Prakat Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 The Australian Strategic Policy Institute said its study showed that, in some fields, all of the world's top 10 research institutions are based in China. Missile destroyer Suzhou of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy returns to a military port in Zhejiang Province on 15 November 2022. China is leading the world in most critical technology areas, including defence, space and energy. Source: Getty / Xinhua News Agency China has a "stunning lead" in 37 out of 44 critical and emerging technologies as Western democracies lose a global competition for research output, a security think tank said on Thursday after tracking defence, space, energy and biotechnology. The study, funded by the United States State Department, found the United States was often second-ranked, although it led global research in high-performance computing, quantum computing, small satellites and vaccines. "Western democracies are losing the global technological competition, including the race for scientific and research breakthroughs," the report said, urging greater research investment by governments. China had established a "stunning lead in high-impact research" under government programs. The report called for democratic nations to collaborate more often to create secure supply chains and "rapidly pursue a strategic critical technology step-up". ASPI tracked the most-cited scientific papers, which it said are the most likely to result in patents. China's surprise breakthrough in hypersonic missiles in 2021 would have been identified earlier if China's strong research had been detected, it said. "Over the past five years, China generated 48.49% of the world's high-impact research papers into advanced aircraft engines, including hypersonics, and it hosts seven of the world's top 10 research institutions," it said. In the fields of photonic sensors and quantum communication, China's research strength could result in it "going dark" to the surveillance of western intelligence, including the "Five Eyes" of Britain, the United States, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, it said. National talent flows of researchers were also tracked and monopoly risks were identified. China was likely to emerge with a monopoly in 10 fields including synthetic biology, where it produces one-third of all research, as well as electric batteries, 5G, and nano manufacturing. The Chinese Academy of Sciences, a government research body, ranked first or second in most of the 44 technologies tracked, which spanned defence, space, robotics, energy, the environment, biotechnology, artificial intelligence (AI), advanced materials and quantum technology. China was bolstering its research with knowledge gained overseas, and the data showed one-fifth of the top Chinese researchers were trained in a Five Eyes country, it said. The study recommended visa screening programs to limit illegal technology transfers and instead favour international collaboration with security allies. Australia's universities have said they are complying with foreign influence laws designed to stop the illegal transfer of technology to China, but also noted international collaboration is an integral part of university research. sauce: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/china-takes-stunning-lead-in-global-competition-for-critical-technology-report-says/qb74z1nt2 zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 This is more of a fundraising exercise than a genuine risk raised. Quantity of 'research papers' != actual quality. I mean, yes, because of the wholesale shameless sell-off of manufacturing infrastructure by the executive caste in the west, the Chinese have a genuine shot at fostering innovation as a whole, from the ground up. But in terms of cutting edge sci-tech? That's a different ball of wax. Along with espionage and some well funded hard work, the CCP led Chinese have made proper strides, but 'stunning lead' is very close to almost total BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakat Posted March 18, 2023 Author Share Posted March 18, 2023 Interesting and eye-opening nuance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Gap is freducing but US is still most advanced and will continue to remain so in atleast next 2 decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 China is doing real well. There is no reason for India to be far behind but bureaucracy is the issue. Prakat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Stunning lead might be an understatement now. They are ahead of the curve. Trump will sober down very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jf1gp_1 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 4/5/2023 at 6:24 PM, mishra said: Gap is freducing but US is still most advanced and will continue to remain so in atleast next 2 decades. In two decades all American men would be women and women will be men. India will bypass them by then. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 China, as a civilization and culture made a conscious choice 40 years ago to become the army ant of the world: If u can build it and sell it, we will do it too and do it better than you. That is the motto of Chinese society. Now, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that in this material universe, if you make your sole focus to be maker of materials, even if u start with just safety pins and lapels, you will eventually become the vidhaataa of making things and will eventually be the top dog of innovating in the sector of making things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 China is the real deal. While India is stuck with her intellectuals promoting "cow urine", chinese intellectuals are helping their country stand toe to toe with USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Dumeels who are Chinese agents propagandists pushing such narrative. They don’t like a developed India. Traitors of the highest order as described by General Rawat - Dhai Morcha ka war. internal enemies are worse than external ones. "Two-and-a-half front war": A term used by Rawat to describe the potential scenario of facing aggression from Pakistan in the west, China in the north, and internal insurgencies within India simultaneously. Edited January 25 by coffee_rules G_B_ and ravishingravi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Map of Naxal-Maoist conflicts in India. 7 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Dumeels who are Chinese agents propagandists pushing such narrative. They don’t like a developed India. Traitors of the highest order as described by General Rawat - Dhai Morcha ka war. internal enemies are worse than external ones. "Two-and-a-half front war": A term used by Rawat to describe the potential scenario of facing aggression from Pakistan in the west, China in the north, and internal insurgencies within India simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 India in response has launched another ladli behen seva yojana under able leadership of Vishwaguru. With just above 5% growth rate. We will catch up with them post a nuclear armageddon. Long live Vasudev Kutumbukum Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Issue most people missing. Champions of industry not willing to invest in R&D. India remains a cost consious market in which innovation is not recognised. Focus more on surviving in market. Its why Suzuki too focuses on price. Their cars outside Indua better quality for more price. China has right blend of private and public investment. Their salaries are still **** though. coffee_rules, Vicks57 and someone 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 24 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Issue most people missing. Champions of industry not willing to invest in R&D. India remains a cost consious market in which innovation is not recognised. Focus more on surviving in market. Its why Suzuki too focuses on price. Their cars outside Indua better quality for more price. China has right blend of private and public investment. Their salaries are still **** though. India is just useless in semiconductor industry. We have absolutely nothing so far. All these IIT guys are good for only working for earning money abroad. They love to work onshore or they will keep saying "I am an IIT graduate" as if it's their whole personality. I mean look at Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella. Both of them have not started a company on their own even in USA. They are comfortable working for their American masters as CEO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I think see.. China went through a phase of replicating basic items well at lower cost in the 90s and 00s. They then went through a phase of replicating complex items for less in 00s to 20s. Now are leading in sectors like electric vehicles to high speed trains to nuclear power. They are trying to catch up in aviation. There have been mistakes along the way. High speed trains for eg are a huge white elephant. Had china diverted resources to aviation we would have rival to boeing and airbus. Point is that out of 10 gambles 2 to 3 will pay off. Vietnam is in phase 1. They dont have scale of china so are looking to tourism etc to sustain long term. India is not even in phase 1. You cant just goto the final stage. Textiles is one sector india should be dominating. Instead we barely have seen much growth. So there is no point in these china taking xyz lead what is indis doing etc. Focus on phase 1. someone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) Wrong thread. Edited January 27 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) On 1/26/2025 at 3:56 PM, Vicks57 said: India is just useless in semiconductor industry. We have absolutely nothing so far. All these IIT guys are good for only working for earning money abroad. They love to work onshore or they will keep saying "I am an IIT graduate" as if it's their whole personality. I mean look at Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella. Both of them have not started a company on their own even in USA. They are comfortable working for their American masters as CEO. You are being dishonest here... Look up Tejas networks, cosmic circuits , saankya labs or even zomato .... There are many startups working on semiconductor/AI and providing jobs. By nature they are risky business. Only 1 in 50 succeed Edited January 28 by diga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Guys we built our own Chatgpt and Deepseek. Aravind Srinivas is our own lad from IIT Chennai - brain behind Perplexity which is as good as deepseek. Its a shame that he chose not to set this up in India. Why are India's best tech brains not building in India ? It is a indictment on the environment and ecosystem. The only startups you here mostly from India are bloody food delivery and grocery delivery apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 30 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Guys we built our own Chatgpt and Deepseek. Aravind Srinivas is our own lad from IIT Chennai - brain behind Perplexity which is as good as deepseek. Its a shame that he chose not to set this up in India. Why are India's best tech brains not building in India ? It is a indictment on the environment and ecosystem. The only startups you here mostly from India are bloody food delivery and grocery delivery apps. Perplexity is built on top of GPT. It is not the same. Anyway, we have atleast one co- founder in this space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said: Guys we built our own Chatgpt and Deepseek. Aravind Srinivas is our own lad from IIT Chennai - brain behind Perplexity which is as good as deepseek. Its a shame that he chose not to set this up in India. Why are India's best tech brains not building in India ? It is a indictment on the environment and ecosystem. The only startups you here mostly from India are bloody food delivery and grocery delivery apps. If uninformed dumb folks like @Vicks57 say this then I understand. But you are way smarter. Check last 20 unicorns. Check next 30 potential unicorns an year or so away. Right from renewable to biotech to cloud computing and space there is whole variety of start ups. Not even mentioning Fintech which top of line by any standards. Laggard of 60 years won't get wiped out in 10-15 years. This is all built up in last 10 years. I am an investor in these start ups. I know where it's heading in next 5 years. China is miles ahead but India is slowly building pace. This competition between US and China only aids us. Vickydev and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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