Is China still a developing country?

[Trichromatic]

When will it become developed country?

[ravishingravi]

41 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

When will it become developed country?

 

By all parameters especially on PPP, it is not.  But it helps to keep this charade going. 

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

 

By all parameters especially on PPP, it is not.  But it helps to keep this charade going. 

 

Which charade?

[zen]

With a PPP per capita of around $25k, overall, I would slot it as developing though some of its areas would be highly developed. It is a case of being both developed and developing at the same time. 
 

PS For reference, rough PPP per capita:

 

Japan $50k

Russia $44k

Greece $41k

Chile $33k
Argentina $30k

Costa Rica $28k

Brazil $21k

South Africa $16k

Sri Lanka $14k
India $10k

Edited September 21, 2024 by zen

[Tillu]

If you look at the jaw dropping infrastructure videos of China on YouTube, you wouldn't get the impression that China is still a developing country.

 

They are so far ahead of even western countries when it comes to the quality infrastructure there. Ultimately people want a better quality of life and the Chinese government is providing it.

[jf1gp_1]

they definitely are way ahead of most developed countries in terms of infrastructure but what about fundamental rights.

[Lone Wolf]

10 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

they definitely are way ahead of most developed countries in terms of infrastructure but what about fundamental rights.

I reckon ethnic Hans enjoy decent enough freedom.  They get best of healthcare, education and infrastructure.   Yes some sacrifices got to be made along the way to bring China to where it is now.

It being a homogeneous society makes it easier.

 

Dumbocracy & lawlessness go hand in hand in bigger land mass and population.

Choose your poison.

[Ranvir]

On 9/21/2024 at 3:06 PM, jf1gp_1 said:

they definitely are way ahead of most developed countries in terms of infrastructure but what about fundamental rights.

You can't give democracy to masses of illiterate uneducated people. It's like asking your 10 year old child about important decisions in your household. 

 

Democracy has been a disaster for India, the population has almost quadrupled in the past 80 years. The main goal of each elected party is to get re-elected in 5 years not to work together to improve the country as a whole. The masses of uneducated people are easy to manipulate with alcohol being handed out on election days. 

[Nikhil_cric]

On 9/21/2024 at 7:50 PM, Lone Wolf said:

I reckon ethnic Hans enjoy decent enough freedom.  They get best of healthcare, education and infrastructure.   Yes some sacrifices got to be made along the way to bring China to where it is now.

It being a homogeneous society makes it easier.

 

Dumbocracy & lawlessness go hand in hand in bigger land mass and population.

Choose your poison.

Have come to this conclusion too. Democracy is overrated when most of your populace lacks the ability to think critically. 

 

China got it right. 

[Sandz]

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103644930

[Number]

 

This is China's lowest class train. They too have issues due to overpopulation but it looks a little better than Indian General Bogey due to AC and obviously no Gutka Pigs.

[Number]

On 9/21/2024 at 7:50 PM, Lone Wolf said:

I reckon ethnic Hans enjoy decent enough freedom.  They get best of healthcare, education and infrastructure.   Yes some sacrifices got to be made along the way to bring China to where it is now.

It being a homogeneous society makes it easier.

 

Dumbocracy & lawlessness go hand in hand in bigger land mass and population.

Choose your poison.

Sanjay Gandhi was the hero we needed but didn't deserve.

[Lone Wolf]

20 minutes ago, Number said:

Sanjay Gandhi was the hero we needed but didn't deserve.

I get traumatized thinking about it

[Sandz]

3 hours ago, Number said:

 

 

This is China's lowest class train. They too have issues due to overpopulation but it looks a little better than Indian General Bogey due to AC and obviously no Gutka Pigs.

It’s looks much much much better and cleaner that India general class trains, there is no comparison. 

[coffee_rules]

6 hours ago, Number said:

Sanjay Gandhi was the hero we needed but didn't deserve.

Nah, more likely blame is India getting apolitical military leaders after partition and Pakistan got the ones that were polically drunk with power. We never had a military govt until say 1975, but for that we should have had some military leaders who could turn the country to a dictatorship with a judiciary that could be pliable. Communists of India were phattus who pledged allegiance to China/Russia and they wanted India to be part of China. 

Edited September 23, 2024 by coffee_rules

[Number]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Nah, more likely blame is India getting apolitical military leaders after partition and Pakistan got the ones that were polically drunk with power. We never had a military govt until say 1975, but for that we should have had some military leaders who could turn the country to a dictatorship with a judiciary that could be pliable. Communists of India were phattus who pledged allegiance to China/Russia and they wanted India to be part of China. 

I was in a tounge in cheek way hinting towards the sterilisation program he carried out.

It was the most despicable thing which even dicators won't think of trying but desperate times needed desperate measures.

[Vijy]

On 9/22/2024 at 5:54 PM, Ranvir said:

You can't give democracy to masses of illiterate uneducated people. It's like asking your 10 year old child about important decisions in your household. 

 

Democracy has been a disaster for India, the population has almost quadrupled in the past 80 years. The main goal of each elected party is to get re-elected in 5 years not to work together to improve the country as a whole. The masses of uneducated people are easy to manipulate with alcohol being handed out on election days. 

don't forget the shameless money transfers, freebies offered, etc. all just before elections, and taken away immediately afterwards.

[G_B_]

I dont think democracy is the issue. Democracy-lite countries like South Korea and Taiwan are miles ahead of China.

 

Key issue is economic policies. China had their 1991 moment in 1978. That is 13 years ahead of India. 10,000 ppp compounded by 7% gdp growth and 1% population growth will result in a ppp of 22000 in 13 years. So i can say based on current trajectory india is 15 years behind where china is today based on the ppp metric.

 

Had the Taiwanese nationalists won over Mao's communists china would have had higher gdp ppp per capita than western Europe. Had poland not been lost to communism from 1950 to 1990 many think it would be the richest country in Europe today. The Economic policies matter. The India you see today is still paying the price for Indira Gandhi's basket case economic policies in the 70s.

[Teengunalagaan]

Yes, it will remain a developing country at least for the next decade, if you look at their economy you would think it should be classified as a developed economy; however, if you look at the per capita it's an upper middle income country, also there are still issues in China regarding Poverty, but still they should be in the last stages of being a developing country, we would continue to see exponential increase in the improvement in quality of life in China.

 

I think this will be a topic of discussion as being a developing country also comes with perks of a developing nation when it comes to trade, subsidies, which China is taking advantage of, they would want to continue to be considered as a developing nation. This issue would continue to get more attention over the next few years especially in US

Edited December 30, 2024 by Teengunalagaan

[Stan AF]

Worry about india first