sandeep Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rasgulla said: Dude they are not going to babysit him. Either you take your chances or there are 10 other people who are ready to take his spot. Obviously seniors(Virat,Rohit,Dhawanand Dhoni)ll be treated differently. They are proven match winners and I agree with whole DK thing. Should never been dropped in first place. Sure, agree that players shouldn't be 'babied'. But when you have a high risk high reward player like Pant, you've got to ask yourself - what's the best position for him to succeed? Especially if we have a relatively strong batting unit around him. We could have thrown him at the top of the order, and if he had come off, we could have had a QdK style berserker at the top. Asking a player like him to start building innings in the middle order, when he's still inexperienced - is not exactly playing to his strengths. Either he should have been at the top, or lower down to just hit out. Its easy to shift the onus on to the individual and say "sink or swim",and there's nothing wrong with that. But team management should be held to a higher standard. Now I don't even think Rishabh is a sureshot star in LOI cricket - but this is not the way. And its not just him. Team has screwed around with a lot of the "juniors" in the last year or 2. KLPD, Ambaatli, Manish Pandey. Murali Vijay and Pujara in tests. beetle and Gollum 2 Link to comment
Turning_track Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gollum said: It took our other greats 40-50 matches to settle down, in some cases more. Let's have patience with these guys, anyway WC dream is more or less over. Prepare for 2023. Under Kohli's captaincy? Link to comment
Laaloo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 They did the same with Rahul and Shankar as well. Only your beloved raydud was given consistent chances at one position despite laying eggs after eggs Stan AF, flamy, beetle and 7 others 1 2 6 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Turning_track said: Under Kohli's captaincy? Sincerely hope not. Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: DK never performed at no.4 Yeah average of 52 is not good? Check this zen 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: Yeah average of 52 is not good? Check this what 52...he avg 38 that to saved by one 64* or else it wud have been shitier ......look at that s/r of 69 at 4 which makes rayudu, dhoni, rahane look like yuvraj singh Link to comment
zen Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: Yeah average of 52 is not good? Check this Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Batting position equal to 4 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 2004-2019 91 77 21 1738 79 31.03 2358 73.70 0 9 6 174 15 Profile filtered 2007-2018 15 15 6 335 64* 37.22 486 68.93 0 3 1 33 3 Link to comment
RAZPOR Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) they have mismanaged a whole heap of upcoming players just to bring back some ttfs and results are there to see. Edited March 13, 2019 by RAZPOR bahubali 1 Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: what 52...he avg 38 that to saved by one 64* or else it wud have been shitier ......look at that s/r of 69 at 4 which makes rayudu, dhoni, rahane look like yuvraj singh Context is from 2017... Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, zen said: Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Batting position equal to 4 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 2004-2019 91 77 21 1738 79 31.03 2358 73.70 0 9 6 174 15 Profile filtered 2007-2018 15 15 6 335 64* 37.22 486 68.93 0 3 1 33 3 Did you miss the filter that says matches starting from 01-01-2017? Link to comment
sandeep Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Gollum said: @sandeep I remember a few of your foreboding essay posts about our flawed strategy in the 1st PP, time to bump them as well. This nonsensical strategy of consolidating and holding on till late is another clusterfukc by the team think tank. I have been harping on it since before the 2015 WC. Nobody cares dude, Virat, Rohit and Dhawan are raking in mega millions in endorsements. Chalta hai waise hi chalne do. Even today's game was actually lost in the 1st 15 overs. Rest was a given, due to the nature of the wicket. Edited March 13, 2019 by sandeep Gollum 1 Link to comment
zen Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: Did you miss the filter that says matches starting from 01-01-2017? In that case, he avgs 65 vs major teams .... but mainly because of playing vs WI and 4 not outs where SR is low suggesting a manable RR Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2017 Batting position equal to 4 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 91 77 21 1738 79 31.03 2358 73.70 0 9 6 174 15 Profile filtered 7 7 4 194 64* 64.66 271 71.58 0 2 1 17 1 areer summary Grouping Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s v England 1 1 0 21 21 21.00 22 95.45 0 0 0 3 0 v New Zealand 1 1 1 64 64* - 92 69.56 0 1 0 4 0 v Pakistan 1 1 1 31 31* - 37 83.78 0 0 0 2 1 v Sri Lanka 2 2 1 26 26* 26.00 49 53.06 0 0 1 3 0 v West Indies 2 2 1 52 50* 52.00 71 73.23 0 1 0 5 0 Edited March 13, 2019 by zen Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 the guy is not good enough. he has not played well in ODI. this applies to both Pant and DK. Pant poor in making scores, DK poor in converting them. Wish it was different, no wonder team is still reliying in dhonis tuk tuking. flamy, Stan AF and Frustrated 3 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, sandeep said: Sure, agree that players shouldn't be 'babied'. But when you have a high risk high reward player like Pant, you've got to ask yourself - what's the best position for him to succeed? Especially if we have a relatively strong batting unit around him. We could have thrown him at the top of the order, and if he had come off, we could have had a QdK style berserker at the top. Asking a player like him to start building innings in the middle order, when he's still inexperienced - is not exactly playing to his strengths. Either he should have been at the top, or lower down to just hit out. Its easy to shift the onus on to the individual and say "sink or swim",and there's nothing wrong with that. But team management should be held to a higher standard. Now I don't even think Rishabh is a sureshot star in LOI cricket - but this is not the way. And its not just him. Team has screwed around with a lot of the "juniors" in the last year or 2. KLPD, Ambaatli, Manish Pandey. Murali Vijay and Pujara in tests. "High risk reward player" is that the polite way of saying Hack and where would he fit in ? World's Best opening pair or replacing world's best batsmen at 3 ? He had his chances and he has done nothing yet in LOIs. Nikola, flamy, Frustrated and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, zen said: In that case, he avgs 65 vs major teams .... but mainly because of playing vs WI Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2017 Batting position equal to 4 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 91 77 21 1738 79 31.03 2358 73.70 0 9 6 174 15 Profile filtered 7 7 4 194 64* 64.66 271 71.58 0 2 1 17 1 areer summary Grouping Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s v England 1 1 0 21 21 21.00 22 95.45 0 0 0 3 0 v New Zealand 1 1 1 64 64* - 92 69.56 0 1 0 4 0 v Pakistan 1 1 1 31 31* - 37 83.78 0 0 0 2 1 v Sri Lanka 2 2 1 26 26* 26.00 49 53.06 0 0 1 3 0 v West Indies 2 2 1 52 50* 52.00 71 73.23 0 1 0 5 0 Pakistan, New-Zealand are not major teams according to you? - doesn't mean 0..you can't calculate average based on 1 not out innings zen 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Pant is clearly not good enough as of now( in Keeping as well as batting). He is not a baby to be mismanaged, cant fail consistently in ODI. He probably needs time and more experience, which is ok - but its his failure really. Frustrated, Rasgulla, Laaloo and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment
zen Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dark Horse said: Pakistan, New-Zealand are not major teams according to you? - doesn't mean 0..you can't calculate average based on 1 not out innings The stats includes those teams I edited the post to add this -> In that case, he avgs 65 vs major teams .... but mainly because of playing vs WI and 4 not outs where SR is low suggesting a manable RR Link to comment
Lannister Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Kick out Dhoni and his pets (Sharma, Dhawan, Jadeja and CSK nexus), 90% of the team's problems will be resolved. diehardpacer and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, zen said: The stats includes those teams I edited the post to add this -> In that case, he avgs 65 vs major teams .... but mainly because of playing vs WI and 4 not outs where SR is low suggesting a manable RR He has seen the team home in those games...if you see his average while chasing you'll get a better picture...See if India won in those games...if it did, why does SR matter? Link to comment
zen Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: He has seen the team home in those games...if you see his average while chasing you'll get a better picture...See if India won in those games...if it did, why does SR matter? that is what I implied .... that he batted with RR manageable (relatively low scores, bowlers doing a good job) .... relatively low SR implies that the task was relatively easier (manageable RRR due to low totals and/or someone at the top having played with a high SR) Edited March 13, 2019 by zen Link to comment
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