Another Turner in Ahmedabad

[neel roy]

No respite for England if they thought pink ball will Seam swing automatically..
 

It is learnt that the Indian team management wants to play to its strength and there could be a turner on offer with Ravichandran Ashwin and Axar Patel ready to exploit the conditions to the fullest.

With Ashwin and Axar accounting for 15 of the 20 wickets in the second Test, India, keeping in mind the swinging pink ball under lights, might drop Kuldeep Yadav and include a third pacer.

 

"Look, it doesn't matter if the ball is red or pink. If you keep a dry wicket, ball will turn and extra lacquer won't be of any consequence," a former India spinner said when asked for his opinion.

"However, if there is dew then obviously the ball will start skidding and it might just be good for batting. So that can't be discounted," he said. 

[zen]

The overrated experienced spinners still can't perform w/o some help   

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

So the same old idea of an underprepared wicket - shave off all live grass and do not water it for the last 3-4 days before the day 1, let the pitch get totally baked under the sun, roll the dry and dead grass into the track so that it assists faster spin. Pitch will be a day 4 track when play starts offering sharp turn from day 1

 

Bravo visionary TM. 

[Suhaan]

After the debacle in Adelaide ,i was quite sure we won't lay normal surface to any of the ENA opposition

 

I can't blame them here,they were piss poor in Adelaide

[neel roy]

Also with WTC place at stake it would be foolhardy to load the dice totally in favour of pace bowlers with Shami unavailable. It becomes a game of chance and catching abilities when ball flies around. India are piss poor in catching and we all saw in Aus. We lost adelaide due to dropping Tim Paine at 110/7 with 134 runs ahead and Josh hazelwood to come. England have gun fielders which we all saw in the first test..India taking the safer route. Cant blame them.. Bumrah Ishant Siraj versus Archer Anderson Broad Stokes in fast seaming wicket. Who will you put your money on.. no guesses

[ShoonyaSifar]

19 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Also with WTC place at stake it would be foolhardy to load the dice totally in favour of pace bowlers with Shami unavailable. It becomes a game of chance and catching abilities when ball flies around. India are piss poor in catching and we all saw in Aus. We lost adelaide due to dropping Tim Paine at 110/7 with 134 runs ahead and Josh hazelwood to come. England have gun fielders which we all saw in the first test..India taking the safer route. Cant blame them.. Bumrah Ishant Siraj versus Archer Anderson Broad Stokes in fast seaming wicket. Who will you put your money on.. no guesses

That WTC final spot is not really worth it if we have to play on back to back undercooked pitches. Our own team of rookies knocked the Aussies out a few weeks back but at home we need favouring pitches! The dice rolled in our favour at Chennai, expecting an encore at Motera will be foolhardy.

[neel roy]

7 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

That WTC final spot is not really worth it if we have to play on back to back undercooked pitches. Our own team of rookies knocked the Aussies out a few weeks back but at home we need favouring pitches! The dice rolled in our favour at Chennai, expecting an encore at Motera will be foolhardy.

Tell This to millions of Indian cricket fans that WTC is not worth it and we will be brave and lay down a sporting pitch to suit pink ball and we ll see how it goes .. and then wait for pink ball to seam and swing and Rahane playing across the line against Anderson LBW and India 112/5.. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

11 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Tell This to millions of Indian cricket fans that WTC is not worth it and we will be brave and lay down a sporting pitch to suit pink ball and we ll see how it goes .. and then wait for pink ball to seam and swing and Rahane playing across the line against Anderson LBW and India 112/5.. 

Ask an average Indian fan what is WTC and I can bet 95% would not even know or care. Will test the so called popularity of this WTC next week at Motera. Also, If WTC so dearly mattered we wouldn't have played IPL before the Aus series leaving just a 10 day gap.

 

As a fan watching it from the stands, if I see the match being played on a substandard pitch, I will feel cheated.

[kirkutfan]

36 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Ask an average Indian fan what is WTC and I can bet 95% would not even know or care. Will test the so called popularity of this WTC next week at Motera. Also, If WTC so dearly mattered we wouldn't have played IPL before the Aus series leaving just a 10 day gap.

 

As a fan watching it from the stands, if I see the match being played on a substandard pitch, I will feel cheated.

If India was playing in England, they obviously won’t say let’s be good hosts, we want Axar and Ashwin to have a ball. The variety of conditions provides different tests to players and that’s what makes the game fun. Even on the so called bad pitch- Rohit found a way to score big. India scored around 300 in both innings. So was the pitch a bust because the Brits couldn’t come up with answers? And knowing that, why wouldn’t India take advantage of that again? The variety of conditions around the world is what makes the game fun. The sad alternative would be to standardize everything. Would we feel good if players competed everywhere on astro turf?

[Jay]

4 hours ago, zen said:

The overrated experienced spinners still can't perform w/o some help   

 

 

He did in Australia though. Din't he? Sir Jadeja our best player in Asian Condtions isn't even playing and he has on several occasions performed well outside India. 

[Jay]

4 hours ago, Suhaan said:

After the debacle in Adelaide ,i was quite sure we won't lay normal surface to any of the ENA opposition

 

I can't blame them here,they were piss poor in Adelaide

They really weren't. They dominated that game too barring one session. 

[Jay]

3 hours ago, neel roy said:

Also with WTC place at stake it would be foolhardy to load the dice totally in favour of pace bowlers with Shami unavailable. It becomes a game of chance and catching abilities when ball flies around. India are piss poor in catching and we all saw in Aus. We lost adelaide due to dropping Tim Paine at 110/7 with 134 runs ahead and Josh hazelwood to come. England have gun fielders which we all saw in the first test..India taking the safer route. Cant blame them.. Bumrah Ishant Siraj versus Archer Anderson Broad Stokes in fast seaming wicket. Who will you put your money on.. no guesses

Fast seaming wicket? Ofocurse bumrah Ishant and Siraj is better. 

 

In swing friendly wickets the latter would be better. 

 

Problem is our batting in swing Condtions. We play pace and bounce well but not swing. 

 

 

Edited February 19, 2021 by Jay

[Jay]

1 hour ago, kirkutfan said:

If India was playing in England, they obviously won’t say let’s be good hosts, we want Axar and Ashwin to have a ball. The variety of conditions provides different tests to players and that’s what makes the game fun. Even on the so called bad pitch- Rohit found a way to score big. India scored around 300 in both innings. So was the pitch a bust because the Brits couldn’t come up with answers? And knowing that, why wouldn’t India take advantage of that again? The variety of conditions around the world is what makes the game fun. The sad alternative would be to standardize everything. Would we feel good if players competed everywhere on astro turf?

Yep this stinking attitude needs to change. Too many servile English but hugging posters here. 

 

They can't play spin. Their fault. It's easy to bash spin once the ball is old. Job is to survive that long. 

 

Same concept with green mamabs which is actually produces way more toss oriented results. 

 

Shame on some of the fans here. 

[Tattieboy]

It would be the dumbest thing ever if India didn't prepare a huge turner . It's Burns, Sibley, Crawley , Lawrence not exactly a fab 4 more like dud 4 and don't get me started about the full toss spin  twins 

England can't play on turning wickets. 

Just one request for my enjoyment of a 5 day test , can you possibly prepare a wicket that lasts this time  8 overs and not 7 overs before the top comes off and every ball starts exploding every place  lol 

[zen]

32 minutes ago, Jay said:

He did in Australia though. Din't he? Sir Jadeja our best player in Asian Condtions isn't even playing and he has on several occasions performed well outside India. 

 

Let's not forget that the newbee Sundar did well too  ... Exceptions do not make a rule

[Jay]

14 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Let's not forget that the newbee Sundar did well too  ... Exceptions do not make a rule

Jadeja has done well. 

 

Ashwin has done well comapres to other spinners of this era. So he did perform well. 

[Gollum]

5 hours ago, zen said:

The overrated experienced spinners still can't perform w/o some help   

 

 

On the contrary the overrated experienced spinner gets another chance to put up a batting masterclass and teach the English scrubs how to bat on such wickets, clearly after what we saw in T2 even someone like Stokes is found lacking. And not just English batsmen, maybe the Kiwis too can take some notes seeing how poor they are when they visit Indian shores...they are scheduled to visit India this Sep-Oct, maybe just maybe they can learn something so that they don't make complete fools out of themselves yet again. We are actually doing them a favor, completing their cricket education or at least facilitating it, what they say about leading the horse to water. 

[Stan AF]

Guys let's not speculate on the pitch before the match.

 

 

[Gollum]

Won't help spinners that much, dew will play a part, even ball will be affected screwing bowlers throughout the innings. 

Edited February 20, 2021 by Gollum

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

On the contrary the overrated experienced spinner gets another chance to put up a batting masterclass and teach the English scrubs how to bat on such wickets, clearly after what we saw in T2 even someone like Stokes is found lacking. And not just English batsmen, maybe the Kiwis too can take some notes seeing how poor they are when they visit Indian shores...they are scheduled to visit India this Sep-Oct, maybe just maybe they can learn something so that they don't make complete fools out of themselves yet again. We are actually doing them a favor, completing their cricket education or at least facilitating it, what they say about leading the horse to water. 

They are lucky no Umesh, Shami and Jadeja. It would have been carnage. Sporting or not sporting, those 3 will bulldoze through every team in India. 

 

Without them we are a lot weaker however still strong enough to beat every team at home albeit it would be a tight affair now.