute nightmare. Just to eliminate this from happening india prepared a turner. 

 

India need to prepare a rank turner. From Over 1 of the next test. We need to play to our strength at this point in time. India's batting and bowling lineup for spin bowling is far superior to England, they have no chance, win or lose the toss is irrelevant.

 

If we had all our best pace bowlers available and in form, then sure keep grass on the wicket to assist them. 

 

In SENA conditions, no one cares if the wicket doesnt assist spinners as generally these teams play to their strengths, ie pace and seam bowling.

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On 2/20/2021 at 5:36 AM, Jay said:

when england, new zealand stop preparing green mamabs and just hope and pray to win tosses then we can consider giving away our spin track advantage. We dont need to pander to anyone. Its simple. our 3 best players arent playing hence we are going with a spin track option. 

Sorry I have to interject here. I can’t remember the last time I saw a “green mamba” for a Test match in England. It’s all about the overhead conditions. Generally county clubs and the ECB want matches to last at least four days for much needed revenue.

 

As for NZ, yes they do leave grass on, but again matches there usually last four or five days and tend to get better and better for batting as the game goes on. Their pitches look like they’ll seam all over the shop, but rarely do

 

For the record I have no problem at all with India preparing bunsens, that’s the beauty of cricket, the variety of pitches around the world and even within countries. But this idea that England only play on “green” pitches at home is completely and utterly false

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