Nikola Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) We talk about root being overhyped but totally ignore kane who has milked his most runs vs avg/poor sides. Root atleast has done good in odis. Kane Williamson (In odis) Avg stats vs most sides except England. Harmless strike rate in odis. Kane Williamson (In tests) I know these are decent test & odi stats so he should not be called overrated but i am saying this because he is considered as part of fab four and everyone in fab four has done something to be part of it. Smith had great worldcup & test run in india/eng & sa (2014). Agree smith has been downwards in odis since worldcup but he still has proven his worth to be part of fab 4. Root is called overrated by many so Kane should be definitely overrated too. Discuss. Edited December 29, 2019 by Nikola express bowling and Vk1 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) @Cricketics @gattaca @Adi BB @zen @sandeep I know you can say these are hand picked stats but kane is one of the few players who might end up as one of the greats by end of his career so i think these stats do suggest something else to me. Edited January 28, 2019 by Nikola Link to comment
Cricketics Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nikola said: @Cricketics @gattaca @Adi BB @zen @sandeep I know you can say these are hand picked stats but kane is one of the few players who might end up as one of the greats by end of his career so i think these stats do suggest something else to me. Since its discussion from match thread. Here is my post. His stats are fine. He plays anchor role in the middle and carry the weight of the team and the country and does fine. Not that NZ side have had any consistent players barring Taylor. They all play around each other and no one becomes star in their team. Thats how NZ team culture has been. They don’t have any outstanding ODI consistent players like Rohit or Kohli. They have excellent talents who have impact on the resurls and who often can go Inconsistent. Be it the older NZ sides with Nathan Astle or current side. Williamson is doing the job for them still. Yes, not the best ODI bat in the world but still quality. His averages there aren’t bad at all against Aus and India. Infact his average is lower against weaker odi teams. Overall a fine player Link to comment
Nikola Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Cricketics said: Since its discussion from match thread. Here is my post. His stats are fine. He plays anchor role in the middle and carry the weight of the team and the country and does fine. Not that NZ side have had any consistent players barring Taylor. They all play around each other and no one becomes star in their team. Thats how NZ team culture has been. They don’t have any outstanding ODI consistent players like Rohit or Kohli. They have excellent talents who have impact on the resurls and who often can go Inconsistent. Be it the older NZ sides with Nathan Astle or current side. Williamson is doing the job for them still. Yes, not the best ODI bat in the world but still quality. His averages there aren’t bad at all against Aus and India. Infact his average is lower against weaker odi teams. Overall a fine player Yeah but i included bit more stats even for test format. I agree he might be decent for NZ side but is he worth the hype broadcaster of fans make? Is he worth to be part of fab 4? Link to comment
Texan Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 LoL. He just played match winning knocks in the final Test vs Pak to beat Pak in UAE (an extremely difficult task) and win series and you say he is overrated. Duh! Number and GoldenSun 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Texan said: LoL. He just played match winning knocks in the final Test vs Pak to beat Pak in UAE (an extremely difficult task) and win series and you say he is overrated. Duh! Agree that was great knock but those knock haven't come against top sides mostly. He has ability and technique wise he might be best from fab four but his performance in certain conditions against certain side has been pretty poor. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nikola said: Agree that was great knock but those knock haven't come against top sides mostly. He has ability and technique wise he might be best from fab four but his performance in certain conditions against certain side has been pretty poor. Can you list match winning 100s by other batsmen against top sides outside home? Link to comment
Nikola Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Can you list match winning 100s by other batsmen against top sides outside home? It's not about match winning 100s as winning depends on how team performs. I was talking about general stats. He don't even have alot runs in lost/drawn matches. Edited January 28, 2019 by Nikola express bowling 1 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Ross Taylor is the best Kiwi batsman in ODIs. He's almost matched Kohli and Rohit since 2015 WC after getting the eye surgery done. Kane is a shade behind him. Vilander 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Good record. 100s in and/or vs major countries. Considered a good player based on his talent and potential GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 why this overrate/under rate thing? Kane has superb all round records in both prime formats which is a matter of greatness in itself. Whether Kohli/Root/Smith or any other is better or not to him is another matter altogether. Vilander 1 Link to comment
flamy Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 It was surprising to see him getting flustered in the 3rd ODI in the Pandya over, after which he got out to Chahal. I hadn't seen that side of him before. Thought he had better temperament than that. Even Ross walked down to calm him down. Link to comment
Nikola Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: why this overrate/under rate thing? Kane has superb all round records in both prime formats which is a matter of greatness in itself. Whether Kohli/Root/Smith or any other is better or not to him is another matter altogether. I have seen fans saying root is overrated cricketer which actually might be true but then they say kane williamson is underrated. If you actually see his stats or performance in key matches it has been pretty avg. He plays impact less cricket in odis many times. Even in tests he has very few good innings to be named in fab four. BrantFUGH 1 Link to comment
gattaca Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Kane doesn’t has too much support around. Also nz doesn’t play same amount of cricket as England and India. Link to comment
neel roy Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/28/2019 at 4:27 AM, Trichromatic said: Can you list match winning 100s by other batsmen against top sides outside home? You should mention 3rd Innings Hundred..Laxman scored a 96 odd against S Africa in Durban , in 3rd Innings..Till this date that is the best 3rd innings scored by an Indian in foreign conditions where India won..the pitch was a seamers paradise..he would have scored a hundred if only he didnt have no 11 on the opposite end.. Another one for your records is Dilip Vengsarkar - 102, 2nd test 3rd Innings,in Headingley Leeds 1986 ..India won Brush up before commenting Link to comment
Stan AF Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 No. Definitely not overrated. Doesn't have a power game. But still one of the finest in this generation. Link to comment
Zero_Unit Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) No he is not. You don't get to be in the fab4 being overhyped. Players like Babar, Tamim, etc are overhyped. Good but not the best. Edited January 29, 2019 by Zero_Unit Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 yes- just another angle with which to attack Kohli Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Not at all over hyped. He is one of the best. Link to comment
Nikola Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Another nothing shot. Link to comment
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