Is England's declaration smart or suicidal?

[sage]

Willing to risk it all on a road offering 343 in 4 sessions after scoring 1000 runs at 7 RPO

Edited December 4, 2022 by sage

[Number]

Allah meherbaan toh gadha bhi pahalwan

 

Babar is prime example of this

[figo6762]

That pitch is flat as hell .. Poyz will fancy this one 

[Lord]

brave. If Pak chase 343, they deserve to win.

 

Our TM can never think like that.

[Adamant]

Looks like Stokes went through videos of matches where the GOAT ASIAN TEST CAPTAIN led India to glory. 

 

He has taken a lot of pointers from Viart Kohli. 

[Number]

49 minutes ago, Lord said:

 If Pak chase 343, they deserve to win.

 

No most sides will make 350 on this track against this bowling in 4 sessions.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Number said:

 

No most sides will make 350 on this track against this bowling in 4 sessions.

they are already effectively 3 down.

 

Need 263 in max 75 overs tomorrow.Eng can always bowl dry if needed

[Sgattick10]

Oversmart decision 

[MechEng]

Superb declaration. England knew well that had they chose to bowl tomorrow, Pakistan would have shut the shop and played for a draw.

 

They declared early enough to force Pakistan to play attacking cricket, which may increase the chances of them getting wickets.

 

Win or lose, amazing mindset from Brits here!

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

Looks like Stokes went through videos of matches where the GOAT ASIAN TEST CAPTAIN led India to glory. 

 

He has taken a lot of pointers from Viart Kohli. 

Kolhi or for that matter any Indian captain will sh!t his pant in taking such a huge risk on a flat pitch as this.

[Vijy]

it is not a smart decision right now, but could prove to be a great one in hindsight. match is evenly poised as of now, pak slightly ahead.

[R!TTER]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Suicidal.Eng are taking risks and putting their batsmen and bowlers under pressure but also forcing them to raise their game ,it can backfire but players can also improve their ability under such an environment.

 

Contrast that with us ,the reason we dont produce pace bowlers is because we are too pragmatic .In domestic cricket the thing to do is to bowl according to the conditions and just bowl slowly and dont allow the batsman to time the ball ,but one cant develop with such a smart approach.

It's different for tests, you can't just strike your way out of trouble every time! You think we chased so many totals at home, from mid 2k - early 2010's just because of Sehwag or VVS? The pitches were super flat & we had no DRS back then, on helpful surfaces you must have a game to keep the good balls away, or to leave them otherwise you end up like Engurland last year 

 

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Team	Score	Overs	RPO	Lead	Inns	Result		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
England	178	46.3	3.82	419	3	won		v India	Chennai	5 Feb 2021
England	164	54.2	3.01	-317	4	lost		v India	Chennai	13 Feb 2021
England	135	54.5	2.46	-25	3	lost		v India	Ahmedabad	4 Mar 2021
England	134	59.5	2.23	-195	2	lost		v India	Chennai	13 Feb 2021
England	112	48.4	2.30	112	1	lost		v India	Ahmedabad	24 Feb 2021
England	81	30.4	2.64	48	3	lost		v India	Ahmedabad	24 Feb 2021

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

Playing like this they can collapse on any pitch,that just comes with the territory.

Yes but not everyone's gonna provide them with Pak like roads, or sh!t Dukes balls that need to be changed 5 times a day, so the odds of them pulling this through against better teams are dubiously slim. Moreover when you start playing this style you lose the ability/patience to survive good balls/spells longer term, this is what happened to Sehwag in his latter years when he started playing T20 like in tests! Post 2007/08 Oz tour he has a ridiculous S/R in tests, IIRC close to 100 right till his slump in mid 2011 against Eng. He never recovered after that even at home. You might argue it had something to do with his age as well but IMO the T20's & overaggressive approach hastened his demise.

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Sehwag (IND)	2008-2011	33	59	3	3253	319	58.08	3463	93.93	9	14	3	463	41
TM Dilshan (SL)	2008-2011	25	41	3	2007	193	52.81	2506	80.08	8	6	4	230	15
BB McCullum (NZ)	2008-2011	28	52	3	2116	225	43.18	3378	62.64	4	13	4	255	29
RT Ponting (AUS)	2008-2010	36	66	2	2587	209	40.42	4219	61.31	5	17	6	309	14
KP Pietersen (ENG)	2008-2011	41	64	3	2804	227	45.96	4667	60.08	7	13	4	345	16
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2008-2011	28	51	1	2177	154*	43.54	3625	60.05	5	12	0	288	23
GC Smith (SA)	2008-2011	30	51	4	2615	232	55.63	4401	59.41	9	10	3	316	8
TT Samaraweera (SL)	2008-2011	26	44	11	2475	231	75.00	4423	55.95	7	14	4	313	6
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2008-2011	26	46	3	2396	219	55.72	4399	54.46	9	10	0	274	6
SR Tendulkar (IND)	2008-2011	31	53	7	2910	214	63.26	5376	54.12	12	10	1	341	17

[Lord]

Meanwhile Tony

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-west-indies-2011-489197/west-indies-vs-india-3rd-test-489228/full-scorecard

[zen]

Gone with “smart” as Eng is probably looking to remove draws out of its games. It wants to win even at a risk of losing, a mindset/approach that would work well in the long term. 
 

 

[khadekhademaaro]

Very smart. They have nothing to lose in the WTC.  A loss here would not hurt when you are pushing for a win. England have challenged the benign conditions to push for a result. Massive respect and an awesome approach to the game.

 

Stokes is a once in a generation cricketer !!

[ThirtyD.]

They’re trying to promote a certain brand of cricket, so at times they may look foolish but at least it’s an attempt. Also, this way they’re putting their mouths where the money is. It is very unlike Indian cricket who have no *ing idea what they’re going to do in the next game forget next years World Cup. This current team and its setup is so difficult follow and like.

[zen]

Eng asks itself that from this position how to win the game. If a risky declaration is the answer, so be it! 

 

[Laaloo]

6 hours ago, Lord said:

Meanwhile Tony

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-west-indies-2011-489197/west-indies-vs-india-3rd-test-489228/full-scorecard

This one was atrocious especially with rain predicted 

 

mofo setting a 617 target. This game along with bowling Suresh Raina in South Africa so they would declare was the beginning of the downfall of thalas test captaincy 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-new-zealand-2008-09-366616/new-zealand-vs-india-3rd-test-366629/full-scorecard

 

[R!TTER]

Kinda forgot this one, we should've easily won that series 2-nil if not for the *ing process master 

 

He'd use this excuse for the next 10 years, without fail