#HijabRow in Karnataka Schools - where do you stand?

[Dery]

I'm suprised no one has suggested banning schools, colleges and universities 

[Clarke]

43 minutes ago, Dery said:

I'm suprised no one has suggested banning schools, colleges and universities 

 

wrong forum, maybe it happens among the passionate bunch

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Dery said:

I'm suprised no one has suggested banning schools, colleges and universities 

Follow the sloganeering 

#NoHijabNoKitaab. There are banners everywhere all over India. Hijab is first priority for some, education is next

[Trichromatic]

7 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Follow the sloganeering 

#NoHijabNoKitaab. There are banners everywhere all over India. Hijab is first priority for some, education is next

 

Not at all.

[Clarke]

This thread tells us why such issues resonate in elections. Simple to understand and decide which camp one is on, draw hard lines on fweedom and constitooshan and what not. Compare that to lets say the annual budget. Outside of tax deductions and specific subsidy, most if not all of us wouldn't comprehend its collective impact on our lives. 

Edited February 14, 2022 by Clarke

[coffee_rules]

This was a really sad, feel bad for the girls. First of all , the parents are covering up even 5 year olds. Plus the admin (stupid lady) s making them uncover in front of all. Why can’t they follow status quo, if it was removed inside classrooms , then let it be. Really stupid people handling this controversy 

 

. Court has clearly said no religious symbols are allowed in schools until court decision 

Edited February 14, 2022 by coffee_rules

[rkt.india]

15 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Why do govt schools need a common rule? 

 

Why shouldn't a govt school be given free hand to make a decision to allow something if they feel that it will affect majority of students? 

 

For ex - if a school is in a muslim majority area where most of girls wear hijab, admin can decide that allowing hijab will crucial in bringing them to school and they should be free to make such decision. 

 

I don't understand need for one solution fitting all. 

Education is to make people progressive. If they still want to be regressive, they have madarsas for that. Can go there.

[ravishingravi]

4 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

No, in a secular state, the rights of an individual has the top most priority. And state should make it sure that no one is allowed to usurp the personal liberty of an individual. Therefore, if any private business or school is allowed to run, then government has to make sure that they are not making any rules which violate the personal liberty of an individual. Secondly, government has the duty to make sure that no double standards regarding different religions should pop up in the private institutions too, which target only one religion. 

In the western secular countries, thus only Niqab is banned in the schools and the colleges, and it was not in name of "privatization", but in the name of "security".  Rest, no other private Institution or business is allowed to demand to remove the Hijab (if it doesn't hinder the job). If any private institution or business or office shows any discrimination on the bases of Hijab, then the charges will be put against them for committing a crime. 

 

On the scale of Wisdom too, it is a foolish move to ban only the Hijab, while allowing all other religious markers in the private institution. This will only push the moderate Muslims too towards the radicalization. 

 

1) States are not secular. Constitutions are. India has a secular constitution. If something non secular has been committed, then tell me specific provisions of constitution been violated. Even for that there is a judicial course.  I expect the govt to follow the constitution which has application for its citizens, companies, private bodies which operate within the framework that protects all their rights. Individual rights doesn't trump institutions. Each one has its own place. 

 

2) You need to check your information. Burkha is banned in Switzerland and France, among other countries. Not barred from school. Its outright banned. Now, you can take this convenient justification of security to your colonial fathers. 

 

3) On the scale of wisdom, its foolish to actually use so many words with being able to establish first principles. Merely identifying as a rationalist is not good enough. Sometimes one must show rationale.

 

 

[dial_100]

On 2/11/2022 at 6:17 AM, Yoda-esque said:

So if a school has a uniform, allow them to do what they want?

Allow them to have own rules for everything?

That is not what I said. I said outside of school and colleges, one can wear whatever they prefer.

 

School uniform must be strictly followed. It is a slippery slope when exceptions are granted. 

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

 

1) States are not secular. Constitutions are. India has a secular constitution. If something non secular has been committed, then tell me specific provisions of constitution been violated. Even for that there is a judicial course.  I expect the govt to follow the constitution which has application for its citizens, companies, private bodies which operate within the framework that protects all their rights. Individual rights doesn't trump institutions. Each one has its own place. 

 

2) You need to check your information. Burkha is banned in Switzerland and France, among other countries. Not barred from school. Its outright banned. Now, you can take this convenient justification of security to your colonial fathers. 

3) On the scale of wisdom, its foolish to actually use so many words with being able to establish first principles. Merely identifying as a rationalist is not good enough. Sometimes one must show rationale.

 

I am afraid that you are mislead by the Indian newspapers, who use the word Burqa ban in France or Switzerland. While actually, there is no ban upon Burqa if the face is not covered. This means, the ban is only upon the face covering and it is due to the security reasons. 

 

French schools banned the head-scarfs too for the Muslim girls. But it is not limited to head-scarfs only, but all the religious markers (indiscriminately) have been banned, e.g. Jewish cap, Sikh turbans, Hindu Tilk or Mangalsutras, Christian crosses etc. 

 

But what Indian RW is try to achieve, it is totally different from the French law. It is based upon the discrimination only against the Muslim girls, where only they are forced to remove their religious marker, but rest of the people are allowed to use their religious markers. 

 

This discrimination is against the Rationale and thus pushing the moderate Muslims too towards the radical Islam, and these double standards of RW Hidutva is also pushing the Indian Secularists in the Muslim camp in opposing these double standards. 

 

And there is hardly any difference when we talk about the constitution and the state. It is the responsibility of the state to impose the constitution with it's spirit in form of laws. Thus, Indian state should not allow any private entity to go against the constitution, and to usurp the right of liberty of the individuals (except in case where these liberties hamper the task). This is exactly the law in the western countries and thus Muslim girls are allowed to take Hijab, but no face-coverings. 

 

[dial_100]

9 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

No, in a secular state, the rights of an individual has the top most priority. And state should make it sure that no one is allowed to usurp the personal liberty of an individual. Therefore, if any private business or school is allowed to run, then government has to make sure that they are not making any rules which violate the personal liberty of an individual. Secondly, government has the duty to make sure that no double standards regarding different religions should pop up in the private institutions too, which target only one religion. 

In the western secular countries, thus only Niqab is banned in the schools and the colleges, and it was not in name of "privatization", but in the name of "security".  Rest, no other private Institution or business is allowed to demand to remove the Hijab (if it doesn't hinder the job). If any private institution or business or office shows any discrimination on the bases of Hijab, then the charges will be put against them for committing a crime. 

 

On the scale of Wisdom too, it is a foolish move to ban only the Hijab, while allowing all other religious markers in the private institution. This will only push the moderate Muslims too towards the radicalization. 

 

Nothing is absolute. Stop fighting for trivial things so that we can focus on major things. Lets talk about how stupid left parties have vastly left muslims uneducated, poor and used them as vote bank.

 

I feel 19-20% population is such a large number that it could affect India's GDP by 1+% or even much more. Why dont you leftist drive more constructive campaigns than these useless matters. Why education is not your focus? Why do you care about religion outfit over uniform that too in another country?

 

I want best education, best facilities and best jobs for Muslim girls, Boys also but they at least have some representation. But vast majority dont get educated, do menial jobs. Uneducated women lead to uneducated society and it is too risky in this modern time.

[coffee_rules]

Totally planted videos springing up all over SM to cause outrage. Look at camera angles and one teacher is even smiling visibly inside the mask as well

 

 

[mishra]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Totally planted videos springing up all over SM to cause outrage. Look at camera angles and one teacher is even smiling visibly inside the mask as well

 

 

 Person who can not identify niqaab is oppresssive isn’t mentally developed enough to teach kids or compatible to modern age. If she can’t stand for herself on such basic issue how can she impart independent objective thoughts.

[coffee_rules]

12 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Not at all.

The students insisted on wearing hijab for exams and when refused, they walked away saying Hijab / Religion is more important than education. I don’t think there is any Hindu or any other religion with such blind conviction towards religion, that they would refuse to write exams or f they don’t have their way.

 

[coffee_rules]

After a Icecream cover analogy for Hijab was some falana YouTuber. AIMIM leader Waris Pathan says Hijab is like screen protector which saves your phones

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Expert Liar for BBC. Islamic Terrorism is a myth because Terrorism has no religion, But Hindu students chanting JSR at a Muslim woman who taunted them with AhuA and returned home safely , are Saffron Terrorists

 

This lowlife Charity chorni is really upset with Hindus after she was caught stealing Zakat money

Edited February 16, 2022 by coffee_rules

[ravishingravi]

 

[maniac]

First Hijab, then sharia, then Pakistan. Isn’t that how it works?

[diga]

16 minutes ago, maniac said:

First Hijab, then sharia, then Pakistan. Isn’t that how it works?

there is no point of return after one reaches a critical mass , say 20% of the population, 

[someone]

This is secularism worst fears. Muslims having a voice and their opinions publicly seen.

 

Under so called secular governments, they can make backdoor deals, or even blackmail them. While with BJP governments, they will speak out, and that includes regressive opinions as well. Hijab cannot be banned, as it's everywhere around the India. Yet, now it has been justified, and praised, and that will hurt every tolerant or progressive individual of the country. It is be an eye-opener to many naive people of our country.

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by someone