Indian team is now the Indian coterie.

[SandeepMotta]

The Indian team has been reduced to Indian coterie with non deserving players playing despite continuous failures and the pathetic TM encouraging the likes ok KL while players like Kuldeep are dropped even after match winning performances. 

 

If this continues we will see this team slide even further after almost getting humiliated by Bangladesh.

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, SandeepMotta said:

The Indian team has been reduced to Indian coterie with non deserving players playing despite continuous failures and the pathetic TM encouraging the likes ok KL while players like Kuldeep are dropped even after match winning performances. 

 

If this continues we will see this team slide even further after almost getting humiliated by Bangladesh.

it is a cabal, more so than coterie

[sandeep]

Good to see more and more folks waking up to this - if anything its been a cabal since 2017 and I was tired of being the only one moaning about Kuptaan Wrogn and his shenanigans with team "building".  

 

In reality, the cabal is on its last legs and the end is nigh, only problem is that its coming far too late to change India's ODI WC fate.

[Vijy]

Just now, sandeep said:

Good to see more and more folks waking up to this - if anything its been a cabal since 2017 and I was tired of being the only one moaning about Kuptaan Wrogn and his shenanigans with team "building".  

 

In reality, the cabal is on its last legs and the end is nigh, only problem is that its coming far too late to change India's ODI WC fate.

2023 ODI WC and 2024 WT20 are beyond redemption, but maybe next cycle after that will be better.

[Texan]

Indian team has become like the Congress party. Just like Congress can't get rid of the Gandhis despite their lack of results, Indian team just can't get rid of these dinosaurs like Kohli, Pujara, KL Rahul.

[vvvslaxman]

World T20 cup selection was the ultimate indication of this. Even squad selection. You know you play in Australia, Leggies were a must. Yet they went with one and they didn't play him. Dropped Bishnoi after one outing from Asia cup and promptly lost to SL. 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

World T20 cup selection was the ultimate indication of this. Even squad selection. You know you play in Australia, Leggies were a must. Yet they went with one and they didn't play him. Dropped Bishnoi after one outing from Asia cup and promptly lost to SL. 

dropped kuldeep after motm vs bangers

[raki05]

18 hours ago, sandeep said:

Good to see more and more folks waking up to this - if anything its been a cabal since 2017 and I was tired of being the only one moaning about Kuptaan Wrogn and his shenanigans with team "building".  

 

In reality, the cabal is on its last legs and the end is nigh, only problem is that its coming far too late to change India's ODI WC fate.

And yet your owner ready to take on anyone if someone reminds him of  pathetic Bhuvi bhaiya. I remember he still wants Bhuvi bhaiya to be spearhead of our loi team.

[goose]

Indian cricket has become like Bollywood. There is simply too much money to be made for incumbents to make way

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, goose said:

Indian cricket has become like Bollywood. There is simply too much money to be made for incumbents to make way

Its about maintaining and extending Marketing monopolies, or Oligopolies - It was simply not in the interests of Virat inc, that any 'young' batsman be allowed to rise to white ball batting prominence.  Hence from 2016 onwards, the only batsmen that got a shot in ODI cricket - the place where gaudy stats can be achieved at a younger age with the consistency that sets you on the road to "stardom" in India - the only players who were allowed a shot were relegated to #6 or lower in the order, where they have the thankless jobs of throwing their bats around, and almost guaranteed to have second tier stats. 

 

And not only that - only "older" players like Kedar Jadhav, Ambati Rayudu, Dinesh Karthik etc were given chances in the name of experience and 'deserves a chance'.  Why? Because marketing companies have a tendency to go after the younger guys early in their career - so players like Gill, Shaw, Iyer, Samson, etc were never given a fair shot.  Even KL Rahul was made to wait outside the "regular" ODI XI in the absolute peak prime of his form for multiple years, inspite of being a mainstay of the test XI.  Rishabh Pant should have been given a QdK style white ball role in the top order early on - but never was. 

 

Bunty Sajdeh recognized how Virat "made it big" early in his career with a string of ODI innings, and ensured that the ladder was rolled up after him, for as long as possible.  The 2 years leading up to the ODI WC is when these batsmen should have been given 15-20 ODI games batting in the top 4 so that they build a body of work, work out their individual batting method in the format, and get better at handling pressure situations.  But that did not happen, and this selfishness bit the Indian team in the semi-final.  

 

I have been calling it out since 2017 that our top order is batting 2012 style in ODIs and needed top order reshuffling to dislodge the triumvirate of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli.  I started a thread advocating Virat at #4 so that someone like Pant or KLPD could be accommodated in the top order, and tasked with batting selflessly instead of the "build platform" selfishness that Indian ODI batting displayed in 2015 to 2020, while England were strengthening their template of white ball batting.  But no, I got insults from the likes of @putrevus the Kohli Bhakt, and many others.  

 

Now when its 4-5 years too late already, people are starting to wake up.  Banjo India had its best ever bowling attack in ODI cricket and we wasted a golden chance to win the ODI WC in 2019.  It still infuriates me how the "incumbents" ran the team like a fiefdom at the expense of the team.  And there was pretty much zero accountability for them - because somehow "making it to the semi-final" in a 4 horse race is somehow good enough.  

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

And yet your owner ready to take on anyone if someone reminds him of  pathetic Bhuvi bhaiya. I remember he still wants Bhuvi bhaiya to be spearhead of our loi team.

please edit your word salad so it makes some sort of sense.

 

And btw, I have never advocated Bhuvi as "spearhead".  I like Bhuvi's bowling and am a fan - thats no secret, and he's a great 2nd pace bowler option to have when fully fit.  But little babies who apparently lack the ability to conduct a discussion where there is disagreement with logic and facts, often resort to fake strawmen to comfort themselves and declare 'victory'. 

[raki05]

18 minutes ago, sandeep said:

please edit your word salad so it makes some sort of sense.

 

And btw, I have never advocated Bhuvi as "spearhead".  I like Bhuvi's bowling and am a fan - thats no secret, and he's a great 2nd pace bowler option to have when fully fit.  But little babies who apparently lack the ability to conduct a discussion where there is disagreement with logic and facts, often resort to fake strawmen to comfort themselves and declare 'victory'. 

Looks like your owner got heart. If you like bhuvi and fan of his bowling ,same way there are few here who has liking for chokli and even kela. If we go by liking of fans, expert and commrntrators in that case there is nothing wrong with TM choosing all these  mediocre and failures ones based on their liking rather than having young potential who are still waiting for their chances. In that case your protest/crying here nothing but a sham.

Edited December 26, 2022 by raki05

[SRT100]

4 hours ago, goose said:

Indian cricket has become like Bollywood. There is simply too much money to be made for incumbents to make way

This is one of the best posts on here in 2022.

 

Yes 100% agree, I really as an "outsider" didnt understand this for a long while, now its been crystal clear that this is the case.

 

I mean an old consistently injured Rohit should not be captain in any format and yet he will be. The BCCI and TM justify their selections relying on stats.

 

Is it time we stopped looking at stats outside a year, lets only look at stats over the last 12months. Im tired of some fanboys posting stats of Dhawan in WC tournaments or how Kohli's average is still near 50 in Test Cricket, its meaningless and irrelevant. What matter is the stats over the last 12 months.

[express bowling]

44 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

 

Is it time we stopped looking at stats outside a year, lets only look at stats over the last 12months. Im tired of some fanboys posting stats of Dhawan in WC tournaments or how Kohli's average is still near 50 in Test Cricket, its meaningless and irrelevant. What matter is the stats over the last 12 months.

 

 

I have been advocating this for a long time for test matches.  Form and ability, in the last 18 to 24 months or so, has to be the key. 

 

As far as LOIs are concerned, overall stats won't do as there are lots of low profile games going on these days and some players excel there and falter in big games. Who are the guys who are performing in the more relevant games in the last 2 years, would give us a better picture  (  as just 1 year may not have that many relevant games ) 

[speedracer]

7 hours ago, raki05 said:

Looks like your owner got heart. If you like bhuvi and fan of his bowling ,same way there are few here who has liking for chokli and even kela. If we go by liking of fans, expert and commrntrators in that case there is nothing wrong with TM choosing all these  mediocre and failures ones based on their liking rather than having young potential who are still waiting for their chances. In that case your protest/crying here nothing but a sham.

Brat picked useless chipmunk looking meek servile cow dung infested bhuukake over shami is one of the most suicidal decisions we have made ever in the history of Indian cricket. We had that game in the bag. 

[SRT100]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I have been advocating this for a long time for test matches.  Form and ability, in the last 18 to 24 months or so, has to be the key. 

 

As far as LOIs are concerned, overall stats won't do as there are lots of low profile games going on these days and some players excel there and falter in big games. Who are the guys who are performing in the more relevant games in the last 2 years, would give us a better picture  (  as just 1 year may not have that many relevant games ) 

 

Apologies in advance if I am passing this as "my idea", I probably seen you post it before and forgot about it.

 

Youre so right, the mindset of looking at averages and current performance in Indian Cricket needs to be reassessed.

 

As an example Kohli career averages 49 runs. His average however over the past two years is just 27 runs. We all know this, this is no surprise to anyone but the BCCI and TM.

 

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

 

Apologies in advance if I am passing this as "my idea", I probably seen you post it before and forgot about it.

 

 

It isn't just my idea either brother. Any person, like you and I, who want consistent performances from the team, will say the same.  : )

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I have been advocating this for a long time for test matches.  Form and ability, in the last 18 to 24 months or so, has to be the key. 

 

As far as LOIs are concerned, overall stats won't do as there are lots of low profile games going on these days and some players excel there and falter in big games. Who are the guys who are performing in the more relevant games in the last 2 years, would give us a better picture  (  as just 1 year may not have that many relevant games ) 

yeah, and that's why it is good to give some in-form players "A" tours along with special talents. "A" teams should not be for washed-out seniors collecting their pensions.

 

to offer a specific example in batting, one can try patidar, rinku, sarfaraz (in-form players) vs dhull, jasiwal, and maybe 1-2 youngsters. there should be no place for likes of rahane, chepu, etc

[Jamadagni]

23 hours ago, raki05 said:

Looks like your owner got heart. If you like bhuvi and fan of his bowling ,same way there are few here who has liking for chokli and even kela. If we go by liking of fans, expert and commrntrators in that case there is nothing wrong with TM choosing all these  mediocre and failures ones based on their liking rather than having young potential who are still waiting for their chances. In that case your protest/crying here nothing but a sham.

 

Top post. About time that poster is put in his place. 

[Vijy]

On 12/26/2022 at 2:04 PM, SRT100 said:

This is one of the best posts on here in 2022.

 

Yes 100% agree, I really as an "outsider" didnt understand this for a long while, now its been crystal clear that this is the case.

 

I mean an old consistently injured Rohit should not be captain in any format and yet he will be. The BCCI and TM justify their selections relying on stats.

 

Is it time we stopped looking at stats outside a year, lets only look at stats over the last 12months. Im tired of some fanboys posting stats of Dhawan in WC tournaments or how Kohli's average is still near 50 in Test Cricket, its meaningless and irrelevant. What matter is the stats over the last 12 months.

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