Countdown to Shikhar Dhawan's Career End. Should be his last year.....

[maniac]

14 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Dhawan didn't play 10 matches in wc. So don't know how you cooked that. Would rather have someone like kohli or someone down the order use the deliveries than rahane even if  rahane was poor in t20 earlier too. It is not like we were getting anything better.

That was a hypothetical example....Dhawan was in atrocious for leading up to the semis,so for a crucial game they changed things around,so what is wrong with that?

[express bowling]

9 hours ago, Cricketics said:

Just of rush of blood for people who are excited to see new talent doing well and fanboyim for a particular player. Not long ago Rihit was suckinng momentumt by batting slow up the order and Shikhar would have to pick the rr alone or get out. To Rohit's credit, he would pick up run rate later when batting with the other top order players and middle order but he used to wait till way late. Dhawan is the prime example of an opener of what he should be looking to do for the team. I would happily keep him around for now unless he has an extremely poor run. 

 

The main issue here is that ODIs have changed a lot in the last 2 years or thereabouts. We are getting much bigger scores and  all good teams have introduced high SR batsmen both as one of the openers as well as a couple of finishers. Having just high average batsmen is not enough these days.  SR plays a big part as really big scores are being notched up much more regularly.

 

We Indians have a team where ALL our batters have either mediocre or low SRs by modern standards.  Now, we need 3 such batters, who have high averages, to hold the innings together and tackle quality bowling, like Kohli.....BUT all batters cannot be such.  

 

Look at the high SRs of opening ODI batsmen in the last 2 years.... all good teams have atleast ONE  high SR ( above 100 )  opener and most have good to decent averages too.  We have none and this aspect needs to be rectified.

 

We must think from the point of view of team composition and not individual players.  BOTH  Rohit and Dhawan are mediocre SR batters and their recent  averages have been embellished by high scores on the last Australian ODI tour when the Aussies tried out inexperienced and often mediocre  seamers throughout that tour.

 

SRs of opening batsmen in ODIs in the last 2 years against non-minnows --

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
BB McCullum (NZ)	2015-2016	25	25	0	826	117	33.04	539	153.24	1	6	3	106	41
Soumya Sarkar (BDESH)	2015-2015	6	6	2	369	127*	92.25	338	109.17	1	2	0	50	8
Q de Kock (SA)	2015-2016	24	24	3	927	178	44.14	883	104.98	3	3	1	107	24
JJ Roy (ENG)	2015-2016	31	31	2	1109	162	38.24	1069	103.74	3	5	3	129	14
DA Warner (AUS)	2015-2016	28	28	2	1453	173	55.88	1413	102.83	7	4	0	163	17
MDKJ Perera (SL)	2015-2016	17	17	0	485	116	28.52	483	100.41	1	3	1	48	12
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2015-2016	39	39	5	1837	237*	54.02	1830	100.38	5	10	4	187	66
AD Hales (ENG)	2015-2016	27	27	1	1132	171	43.53	1153	98.17	4	6	2	127	24
AJ Finch (AUS)	2015-2016	30	29	1	802	135	28.64	841	95.36	1	6	4	94	21
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2015-2016	24	24	1	1242	171*	54.00	1304	95.24	5	4	2	106	38
HM Amla (SA)	2015-2016	28	28	3	1280	153*	51.20	1382	92.61	5	5	1	144	13
IR Bell (ENG)	2015-2015	7	7	0	305	141	43.57	333	91.59	1	1	1	36	1
TM Dilshan (SL)	2015-2016	28	26	1	1182	161*	47.28	1337	88.40	3	6	1	133	7
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2015-2016	22	22	0	914	137	41.54	1036	88.22	2	6	0	108	9
J Charles (WI)	2015-2016	15	15	0	340	83	22.66	389	87.40	0	1	1	35	10
TWM Latham (NZ)	2015-2016	15	15	1	460	137	32.85	554	83.03	1	3	1	41	7
HDRL Thirimanne (SL)	2015-2015	7	7	1	361	139*	60.16	435	82.98	1	2	0	33	3
Azhar Ali (PAK)	2015-2016	19	19	0	783	101	41.21	972	80.55	2	3	1	75	5

 

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Edited January 11, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

 

We are suffering equally on the finisher front.....no high SR finishers compared to the rest of the world

 

The list below shows SRs of ODI  finishers in the last 2 years against non-minnows - No Indians above 100 and every good team has atleast one.  No Indian above 94 even.

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AD Russell (WI)	2015-2015	9	9	2	226	64*	32.28	137	164.96	0	1	2	19	17
AB de Villiers (SA)	2015-2016	7	6	4	432	162*	216.00	286	151.04	2	2	0	44	17
GJ Maxwell (AUS)	2015-2016	21	18	2	570	102	35.62	446	127.80	1	3	4	70	13
L Ronchi (NZ)	2015-2016	36	28	4	546	170*	22.75	456	119.73	1	0	4	44	21
JC Buttler (ENG)	2015-2016	29	25	4	813	129	38.71	709	114.66	1	5	2	72	18
DA Miller (SA)	2015-2016	18	15	3	593	130*	49.41	527	112.52	2	1	1	54	16
TAM Siriwardana (SL)	2015-2016	14	11	1	281	66	28.10	254	110.62	0	2	0	23	8
MS Wade (AUS)	2015-2016	26	22	5	611	76	35.94	577	105.89	0	5	0	50	16
BA Stokes (ENG)	2015-2016	23	22	3	752	101	39.57	723	104.01	1	5	2	66	23
Shoaib Malik (PAK)	2015-2016	13	13	3	373	55*	37.30	368	101.35	0	3	0	22	13
GD Elliott (NZ)	2015-2016	27	25	5	836	104*	41.80	839	99.64	1	5	2	65	20
Imad Wasim (PAK)	2015-2016	11	9	4	208	63*	41.60	210	99.04	0	2	0	20	2
MJ Santner (NZ)	2015-2016	20	16	6	328	48	32.80	337	97.32	0	0	1	26	10
MR Marsh (AUS)	2015-2016	26	24	5	695	79*	36.57	720	96.52	0	6	3	65	18
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2015-2016	11	9	2	289	83*	41.28	300	96.33	0	2	0	28	3
CJ Anderson (NZ)	2015-2016	20	18	1	521	81	30.64	544	95.77	0	3	1	44	20
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	2015-2016	10	8	2	306	89	51.00	324	94.44	0	2	0	24	3
KJ O'Brien (IRE)	2015-2016	9	8	0	200	64	25.00	212	94.33	0	1	1	21	4
C Munro (NZ)	2015-2016	9	7	0	238	87	34.00	253	94.07	0	1	0	19	7
JO Holder (WI)	2015-2016	14	14	3	265	45*	24.09	282	93.97	0	0	1	19	8
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)	2015-2016	15	13	2	327	79	29.72	348	93.96	0	2	0	34	4
Mohammad Rizwan (PAK)	2015-2016	17	16	4	326	67	27.16	347	93.94	0	2	0	31	3
CR Woakes (ENG)	2015-2016	27	19	6	348	95*	26.76	372	93.54	0	1	4	24	2
SK Raina (INDIA)	2015-2015	15	14	0	332	65	23.71	355	93.52	0	3	2	28	7
JWA Taylor (ENG)	2015-2015	8	8	3	273	98*	54.60	295	92.54	0	3	1	22	8
LD Chandimal (SL)	2015-2015	10	8	3	217	65*	43.40	236	91.94	0	2	1	18	2
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	2015-2016	17	15	2	603	105	46.38	658	91.64	1	4	0	47	1
SC Williams (ZIM)	2015-2016	12	11	1	295	76	29.50	330	89.39	0	2	1	24	1
KA Pollard (WI)	2016-2016	10	10	2	247	67*	30.87	284	86.97	0	2	1	13	13
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2015-2016	19	18	2	520	92*	32.50	598	86.95	0	2	0	35	12
E Chigumbura (ZIM)	2015-2016	13	12	0	300	67	25.00	346	86.70	0	1	1	20	8
F Behardien (SA)	2015-2016	26	20	6	421	70	30.07	487	86.44	0	2	1	31	7
Sikandar Raza (ZIM)	2015-2016	13	11	3	384	100*	48.00	450	85.33	2	1	0	23	9
EJG Morgan (ENG)	2015-2016	11	11	1	267	121	26.70	320	83.43	1	1	4	22	10
AD Mathews (SL)	2015-2016	28	22	4	757	95	42.05	912	83.00	0	6	3	61	8
MM Ali (ENG)	2015-2016	23	19	6	208	45*	16.00	254	81.88	0	0	0	15	4

 

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[jalebi_bhai]

22 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We are suffering equally on the finisher front.....no high SR finishers compared to the rest of the world

 

The list below shows SRs of ODI  finishers in the last 2 years against non-minnows - No Indians above 100 and every good team has atleast one.  No Indian above 94 even.

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AD Russell (WI)	2015-2015	9	9	2	226	64*	32.28	137	164.96	0	1	2	19	17
AB de Villiers (SA)	2015-2016	7	6	4	432	162*	216.00	286	151.04	2	2	0	44	17
GJ Maxwell (AUS)	2015-2016	21	18	2	570	102	35.62	446	127.80	1	3	4	70	13
L Ronchi (NZ)	2015-2016	36	28	4	546	170*	22.75	456	119.73	1	0	4	44	21
JC Buttler (ENG)	2015-2016	29	25	4	813	129	38.71	709	114.66	1	5	2	72	18
DA Miller (SA)	2015-2016	18	15	3	593	130*	49.41	527	112.52	2	1	1	54	16
TAM Siriwardana (SL)	2015-2016	14	11	1	281	66	28.10	254	110.62	0	2	0	23	8
MS Wade (AUS)	2015-2016	26	22	5	611	76	35.94	577	105.89	0	5	0	50	16
BA Stokes (ENG)	2015-2016	23	22	3	752	101	39.57	723	104.01	1	5	2	66	23
Shoaib Malik (PAK)	2015-2016	13	13	3	373	55*	37.30	368	101.35	0	3	0	22	13
GD Elliott (NZ)	2015-2016	27	25	5	836	104*	41.80	839	99.64	1	5	2	65	20
Imad Wasim (PAK)	2015-2016	11	9	4	208	63*	41.60	210	99.04	0	2	0	20	2
MJ Santner (NZ)	2015-2016	20	16	6	328	48	32.80	337	97.32	0	0	1	26	10
MR Marsh (AUS)	2015-2016	26	24	5	695	79*	36.57	720	96.52	0	6	3	65	18
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2015-2016	11	9	2	289	83*	41.28	300	96.33	0	2	0	28	3
CJ Anderson (NZ)	2015-2016	20	18	1	521	81	30.64	544	95.77	0	3	1	44	20
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	2015-2016	10	8	2	306	89	51.00	324	94.44	0	2	0	24	3
KJ O'Brien (IRE)	2015-2016	9	8	0	200	64	25.00	212	94.33	0	1	1	21	4
C Munro (NZ)	2015-2016	9	7	0	238	87	34.00	253	94.07	0	1	0	19	7
JO Holder (WI)	2015-2016	14	14	3	265	45*	24.09	282	93.97	0	0	1	19	8
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)	2015-2016	15	13	2	327	79	29.72	348	93.96	0	2	0	34	4
Mohammad Rizwan (PAK)	2015-2016	17	16	4	326	67	27.16	347	93.94	0	2	0	31	3
CR Woakes (ENG)	2015-2016	27	19	6	348	95*	26.76	372	93.54	0	1	4	24	2
SK Raina (INDIA)	2015-2015	15	14	0	332	65	23.71	355	93.52	0	3	2	28	7
JWA Taylor (ENG)	2015-2015	8	8	3	273	98*	54.60	295	92.54	0	3	1	22	8
LD Chandimal (SL)	2015-2015	10	8	3	217	65*	43.40	236	91.94	0	2	1	18	2
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	2015-2016	17	15	2	603	105	46.38	658	91.64	1	4	0	47	1
SC Williams (ZIM)	2015-2016	12	11	1	295	76	29.50	330	89.39	0	2	1	24	1
KA Pollard (WI)	2016-2016	10	10	2	247	67*	30.87	284	86.97	0	2	1	13	13
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2015-2016	19	18	2	520	92*	32.50	598	86.95	0	2	0	35	12
E Chigumbura (ZIM)	2015-2016	13	12	0	300	67	25.00	346	86.70	0	1	1	20	8
F Behardien (SA)	2015-2016	26	20	6	421	70	30.07	487	86.44	0	2	1	31	7
Sikandar Raza (ZIM)	2015-2016	13	11	3	384	100*	48.00	450	85.33	2	1	0	23	9
EJG Morgan (ENG)	2015-2016	11	11	1	267	121	26.70	320	83.43	1	1	4	22	10
AD Mathews (SL)	2015-2016	28	22	4	757	95	42.05	912	83.00	0	6	3	61	8
MM Ali (ENG)	2015-2016	23	19	6	208	45*	16.00	254	81.88	0	0	0	15	4

 

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This is a bigger problem I feel. Plenty of times we find ourselves at 200-220/3 by the 40th over only to finish at 280-300. Not enough impact from the lower-middle order.

 

I see the point people are making about Dhawan and Rohit being too similarly-paced but they are not even our secondary concern right now. Lower middle order and Dhoni's replacement are greater concerns imo.

[rkt.india]

12 hours ago, maniac said:

Pant and Kishen are competing for the Dhoni slot or even maybe Yuvraj slot......Dhawan is competing with Rahul...Rahul has still not had that consistency in any format. it is boom or bust with him.

Pant can bat anywhere. He is an opener and opened for Delhi in age group tournaments, for India U19, and for DD in IPL in a few matches. He might still open in Vijay Hazare trophy for Delhi.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said:

This is a bigger problem I feel. Plenty of times we find ourselves at 200-220/3 by the 40th over only to finish at 280-300. Not enough impact from the lower-middle order.

 

I see the point people are making about Dhawan and Rohit being too similarly-paced but they are not even our secondary concern right now. Lower middle order and Dhoni's replacement are greater concerns imo.

Problem is, even the new players we have tried at No.5 and No.6 in the recent past are not really big hitters and won't score at really high SRs barring an odd match or two.  Now we have introduced Yuvraj who has not played ODis in the recent past and  has a  T20I  SR of 97  ( very low  for T20s )  in the last 2 years

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said:

This is a bigger problem I feel. Plenty of times we find ourselves at 200-220/3 by the 40th over only to finish at 280-300. Not enough impact from the lower-middle order.

 

I see the point people are making about Dhawan and Rohit being too similarly-paced but they are not even our secondary concern right now. Lower middle order and Dhoni's replacement are greater concerns imo.

Yes no one is denying the lower n middle order problem , i did make a thread on it last year and it still does exists.

But that doesnt mean we shud forget and improve in other areas, now we have the arsenal to improve the top order and We should. About middle and lower well we still are figuring out players and trying there as well and since there more than one position it will take time. 

 

M not even completely ruling out dhawan, practically he hs time to prove us wrong. IF dhawan or pant comes of rahul can bat in middle. But dhawan has left a lot to be desired despite doing welll. 

 

There needs to some changes from top to lower order. We need more match winners . If we are not able to crack right players in middle doesnt mean we shud ignore the problem at top. 

[MCcricket]

Dhawan has shown a distinct weakness against the seaming ball or the outside off line n short ball so unless he I proves on that he won't be very successful as his initial year, hope he learns n works hard n not goes I to denial like Gambhir, Raina and others.

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, MCcricket said:

Dhawan has shown a distinct weakness against the seaming ball or the outside off line n short ball so unless he I proves on that he won't be very successful as his initial year, hope he learns n works hard n not goes I to denial like Gambhir, Raina and others.

He scored century in NZ in seaming conditions the only place he struggled is SA. He had issues with short ball. 

Edited January 11, 2017 by gattaca

[Cricketics]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

The main issue here is that ODIs have changed a lot in the last 2 years or thereabouts. We are getting much bigger scores and  all good teams have introduced high SR batsmen both as one of the openers as well as a couple of finishers. Having just high average batsmen is not enough these days.  SR plays a big part as really big scores are being notched up much more regularly

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
BB McCullum (NZ)	2015-2016	25	25	0	826	117	33.04	539	153.24	1	6	3	106	41
Soumya Sarkar (BDESH)	2015-2015	6	6	2	369	127*	92.25	338	109.17	1	2	0	50	8
Q de Kock (SA)	2015-2016	24	24	3	927	178	44.14	883	104.98	3	3	1	107	24
JJ Roy (ENG)	2015-2016	31	31	2	1109	162	38.24	1069	103.74	3	5	3	129	14
DA Warner (AUS)	2015-2016	28	28	2	1453	173	55.88	1413	102.83	7	4	0	163	17
MDKJ Perera (SL)	2015-2016	17	17	0	485	116	28.52	483	100.41	1	3	1	48	12
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2015-2016	39	39	5	1837	237*	54.02	1830	100.38	5	10	4	187	66
AD Hales (ENG)	2015-2016	27	27	1	1132	171	43.53	1153	98.17	4	6	2	127	24
AJ Finch (AUS)	2015-2016	30	29	1	802	135	28.64	841	95.36	1	6	4	94	21
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2015-2016	24	24	1	1242	171*	54.00	1304	95.24	5	4	2	106	38
HM Amla (SA)	2015-2016	28	28	3	1280	153*	51.20	1382	92.61	5	5	1	144	13
IR Bell (ENG)	2015-2015	7	7	0	305	141	43.57	333	91.59	1	1	1	36	1
TM Dilshan (SL)	2015-2016	28	26	1	1182	161*	47.28	1337	88.40	3	6	1	133	7
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2015-2016	22	22	0	914	137	41.54	1036	88.22	2	6	0	108	9
J Charles (WI)	2015-2016	15	15	0	340	83	22.66	389	87.40	0	1	1	35	10
TWM Latham (NZ)	2015-2016	15	15	1	460	137	32.85	554	83.03	1	3	1	41	7
HDRL Thirimanne (SL)	2015-2015	7	7	1	361	139*	60.16	435	82.98	1	2	0	33	3
Azhar Ali (PAK)	2015-2016	19	19	0	783	101	41.21	972	80.55	2	3	1	75	5

 

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That shouldn't be our concern at this time when we are currently struggling more at the bottom where we fail to convert good starts into high scores.

 

If we are 220-3 in 40 overs, we have to at least finish beyond 300 most times, or say at least take it to till 315. Lack of consistency down the order with lot of inexperience and decline in form of players like Raina has resulted in our poor show. This is the reason why Dhoni has taken time also to not go big right away in 40th over, because below him, he is worried about us having a collapse, and it is the right concern. Yes, contrary to people saying he has lost reflexes, I think him slowing down is more because he has batted conservatively for the team's cause to ensure there is no collapse. He can still hit big, like you saw in the warm up earlier.

 

With Shikhar, I do not have problem with that strike rate. Rohit and Shikhar both fire on different days. Some days you will notice Shikhar having a higher strike and then in some days, Rohit will have a higher strike rate. Though, most times I have noticed that Rohit has been slow in last 1 year, and he only picks up once he is settled or has scored 40-50 runs, thus showing that he is working for the team, but not necessarily means that he is a better opener than Dhawan.  If Shikhar and Rohit put India at 100-1 in 19th-20th over, that is perfect platform for Kohli and co, to take the score to 315+ in next 180 deliveries. So strike rate talk of an opener is absolutely useless, unless we are talking about slow tortoise like strike rate which a player like Azhar Ali from Pakistani bats at. 

[veer]

On 1/10/2017 at 11:38 AM, mancalledsting said:

Best batsmen in last champions trophy in England. Also batted well in ODI World Cup in Australia. 

This comment is logical when you read only stats.. but if you actually look at the innings and watch the match you would know what actually happened.. he was edging and pulling shots in air.. he didnt have quality in his innings.. Same thing happened in test matches in NZ.. he failed in all test innings but made 1 hundred where he had lot of hit and miss chances.. and that made his stats look better.

[fineleg]

Rohit Sharma tuk-tuk-tuk for 15 overs does not suit modern ODIs. After 15 overs, he likely throws it away. In instances where goes till 45 overs, yes he accelerates and its a good innings. But many times he throws it away in 10-20 overs after sllooowww start.

[Muloghonto]

14 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Pant can bat anywhere. He is an opener and opened for Delhi in age group tournaments, for India U19, and for DD in IPL in a few matches. He might still open in Vijay Hazare trophy for Delhi.

Best way to wreck a newbie wicketkeeper is to get him to open. Don't say 'but Gilchrist'- Gilly perfected his primary craft (keeping) for six years before he opened in international cricket.

 

Right now, we need a long term wicketkeeper. Saha isn't a long term option, Dhoni is almost done. Pant, Kishan etc. are showing signs they can be the long term option, but i'd rather have then be a stellar keeper + above average bat than stellar bat + above average keeper.

 

 

[maniac]

1 hour ago, fineleg said:

Rohit Sharma tuk-tuk-tuk for 15 overs does not suit modern ODIs. After 15 overs, he likely throws it away. In instances where goes till 45 overs, yes he accelerates and its a good innings. But many times he throws it away in 10-20 overs after sllooowww start.

Proof please?

 

You know that he made it to the ICC ODI X1 of the year right...take off your biased glasses.

 

The guy has hit the most 6's,hit  daddy 100's,has an impressive S/R and Average...what else do you want?

[gattaca]

8 minutes ago, maniac said:

Proof please?

 

You know that he made it to the ICC ODI X1 of the year right...take off your biased glasses.

 

The guy has hit the most 6's,hit  daddy 100's,has an impressive S/R and Average...what else do you want?

Look up India vs nz series. He used to suck all the momentum and we used loose wickets.

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Look up India vs nz series. He used to suck all the momentum and we used loose wickets.

Which one? He didn't play in the last one....and was the unsung star of the test series...80+ average

[gattaca]

18 minutes ago, maniac said:

Which one? He didn't play in the last one....and was the unsung star of the test series...80+ average

It was in 2014.

 

http://m.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/engine/current/match/667641.html

http://m.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/engine/current/match/667643.html

 

vs sa

http://m.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/engine/current/match/648651.html

http://m.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/engine/current/match/648653.html

 

 

In all these ODIs he sucked momentum. His strike rate is horrible for a opener in these Odis.

The problem with him is he can't find the gaps and pinch singles. He always goes for the glory shots and if he gets out early we will be in big trouble.

[mancalledsting]

3 hours ago, veer said:

This comment is logical when you read only stats.. but if you actually look at the innings and watch the match you would know what actually happened.. he was edging and pulling shots in air.. he didnt have quality in his innings.. Same thing happened in test matches in NZ.. he failed in all test innings but made 1 hundred where he had lot of hit and miss chances.. and that made his stats look better.

Lol...I watched both those competitions live thank you 

[jalebi_bhai]

18 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yes no one is denying the lower n middle order problem , i did make a thread on it last year and it still does exists.

But that doesnt mean we shud forget and improve in other areas, now we have the arsenal to improve the top order and We should. About middle and lower well we still are figuring out players and trying there as well and since there more than one position it will take time. 

 

M not even completely ruling out dhawan, practically he hs time to prove us wrong. IF dhawan or pant comes of rahul can bat in middle. But dhawan has left a lot to be desired despite doing welll. 

 

There needs to some changes from top to lower order. We need more match winners . If we are not able to crack right players in middle doesnt mean we shud ignore the problem at top. 

Not saying that we shouldn't look to fix our problems but drastic changes don't always work out well. We'll see though. The title says Countdown to Dhawan's last year, which is a long enough rope for him.

[Lannister]

We should look to score 130-140 in first 20 overs and 140-150 in the next 20 and 90-100 runs in the final 10 overs. We are struggling between the overs 35 and 45 and that is where the problem lies, not with the openers.