Jaddu vs Sundar vs Axar vs Krunal vs Tewatia - Who has a better power game for No.7 ??

[Ankit_sharma03]

Since one of them will surely play its important to ask this question as well cause somehow they all lack power game which kind of reduces the impact of our batting

 

Power game-  Many would confuse of them being good batsman so being automatic good player. Let me clearly explain - when u come out at no.7 u need a bit of extra muscle since ball is lil old and u aint set and its that power that gives u advantage in that situation. Also hitting big sixes from ball-1 is not everyone cup of tea which is why guys like pollard, russell, maxwell, pandya are highly valued by their teams despite inconsistency. U send top batsman like Rohit n kohli at 7 and ask them to it sixes from ball- 1 even they ll struggle. So playing at 7 needs different skills. Sundar n jaddu despite being good batsman lacks that power game to play at very high s/r. Both can hit well when they are set batting up the order.  ( @maniac @Global.Baba - who ever is active i specifically wrote this for u since u dnt understand this concept) 

 

If i have to rank them in Acc to their bowling skill in t20s

 

• Tewatia ( my estimation is just based on IPL since thats what he has played , also being a wrist spinner is an advantage)
• Krunal n Sundar are near about same
• Axar 
• Jaddu (his bowling in t20 is weak due to his predictability )

 

But they have to bat as well and when it comes to power game they all are very close to each other .  Ill Say Tewatia, Sundar are a lil better then others , which is why not trying tewatia in this series is another mistake since he clicks few boxes. Shardul does take the cake when it comes to power game over all of them and he can allow us to play 2 spinners when needed to. 

 

But if you have to pick one of them on basis of their power game at 7 whom will you ??? 

 

Ill go with tewatia as of now 

[zen]

It would depend upon rest of the team composition as well but in most scenarios Tewatia, if he can continue his good form, fits the bill  

 

• can get the big hits going 
• has clutch abilities (esp. useful as Ind can be 50 or less for 3 in imp matches) 
• can close the games 
• useful leg spinner 
• dependable fielder 

 

Other options also depend upon team composition and form ... Sundar can be the off-spinner, allowing Ind to play a spinner like Varun C among the 3-4 specialist bowlers' slots. However, Sundar is not the best in the field ... Jadeja, Axar and Krunal can do the job as well if in form. If there is dew, guys like Krunal can fire in those yorkers. All the 3 LAS bowlers are good fielders too ... If these guys are in form too, one of them can be slotted at #8 with Ind playing 3 pacers or 2 pacers + 1 spinner per conditions (most likely 3 pacers if dew is a factor) in the 3 specialist bowlers' slots

Edited March 18, 2021 by zen

[Lone Wolf]

Tewatia has another advantage that he is innovative a bit.  Jaddu has better power game.  Tewatia needs to be seen more

[Majestic]

Sundar is the best bowler.

 

For batting at 7 in T20s, Jadeja and Tewatia.

 

Overall, I go with Jadeja because his fielding is several level ahead of rest.

[Adamant]

Jaddu is in the form of his life and after his exploits in the loi series vs aus there's no doubt that he should get in the team ahead of all the others.
I can't judge tewatia based on a couple of ipl matches, Jaddu definitely has a better power game than Sundar(as clear as it gets). Krunal is a limited player, Axar is nowhere near Jaddu.

[Adamant]

Jaddu at 7, Sundar at 8 will be a good combo along with bhuvi ,bumrah and nattu at 9 10 11

[zen]

One issue with Jadeja is that he has been getting opportunities since 2009 to play at world events. I recall Ind losing out because of him in 2009 T20 WC and that ran out in 2017 CT final where he could have sacrificed his wkt for the team. The performance of note with the bat is that inning in 2019 WC SF 

If Ind picks him and he does something weird, no sympathies for team Ind because if you do not learn, who else is to blame

[Yoda-esque]

Tewatia has a good head on his shoulders

[Moochad]

Tewatia, then Jadeja, air, Axar, then Wash. Based off Ipl only. Wash is young so he could surpass all of them this or next season

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, zen said:

One issue with Jadeja is that he has been getting opportunities since 2009 to play at world events. I recall Ind losing out because of him in 2009 T20 WC and that ran out in 2017 CT final where he could have sacrificed his wkt for the team. The performance of note with the bat is that inning in 2019 WC SF 

If Ind picks him and he does something weird, no sympathies for team Ind because if you do not learn, who else is to blame

He was pivotal in winning us CT 2013. It was 50 over tournament but you also mentioned 2019 WC SF too. He is generally good in big tournaments in my opinion.

 

2009 was long back and he was young. Let's forget that.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Majestic

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, Adamant said:

Jaddu is in the form of his life and after his exploits in the loi series vs aus there's no doubt that he should get in the team ahead of all the others.
I can't judge tewatia based on a couple of ipl matches, Jaddu definitely has a better power game than Sundar(as clear as it gets). Krunal is a limited player, Axar is nowhere near Jaddu.

there also if u notice he hit the ball well when he came in early which is my point 

[Lone Wolf]

Jaddu has been below average as well for most part of his career in LOIs but now he finally seems to have cracked the code. 

Tewatia seems to be better bowler imo in T20s.  Jaddu is one trick pony there & easy to line up. 

[Stan AF]

Not a fan of him but still I'd pick Jadeja

[SK_IH]

5 hours ago, zen said:

One issue with Jadeja is that he has been getting opportunities since 2009 to play at world events. I recall Ind losing out because of him in 2009 T20 WC and that ran out in 2017 CT final where he could have sacrificed his wkt for the team. The performance of note with the bat is that inning in 2019 WC SF 

If Ind picks him and he does something weird, no sympathies for team Ind because if you do not learn, who else is to blame

If you exclude CT performance in 2013, he has been the biggest fraud in India's limited overs cricket. Since last year's IPL batting performances his stocks have risen again. IMO he only plays if he is a 4 overs bowler, otherwise big no as a no.7 batsman.

[Ankit_sharma03]

19 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

If you exclude CT performance in 2013, he has been the biggest fraud in India's limited overs cricket. Since last year's IPL batting performances his stocks have risen again. IMO he only plays if he is a 4 overs bowler, otherwise big no as a no.7 batsman.

 

His bowling actually scares specially if we come against WI- Lewis, Pooran, hetymer and then pollard n russell have also smashed him

[ShoonyaSifar]

Jadeja, Tewatia, Sundar, Krunal, Axar - this will be the order. Sundar's hitting is still unproven at the international level but in tests he has shown enough to suggest he will adapt well. Hopefully Tewatia gets to play today (his status is not clear) and more importantly gets to bowl AND bat.

 

However, our King Clown has no working brain cells to be a bit different and send them up the order just to see how they respond. All he does instead is to park himself at 3/4 and then when it comes to knockout games, chokes.

[BacktoCricaddict]

The thing with Tewatia (or SKY, or Sundar as a top-order bat) is we don't really know enough.  No one here can honestly say any of them "has this or has that." 

 

IPL success is one thing - there is enough cannon-fodder there to cover up deficiencies - but T20Is against the best bowlers is a different beast.  You have to give them chances to show what they have or don't have.  Until then, they are just our darling back-ups.  

[SK_IH]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

His bowling actually scares specially if we come against WI- Lewis, Pooran, hetymer and then pollard n russell have also smashed him

May be a good horses for courses pick but not a certainty for sure. Let's see his performance in this IPL, last year's performance may very well might be an outlier

[Global.Baba]

All 4 are different players: 

 

Sundar: u-19 prodigy with unlimited batting potential stumbles upon his bowling talent. Ends up as one of the most promising middle order young batting talents in the world in tests and a bowler in T20’s who is one of the most economical bowlers in the world. Power hitting status: unknown but sure he can manage a 6 or 2 in the last 1-2 overs of a T20.

 

Jadeja: one of the best spinners in the world and in the last 2 years probably one of the finest 3 format allrounders in the world.

 

Axar: Doemstic veteran now and a support spinner in LoI formats for the last 4-5 years. Now a premier top 3 spinner in test for India. Not exactly a batsman but a tailender/ lower middle order bat who can tonk a couple of 6’s at the end. 
 

Krunal: a perfect modern day mercenary cricketer who can do a little bit of this and little bit of that and can win you the odd game with bat. His bowling is very accurate but not exactly a standout. His batting is not 7-8 but more like 5-6. However is it good enough to push him ahead of other 5-6 bat, you be the judge.

 

Tewatiya: 2 innings in the IPL is all that took? Yes he had miraculous knocks. Even in those knocks there was a lot of mediocrity too for the most part. What are his long term credentials?

 

I see a few people here get carried away with juzbaa junoon. They don’t rate guys with a great work ethic like Sundar,Thakur or even Jaiswal based on his IPL performance when a guy like Jaiswal can be built on the sundar model. A guy whose leg spin in underrated should he fast tracked while his prodigy level batting can be developed. That should be the vision instead of getting in every hack who has a day in the sun in IPL.

[Yoda-esque]

All 4 are different players: 
 
Sundar: u-19 prodigy with unlimited batting potential stumbles upon his bowling talent. Ends up as one of the most promising middle order young batting talents in the world in tests and a bowler in T20’s who is one of the most economical bowlers in the world. Power hitting status: unknown but sure he can manage a 6 or 2 in the last 1-2 overs of a T20.
 
Jadeja: one of the best spinners in the world and in the last 2 years probably one of the finest 3 format allrounders in the world.
 
Axar: Doemstic veteran now and a support spinner in LoI formats for the last 4-5 years. Now a premier top 3 spinner in test for India. Not exactly a batsman but a tailender/ lower middle order bat who can tonk a couple of 6’s at the end. 
 
Krunal: a perfect modern day mercenary cricketer who can do a little bit of this and little bit of that and can win you the odd game with bat. His bowling is very accurate but not exactly a standout. His batting is not 7-8 but more like 5-6. However is it good enough to push him ahead of other 5-6 bat, you be the judge.
 
Tewatiya: 2 innings in the IPL is all that took? Yes he had miraculous knocks. Even in those knocks there was a lot of mediocrity too for the most part. What are his long term credentials?
 
I see a few people here get carried away with juzbaa junoon. They don’t rate guys with a great work ethic like Sundar,Thakur or even Jaiswal based on his IPL performance when a guy like Jaiswal can be built on the sundar model. A guy whose leg spin in underrated should he fast tracked while his prodigy level batting can be developed. That should be the vision instead of getting in every hack who has a day in the sun in IPL.

Baba, you should ask Thakur whether he needs a Thakurain