Hardik Pandya not a Test allrounder yet - Holding

[Trichromatic]

10 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

He's a bowling all-rounder or he does not play at all. I hope he and the manage ment realise this. He should only play tests in SENA countries if he can effectively pay the role of 4th seamer . Even if he scores 30 's and 40's with the bat that's fine as long as he makes inroads with the ball. Besides when all our bats apart from Kohli and rahane have failed it's hard to criticise him . Ditto about  the SA tour. When our top 5 can consistently put on scores then we can worry about his role in the team. 

India needs a batting all rounder and not a bowling all rounder. Your no 6 can never be bowling AR.

[Stradlater]

23 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

He did fight hard yesterday to be fair.

Yeah like a chicken flapping it's wings and shitting all over tryna run away from a wolf .

[Nikhil_cric]

20 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

India needs a batting all rounder and not a bowling all rounder. Your no 6 can never be bowling AR.

 I would tend to agree. I was merely commenting on pandya's potential. He has more potential as a bowler than as a batsman. I personally don't see him as a no.6 anyway. That should be given to pant. However, if they are trying to make a batting all-rounder out of him, that won't work for anyone. 

[jf1gp_1]

I think people forget the importance of eating up balls in test cricket. Anyhow Pandya was playing per situation. His role was to take shine of new ball and see of the day which he almost achieved. He is maturing as cricketer. Problem is people want to see t20 in test cricket. 

[Rightarmfast]

47 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

He's a bowling all-rounder or he does not play at all. I hope he and the manage ment realise this. He should only play tests in SENA countries if he can effectively pay the role of 4th seamer . Even if he scores 30 's and 40's with the bat that's fine as long as he makes inroads with the ball. Besides when all our bats apart from Kohli and rahane have failed it's hard to criticise him . Ditto about  the SA tour. When our top 5 can consistently put on scores then we can worry about his role in the team. 

This inference is a bit much. What should be stressed is, if the top batsmen are unable to cope up, we need to have an allrounder/ player at the 6th spot who can take the load and can be trusted upon. Not the other way round. Anything else is not logic, its whataboutery! 

Pandya fits neither as a batsman who could be trusted with, nor a bowler who could do anything. Once in a blue moon performance does not count. The joker has already cost us 2 tests in England. I highly suspect that Pandya and Ishant will be the nemesis of India even in this 3rd test match. 

 

I repeat again, Agarkar and Pathan were both much better allrounders and talented players than Pandya. Look how they were treated. Why be any different to this hack who neither posseses the bowling prowess of agarkar or pathan nor the batting of any decent allrounder.

[Number]

A proper 6th batsman here would have guided us to 400+. 

[Lannister]

I am the first person to root for the youngsters. But I really don't think we need Pandya at this stage of Test cricket. He's bringing a lot of imbalance to the team structure. We are always short of a bowler or a batsman when the situation demands because of his presence. I believe we can do even better without him in the side. 

[SK_IH]

Written enough about his all round incapabilities,but it's hilarious reading people justifying his "fighting" knock yesterday

[shortbread]

36 minutes ago, Number said:

A proper 6th batsman here would have guided us to 400+. 

 

34 minutes ago, Lannister said:

I am the first person to root for the youngsters. But I really don't think we need Pandya at this stage of Test cricket. He's bringing a lot of imbalance to the team structure. We are always short of a bowler or a batsman when the situation demands because of his presence. I believe we can do even better without him in the side. 

The tag 'all-rounder' is doing the Indian team more harm than good. If Bhuvaneshwar Kumar is nurtured i.e workload managed and more support/focus is given for his batting (coaching, additional net time, promotion up the order in domestics)......he will turn out to be the genuine pace bowling all-rounder that India wants. Not this imitation 14k jewellery who's neither here nor there!                                   

 

In the meantime the team is better off with an additional batsman or someone like Jadeja who's equally useless with the bat but a much more useful/economical bowler and India's best fielder.

Edited August 19, 2018 by shortbread

[shortbread]

9 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Written enough about his all round incapabilities,but it's hilarious reading people justifying his "fighting" knock yesterday

The fight is within himself! His fans know and understand these struggles, u mere mortals simply won't get it!

 

Everytime Pandya walks out onto the field he's battling an internal conflict as to who he really is, a poor man's Kapil Dev or a Gary Sobers look-alike?!

[Vk1]

We need to give him some more time since there are no backups. If Pant does well he should be promoted to 6 and that should only help Hardik 

[Adi BB]

Gotta say he was playing pretty well but coming to the close of play he went into a shell to just survive and got out in the process .he threw a wonderful opportunity to score some big runs and make it count ,really disappointed with him ! 

[sensible-indian]

5 hours ago, Stradlater said:

Yeah like a chicken flapping it's wings and shitting all over tryna run away from a wolf .

He was leaving well. 

 

Just got into a shell. 

 

Plus needs to play off the backfoot.

[sensible-indian]

3 hours ago, Adi BB said:

Gotta say he was playing pretty well but coming to the close of play he went into a shell to just survive and got out in the process .he threw a wonderful opportunity to score some big runs and make it count ,really disappointed with him ! 

He was in a shell even before the new ball was taken. 

[sensible-indian]

3 hours ago, Vk1 said:

We need to give him some more time since there are no backups. If Pant does well he should be promoted to 6 and that should only help Hardik 

Yes. No backups. Grooming him is of utmost importance.

 

Frauds like Jaddu can never replace this guy. 

[R!TTER]

Just now, sensible-indian said:

He was in a shell even before the new ball was taken. 

He's just not good enough against the moving ball or extreme pace. What was his score against SA in 5 innings after that fluky 93

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, Adi BB said:

Gotta say he was playing pretty well but coming to the close of play he went into a shell to just survive and got out in the process .he threw a wonderful opportunity to score some big runs and make it count ,really disappointed with him ! 

No he wasn't playing well at any point in yesterday. His idea for playing out for the end of days play was actually good thinking. Only problem was Anderson bowling perfectly and probing him continuously. Now Hardik isn't technically sound. One would eventually get him. He needs to play with a simple mindset : If it's there to hit, hit it.Atleast he will score a few before he gets out.

[Adi BB]

3 hours ago, Pollack said:

No he wasn't playing well at any point in yesterday. His idea for playing out for the end of days play was actually good thinking. Only problem was Anderson bowling perfectly and probing him continuously. Now Hardik isn't technically sound. One would eventually get him. He needs to play with a simple mindset : If it's there to hit, hit it.Atleast he will score a few before he gets out.

That's how we think of him ,but he doesn't think of himself like that and same with the TM. He thinks himself as a proper bat and wanted to bat out the day to be able to resume again the next day 

[putrevus]

He is just a bits and pieces player who is masquerading as an allrounder. India is better off playing a proper bowler or batsman who can contribute more.

Edited August 19, 2018 by putrevus

[rtmohanlal]

15 hours ago, zen said:

so are the specialist batsmen .... what do you recommend they do? Start Yoga to improve their mental powers so they decide when to get our or not?

just can't understand the logic of some of you posters..... Here the topic is about Pandya  and you are dragging the discussion to other batsmen... Did I say that other batsmen all are doing well????????? I only said that Pandya would be better off playing an aggressive game rather than the waiting game of accumulating.