Latest from Perth: Ashwin and Rohit out of 2nd test

[CSK Fan]

28 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Shami's not unfit, else he'd be added to this list, at least logically. Why drop him, he's a key wicket taker. 

 

I hope Vihari plays on the green top with 4 quicks, whoever looks better between Yadav & Bhuvi in nets should be the 4th seamer.

Bhuvi will be in because Ashwin batting will be replaced by bhuvis

[Vilander]

Rohit cant play in this wicket. Klr lolz..

 

They need to bowl first and rollbover aus before lunch ...and bat when ot flattens.

[ShoonyaSifar]

45 minutes ago, Lannister said:

More like Kohli's ass is on fire after the recent statement from Edulji. The team selection is spot on. 

 

They need to be bit more careful with playing Jadeja though. He is not any improvement over Ashwin. If it's absolute certain that spin comes into picture, then only he should play. 

Edulji can keep leaking as many mails/messages as she wants. Kumble is not coming in as Men's team manager nor will Edulji's blue eyed boy Romesh Powar become the Women's team manager. Instead, that lady will get booted out from CoA soon. Her free rides coming to an end.

[Clarke]

29 minutes ago, CSK Fan said:

Bhuvi will be in because Ashwin batting will be replaced by bhuvis

The 4th bowler needs to be a wicket taker, the top 7 are responsible for batting. I agree with u on bhuvi's batting ability but between Yadav & Bhuvi, we need to pick the best bowler available on current form than secondary skills. The only factor to decide that is nets.

[CSK Fan]

29 minutes ago, Clarke said:

The 4th bowler needs to be a wicket taker, the top 7 are responsible for batting. I agree with u on bhuvi's batting ability but between Yadav & Bhuvi, we need to pick the best bowler available on current form than secondary skills. The only factor to decide that is nets.

Bhuvi was quite good in the bouncy pitches of SA. ODI form should never be confused with test cricket, Bhuvi can perform and be consistent on test wickets with anything in it anytime

[R.D forever]

Ashwin was not going to be dropped. His 1st innings contribution with bat and ball itself should guarantee a spot

[gattaca]

We need jaddu would have loved to play pandya. You can't play all seamers need some to share the burden. Green wickets do spin

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, gattaca said:

We need jaddu would have loved to play pandya. You can't play all seamers need some to share the burden. Green wickets do spin

its to hot eventually the grass will die out , so yea a spinnere wud be needed atleast as variety for 3rd n 4th innings 

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Edulji can keep leaking as many mails/messages as she wants.

That's a baseless speculation. COA is not short of any enmities with in BCCI. Anyone could have done that. 

 

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Kumble is not coming in as Men's team manager nor will Edulji's blue eyed boy Romesh Powar become the Women's team manager.

And why do you think Kumble would want to work with Kohli again? Kohli's downfall is imminent with his classless behaviour.  

 

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Instead, that lady will get booted out from CoA soon. Her free rides coming to an end.

Yup. Pray hard. 

[gattaca]

21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

its to hot eventually the grass will die out , so yea a spinnere wud be needed atleast as variety for 3rd n 4th innings 

The last time we played all pacers in Perth.we got clobbered. Need someone to control as well.

[gattaca]

Just now, Lannister said:

That's a baseless speculation. COA is not short of any enmities with in BCCI. Anyone could have done that. 

 

And why do you think Kumble would want to work with Kohli again? Kohli's downfall is imminent with his classless behaviour.  

 

Yup. Pray hard. 

You just want downfall of kohli because of kumble you sound more like Pakistani now.

[ShoonyaSifar]

2 minutes ago, Lannister said:

That's a baseless speculation. COA is not short of any enmities with in BCCI. Anyone could have done that. 

 

And why do you think Kumble would want to work with Kohli again? Kohli's downfall is imminent with his classless behaviour.  

 

Yup. Pray hard. 

Doubt if he will ever get considered for the coach's role anywhere else. There is a pattern.

 

As KSCA President , he did not get along with his team and had to quit.

He quit as NCA chairman saying no one looked at his proposals and his vision did not align with other NCA members.

He'd to move out of the Coach's position.

 

Maybe the problem is not with everyone else but Kumble himself and that he cannot take everybody along.

 

[gattaca]

2 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Doubt if he will ever get considered for the coach's role anywhere else. There is a pattern.

 

As KSCA President , he did not get along with his team and had to quit.

He quit as NCA chairman saying no one looked at his proposals and his vision did not align with other NCA members.

He'd to move out of the Coach's position.

 

Maybe the problem is not with everyone else but Kumble himself and that he cannot take everybody along.

 

Spot on. Also he seems to criticize younger platers more. Very bad from a mentor /coach role.

[ShoonyaSifar]

5 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Spot on. Also he seems to criticize younger platers more. Very bad from a mentor /coach role.

What he said about Pant was absolutely pathetic. I

 

do believe he is a typical old school Indian cricketer, someone who believes in hierarchy. Have read interviews of players who say how terrible the dressing room environments used to be earlier with senior players not talking to juniors and there being a lot of fear. Thankfully Dada came in and changed it forever.

 

 

[Samcric]

Can Vihari bowl 20-25 overs a day and tie up an end? If not, we will need Jadeja instead of a seamer. While he would have a disadvantage (compared to Ashwin) that ball would be spinning into the lefties, he can make use of rough, if any, outside the left-handers' off-stump in the 3rd/4th innings. Something that Ashwin could not do. In current form, he is also a better batsman than Ashwin. Provides more control with the ball and is harder to play from the backfoot because of his speed.

 

If the wicket remains as green as it is (typically, some grass is shaved off on the morning of the test itself - excess grass leading up to the test is to counter the hot weather), I would be tempted to play Bhuvi instead of Shami. Much more control with the new ball if the ball swings/seams as is expected. will potentially create a difference of 25-30 runs as well which may be vital if the scores are in the range of 200-250.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Samcric

[bowl_out]

Toss is going to play a crucial role again.. The team that bats first will get rolled out before tea, and the pitch will flatten out after that..

 

Wonder if they should get away with toss and let the visiting team decide whether they want to bat or bowl first..  The hosts get advantage of pitch and conditions anyway.. This makes it more even-play..

[Samcric]

45 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Toss is going to play a crucial role again.. The team that bats first will get rolled out before tea, and the pitch will flatten out after that..

 

Wonder if they should get away with toss and let the visiting team decide whether they want to bat or bowl first..  The hosts get advantage of pitch and conditions anyway.. This makes it more even-play..

Not really, wicket is expected to play up and down from the 4th day. In the Sheffield Shield match, cracks started to appear because of the heat. So chasing more than 200 would be very difficult in the 4th innings. If you bat first and can survive till lunch without losing more than 2 wickets, things will ease out substantially and that team would enjoy the best of conditions. Other minor advantage would be that the seamers of team batting first will get an additional day to rest. If India bat first and make the Aussie fast bowlers bowl 100 plus overs in the heat, they will wilt. India should bat first if they win the toss. This test series will be about the fitness of the fast bowlers - ability to come back for 3rd, 4th and 5th spells.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Samcric

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, CSK Fan said:

Bhuvi was quite good in the bouncy pitches of SA. ODI form should never be confused with test cricket, Bhuvi can perform and be consistent on test wickets with anything in it anytime

the biggest issue is his fitness. Can he last a test match bowling 40-50 overs? he has struggled to last ODIs recently.  i don't understand this habit of Indian management taking half fit players on tours.  

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

its to hot eventually the grass will die out , so yea a spinnere wud be needed atleast as variety for 3rd n 4th innings 

grass die out does not mean it will spin.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Samcric said:

Can Vihari bowl 20-25 overs a day and tie up an end? If not, we will need Jadeja instead of a seamer. While he would have a disadvantage (compared to Ashwin) that bowl would be spinning into the lefties, he can make use of rough, if any, outside the left-handers' off-stump in the 3rd/4th innings. Something that Ashwin could not do. In current form, he is also a better batsman than Ashwin. Provides more control with the ball and is harder to play from the backfoot because of his speed.

 

If the wicket remains as green as it is (typically, some grass is shaved off on the morning of the test itself - excess grass leading up to the test is to counter the hot weather), I would be tempted to play Bhuvi instead of Shami. Much more control with the new ball if the ball swings/seams as is expected. will potentially create a difference of 25-30 runs as well which may be vital if the scores are in the range of 200-250.

why would you need Vihari to bowl 20-25 overs? he will replace Rohit and not Ashwin.  Ashwin will probably be replaced by BK.