Thakur vs Jadeja ( except home tests )

[Vk1]

who should be picked in tests/odis/T20s... 

 

Thakur should be the default pick in odis and T20s as Jadeja barely picks wickets in these formats and his figures mostly read 10-0-53-0 / 4-0-30- 0 on most days.. 

 

On SENA tests.. recent evidence in Aus and Eng suggests that Thakur can pick crucial wickets and break big partnerships ( unlike Jadeja who gets wickets of tailenders or if batsman throw their bats ).. even on a day 5 wicket, team used him to scuff up the ball and not as a main weapon..

 

On Batting front.. Thakur >>>>>> Jadeja in shorter formats.. he can hit sixers effortlessly while Jadeja only relies on a specific over pitched delivery to clear the boundary.. and Thakur is already better than Jadeja in last few tests...

 

and the most important factor in shorter formats is the willingness to sacrifice the wicket as per the situation.. Jadeja fails hugely ( by far the most selfish batsman in Indian history )
 

ofcourse Jadeja fielding/catching >>>>>> Thakur

[cricketfan28]

Thakur is very hot right now .so answer will be obvious. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

so never be in a hurry to draw a conclusion about any thing. See it over a period of time

When someone fires he looks a world beater until he fails 

 

Thakur is a bowling all rounder and let him be one. I knw many have started fantasizing him as full all rounder....well keep the hopes down. Bowling all rounder dnt have a mindset of batsman coz they are bowlers at the end of the day unless they start to change their course towards being a batsman. 

 

In test - its better we look for a batting all rounder overseas. 

In ODI - i like jaddu but only if he bats up the order. Ill never bat thakur in top 7 in an ODI game

In t20- never liked jaddu n i have said many times thakur power game is better then Axxar, krunal n jaddu so ill go with him as anyways in 20 overs how many batsman will get a chance to bat

[Ankit_sharma03]

Pat cummins can bat but that doesnt mean aussies will play him in place of a batting all rounder

They have still looked around- head, marsh, green 

 

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

i agree except thakur is a rubbish t20 bowler, 9 per over type of guy, he has no role. ODI and tests yes he looks a good package AR but still too early

[Vivek92]

For them to develop as T20 all-rounders, they need to be placed at the right time in IPL, for crying out loud SCurran, Thakur and D Chahar bats at 8, 9 and 10 for CSK, waste of resources.

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pat cummins can bat but that doesnt mean aussies will play him in place of a batting all rounder

They have still looked around- head, marsh, green 

 

Australia has the luxury of all rounder. In India we only have pandya who can qualify for the all rounder tag. So the comparison might not apply for us.

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Australia has the luxury of all rounder. In India we only have pandya who can qualify for the all rounder tag. So the comparison might not apply for us.

They didnt 

Marsh was their hope and he has been struggling with injuries

They had to play travis head for quite a while

Now they found a great talent in Cameron green but he also isnt bowling as much due to his injuries 

 

So they have also struggled with all rounders

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

so never be in a hurry to draw a conclusion about any thing. See it over a period of time

When someone fires he looks a world beater until he fails 

 

Thakur is a bowling all rounder and let him be one. I knw many have started fantasizing him as full all rounder....well keep the hopes down. Bowling all rounder dnt have a mindset of batsman coz they are bowlers at the end of the day unless they start to change their course towards being a batsman. 

 

In test - its better we look for a batting all rounder overseas. 

In ODI - i like jaddu but only if he bats up the order. Ill never bat thakur in top 7 in an ODI game

In t20- never liked jaddu n i have said many times thakur power game is better then Axxar, krunal n jaddu so ill go with him as anyways in 20 overs how many batsman will get a chance to bat

Actually Thakur started as a batsman that's why he has that game.

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pat cummins can bat but that doesnt mean aussies will play him in place of a batting all rounder

They have still looked around- head, marsh, green 

 

But Pat Cummins can play purely as a bowler. Shardul I am not sure. Look at his LOI record.

[Majestic]

In LOIs, it is not Thakur vs Jadeja.

 

6. Pandya

7. Jadeja

8. Thakur

9. Fast bowler

10. Spinner

11. Bumrah

 

The important point here is that in ODIs, our main spinners end up leaking a lot of runs too. We have seen with Yuzi and Kuldeep going for plenty in last couple of years.

 

Hence, we need a bowling A/R in Jadeja. Also, he has a pedigree now so he will be sticked.

 

In T20s, I don't rate his bowling much. I do rate Axar but Krunal is not international standards for me. He just doesn't have the mentality of that level. Good for IPL but not internationals.

 

[vvvslaxman]

Kohli has decided spinners are a useless commodity overseas. Who knows he might even rest Jaddu if pandya is fully fit and available.  It works for him due to many teams (bar NZ) are in rebuilding phase. Australia/England/SA all have vulnerable batting line ups.  Overseas spin bowling will be non-existent  under Kohli.  Bumrah and Siraj are younger. SO they will just need a couple of support bowlers  after Shami leaves. Umesh for some time may be. Thakur as an all rounder. Pandya may come back. 

[vvvslaxman]

14 minutes ago, Majestic said:

In LOIs, it is not Thakur vs Jadeja.

 

6. Pandya

7. Jadeja

8. Thakur

9. Fast bowler

10. Spinner

11. Bumrah

 

The important point here is that in ODIs, our main spinners end up leaking a lot of runs too. We have seen with Yuzi and Kuldeep going for plenty in last couple of years.

 

Hence, we need a bowling A/R in Jadeja. Also, he has a pedigree now so he will be sticked.

 

In T20s, I don't rate his bowling much. I do rate Axar but Krunal is not international standards for me. He just doesn't have the mentality of that level. Good for IPL but not internationals.

 

 

Jaddu's fielding plays a major part in his selection more than his batting. His bowling is a bonus. He was okay in NZ.  But his finishing skills not dependable at all as international teams don't have bowlers like Harshal patel. That is where Thakur will nudge ahead. Thakur CANNOT bowl in death overs. He is utter tripe there.

[Gollum]

Thakur ka honeymoon period chal raha hai. Take his success with a pinch of salt. Already 30, and has poor fitness which will make things more difficult. Bowling is so-so and I refuse to buy into the stupid notion that someone with FC batting avg 16 will maintain his 30+ avg in test cricket for more than 10 tests. 

[Gollum]

For next 6 months:

 

SENA tests: Thakur>Jaddu. If this TM had any sense they would play Thakur+Ashwin in Manchester and RSA.

 

Home tests: Jaddu guaranteed starter, Thakur's competition is with Axar depending on pitch conditions.....Sundar to play at #5 and not Rahane, his role will be much different since he isn't a test class bowler.

 

T20 WC: Neither, go for Axar. Comfortably better bowler than Thakur/Jaddu/Krunal and not a bad powerhitter. He can be paired with R Chahar and/or Ashwin to cover all bases....offie mainly to counter LHBs and bowl PP overs, attacking wristy, tight SLA. 

 

ODIs: Still time before 2023 WC. Jaddu, Thakur both can be given chances and permutations/combinations can be tried out the next 2 years. But also keep Axar in mind, and a couple of other candidates. Who knows, Sundar is just 21 and pretty high ceiling 

 

Don't give much importance to ODIs, lot will change by 2023 Oct, new faces will emerge, few will fade out, and our ICC KO performance before home WC will have a big bearing (like captaincy change). We have 2 T20 WCs, few marquee test series (away RSA, home NZ and Aus) and WTC F before that.

 

Edited September 8, 2021 by Gollum

[express bowling]

Tests outside Asia  ....

 

6. Pant

7. Jadeja / Ashwin

8. Shardul

 

 

 

Tests In Asia ....

 

6. Pant

7. Jadeja

8. Ashwin 

 

 

 

LOIs ....

 

5. Pant

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Shardul / D.Chahar 

Edited September 8, 2021 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

32 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

thakur is bowling too slowly ,has to get his pace back, else wont last long.

Yes,he,if not regularly bowling in 140s ,he still used to operate at high 130s and in between used to cross 140

I have seen him bowl 144,143   three four years ago

When he started ,used to bowl a major bulk of overx for Mumbai ,he was a workhorse for Mumbai

He has gained a lot of weight with time

Edited September 8, 2021 by Suhaan

[Suhaan]

32 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

thakur is bowling too slowly ,has to get his pace back, else wont last long.

He is a stop gap arrangement,he won't gain pace going forward

[Suhaan]

41 minutes ago, Gollum said:

For next 6 months:

 

SENA tests: Thakur>Jaddu. If this TM had any sense they would play Thakur+Ashwin in Manchester and RSA.

 

Home tests: Jaddu guaranteed starter, Thakur's competition is with Axar depending on pitch conditions.....Sundar to play at #5 and not Rahane, his role will be much different since he isn't a test class bowler.

 

T20 WC: Neither, go for Axar. Comfortably better bowler than Thakur/Jaddu/Krunal and not a bad powerhitter. He can be paired with R Chahar and/or Ashwin to cover all bases....offie mainly to counter LHBs and bowl PP overs, attacking wristy, tight SLA. 

 

ODIs: Still time before 2023 WC. Jaddu, Thakur both can be given chances and permutations/combinations can be tried out the next 2 years. But also keep Axar in mind, and a couple of other candidates. Who knows, Sundar is just 21 and pretty high ceiling 

 

Don't give much importance to ODIs, lot will change by 2023 Oct, new faces will emerge, few will fade out, and our ICC KO performance before home WC will have a big bearing (like captaincy change). We have 2 T20 WCs, few marquee test series (away RSA, home NZ and Aus) and WTC F before that.

 

I like Sunder,he is/can be the biggest thing in Indian test cricket in years to come,i see him play in top 5-6 someday without ditching bowling especially in test cricket

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Yes,he,if not regularly bowling in 140s ,he still used to operate at high 130s and in between used to cross 140

I have seen him bowl 144,143   three four years ago

When he started ,used to bowl a major bulk of overx for Mumbai ,he was a workhorse for Mumbai

He has gained a lot of weight with time

 

 

Shardul needs to lose some weight and become fitter.

 

Even is Australia earlier this year, he was bowling 135 -140 with bounce. Looks like he is carrying some niggle which has affected his workouts.

 

He is basically starting his international career and must not lose fitness now.

Edited September 8, 2021 by express bowling