Bumrah goes almost missing in an entire test match .. all too often.

[Norman]

3 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

That's cute, you don't remember his spells at Ranchi 2017? The deadest of tracks where no one from Oz looked like taking a wicket.

 

I remember that game. He bowled ok but nothing great about that performance and India ended up amassing 600+ in their only innings. 

[nitinbwj]

Yes. 

[nitinbwj]

No yorkers, short ball directed at body. No agression. Nothing! 

[rangeelaraja]

7 minutes ago, Norman said:

Lol at people declaring Cummins as the best test bowler. When was the last time he played a test match in Asia? And what's his record here? Don't remember a single great spell from him outside Australia and England. 

What a naive comment …even Bumrah has played a mammoth 2 test matches in India in his entire career.

 

Cummins performance in India has been pretty good, better than Bumrah.
 

And elsewhere, he is way more consistent than Bumrah. 
 

You can only perform where you play.

 

 

[R!TTER]

3 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

I remember that game. He bowled ok but nothing great about that performance and India ended up amassing 600+ in their only innings. 

He was the best pacer after Umesh that game, you're also forgetting this was the first time he bowled in tests after 6 years! People make excuses for our bowlers all the time and you forget three key factors?

Edited January 5, 2022 by R!TTER

[Nikola]

1 minute ago, rangeelaraja said:

What a naive comment …even Bumrah has played a mammoth 2 test matches in India in his entire career.

 

Cummins performance in India has been pretty good, better than Bumrah.
 

And elsewhere, he is way more consistent than Bumrah. 
 

You can only perform where you play.

 

 

 

Bumrah will do well in india like shami & umesh have done but i doubt he will play alot tests in india.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Nikola

[Nikola]

I don't remember bumrah having bad match other than WTC final. He has always contributed and came back even more strong. I back him to take atleast 3/4 wickets tomorrow.

[New guy]

Batsmen go missing for 2+ years with occasional guest appearance. No problem

 

A bowler averaging 22 doesnt take wickets in one match. Lets blame him!

[Frustrated]

4 minutes ago, Nikola said:

I don't remember bumrah having bad match other than WTC final.

Factually Incorrect.    Not too long ago, Bumrah struggled to take any wickets on the most green and pace friendly NZ wickets where we got whitewashed 0-2. (2020 Feb).  Ishant outperformed him on that tour.  Can't believe I m saying this.   But that's what really happened.  

 

[Vijy]

Just now, Frustrated said:

Factually Incorrect.    Not too long ago, Bumrah struggled to take any wickets on the most green and pace friendly NZ wickets where we got whitewashed 0-2. (2020 Feb).  Ishant outperformed him on that tour.  Can't believe I m saying this.   But that's what really happened.  

 

he seems to have trouble when the pitches aid him too much; perhaps he prefers flatter pitches with less movement.

[rangeelaraja]

13 minutes ago, New guy said:

Batsmen go missing for 2+ years with occasional guest appearance. No problem

 

A bowler averaging 22 doesnt take wickets in one match. Lets blame him!

 

 

His  bowling average has increased significantly since 2020.  The first 12 test matches and the last 13 test matches.

 

There is a remarkable difference in lethality and consistency when a bowler that averages 22 vs. 27 odd.

 

 

Mat	Mat	Inns	Overs	Runs		Wkts	BBI	BBM	Avg	Eco	SR	5W
year 2018	9	18	379.4	89	1009	48	6/33	9/86	21.02	2.65	47.4	3	0
year 2019	3	6	72.1	21	184	14	6/27	7/58	13.14	2.54	30.9	2	0
year 2020	4	8	132.4	30	379	14	4/56	6/110	27.07	2.85	56.8	0	0
year 2021	9	16	308.4	78	796	30	5/64	9/110	26.53	2.57	61.7	1	0
year 2022	1	2	31.0	6	91	1	1/49	1/91	91.00	2.93	186.0	0	0

 

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by rangeelaraja

[rangeelaraja]

Pat Cummins has been way more consistent over the years. Averaging sub 20 for several years back to back.

 

 

									Avg
year 2011	1	2	44.0	8	117	7	6/79	7/117	16.71	2.65	37.7	1	0
year 2017	8	14	295.4	66	864	29	4/106	4/101	29.79	2.92	61.1	0	0
year 2018	8	16	314.1	65	879	44	6/27	9/99	19.97	2.79	42.8	2	0
year 2019	12	23	440.0	119	1188	59	6/23	10/62	20.13	2.70	44.7	2	1
year 2020	3	6	96.3	29	244	14	4/21	7/69	17.42	2.52	41.3	0	0
year 2021	4	8	156.5	46	394	21	5/38	7/89	18.76	2.51	44.8	1	0
year 2022	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

 

[Frustrated]

17 minutes ago, New guy said:

Batsmen go missing for 2+ years with occasional guest appearance. No problem

 

A bowler averaging 22 doesnt take wickets in one match. Lets blame him!

No one is defending our batsmen.   There hv been multiple threads criticising the batsmen, especially MO.    However, in SA , 240 is usually considered a defendable target.  Hardly any team has chased 220+ targets successfully in SA.    Pace bowlers need to be questioned if they can't defend 240 on these tracks.  

[Chakdephatte]

43 minutes ago, Norman said:

Lol at people declaring Cummins as the best test bowler. When was the last time he played a test match in Asia? And what's his record here? Don't remember a single great spell from him outside Australia and England. 

Played two matches in India, two in Bangladesh, the more he plays, the better he will get. He is yet to play in NZ as well.

 

But I hate when people say Cummins in a different league and Bumrah is just great. He clearly performed better in Australia than Cummins in India. People forget Australia is Cummins' home so don't I rate his record in Australia (average 20.31) as better than Bumrah's 21.25.

 

PS: These two are in a league of their own. Bumrah is not very far.

[Insidious]

Terrible bowling by bumrah today. Bowling leg stump half volleys one after another. Does n't know what length to bowl, on a pitch that was offering stiff bounce. Gifted the match today to south africa.

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

Played two matches in India, two in Bangladesh, the more he plays, the better he will get. He is yet to play in NZ as well.

 

But I hate when people say Cummins in a different league and Bumrah is just great. He clearly performed better in Australia than Cummins in India. People forget Australia is Cummins' home so don't I rate his record in Australia (average 20.31) as better than Bumrah's 21.25.

 

PS: These two are in a league of their own. Bumrah is not very far.

yes, that's why the avg is only about 1.5 apart (before this test). However, I feel Cummins is a master of consistency whereas Boom is a master of searing spells, as I wrote earlier in the thread

[Jay]

Why does he suck when there is too much movement lol

 

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Why does he suck when there is too much movement lol

 

can't harness and control it well enough because he/other indian pacers are not used to it at home. srinath was also better home than overseas, likewise with wasim/waqar. Zak did well overseas, but mostly after his county stint. boom would benefit from one, if he had the time.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

 

has an avg of 39 in NZ and 29 in Eng; former is horrible and the latter is mediocre. Lack of support here as well? Besides, lack of support didn't stop several pacers from doing well in India: Steyn is the most extreme example, but there are others. As it stands, Rabada is not that diff than Boom - neither are Cummins.

Yes, he hasn't been good there. But I watched him in India. He was bowling well but clearly lacked support. There wasn't enough pressure been kept at other end and that's why he has poor record there.

 

In that series, Philander was treated as stock bowler and Mayank/Rohit absolutely nullified Maharaj and co. Rabada showed some spark but neither he had runs on board nor bowling support to bowl to.

 

Steyn often had his batters score a lot of runs that help him.

[Vijy]

9 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Yes, he hasn't been good there. But I watched him in India. He was bowling well but clearly lacked support. There wasn't enough pressure been kept at other end and that's why he has poor record there.

 

In that series, Philander was treated as stock bowler and Mayank/Rohit absolutely nullified Maharaj and co. Rabada showed some spark but neither he had runs on board nor bowling support to bowl to.

 

Steyn often had his batters score a lot of runs that help him.

Although I rate Steyn and Donald higher based on what I've seen, Rabada is the third best pacer for SA since readmission. I'd pick him as a pure bowler ahead of Philander, Morkel, Fanie de Villiers, and potentially even Pollock. So, it's not that I am ignoring him altogether. Just highlighting some areas he should work further on.