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Indian team have mismanaged Rishabh Pant's LOI career so far

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

one 64* can make stats look diff 

who has been given a proper run in last 2 yrs.....most wrong players. If DK was so good he wud have holded a place but he kept loosing place from test to ODI

You call that a proper run? Anyways, agree to disagree.

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3 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Not my intention to detail your thread, just cited a few examples supporting your logic. By the same logic I can call you Marathi manhoos? But I won't do that :wink:

See that's whats funny - I'm not marathi - but way to jump to wrong conclusions and "logic".  

 

First of all, My comment was made tongue in cheek - i.e. not serious.  2nd, DK has been a failure at #4.  SO claiming that he was pushed out because he did well there, is just silly.

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

"High risk reward player" is that the polite way of saying Hack and where would he  fit in ? World's Best opening pair or replacing world's best batsmen at 3 ? He had his chances and he has done nothing yet in LOIs. 

We have committed to him as 1st choice test 'keeper.  Hack or not, he's a lock to get repeated opportunities in white ball cricket also.  Question is, how best to maximize the value a player can add to the team.  

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Pant as of now and DK and for the matter of fact even Dhoni are not good enough to play as batsmen. They don’t deserve to occupy a slot if they don’t keep.

 

So with Dhoni playing only LOIs and not missing much either , Pant never got a chance.

 

I have pointed out before that it is stupid to play with 3 keeper-bats in the same side.

 

So apart from Dhoni hanging on to one more wc dream don’t see where Pant could have fit in.

 

In fact I am glad he was not played as a pure bat. That would have totally destroyed him.

 

He should play as a keeper-bat or should not be in the line up.

 

I would rather play a combo of Shankar,Pandya ahead of Pant and Dk. You get the same number of runs with better fielding and bowling flexibility.

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Pant is probably playing with more pressure on him than any other player .

 

With Dhoni still around and his gang of fans and lobbies...every move he makes is under the microscope. 

Not to mention the utterly biased commentators.

 

Even the slip catch misses are attributed to him.wides are his fault . Today the ass manju even called out Pant when the batsmen took an easy single. It is like they are just waiting for the ball to go in his direction and they start off.

When he takes a good catch..

It is the foreign commentator who has to start the good word.

 

Poor guy is playing with dhoni and his PR sitting on his shoulders. 

No players has had to go though this kind of pressure.

 

Compare this to the debut dhoni had and the all round support he got.

 

 

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1 minute ago, beetle said:

Pant is probably playing with more pressure on him than any other player .

 

With Dhoni still around and his gang of fans and lobbies...every move he makes is under the microscope. 

Not to mention the utterly biased commentators.

 

Even the slip catch misses are attributed to him.wides are his fault . Today the ass manju even called out Pant when the batsmen took an easy single. It is like they are just waiting for the ball to go in his direction and they start off.

When he takes a good catch..

It is the foreign commentator who has to start the good word.

 

Poor guy is playing with dhoni and his PR sitting on his shoulders. 

No players has had to go though this kind of pressure.

 

Compare this to the debut dhoni had and the all round support he got.

 

 

You gotta appreciate KKD"s perseverance. lol.   Karthik the then keeper who was dethroned by MSD in the mid 2000s. Now same Karthik dethroned by Rishab Pant. Gajini Mohammad. 

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

You gotta appreciate KKD"s perseverance. lol.   Karthik the then keeper who was dethroned by MSD in the mid 2000s. Now same Karthik dethroned by Rishab Pant. Gajini Mohammad. 

DK has himself to blame the first time, he was given ample opportunities to prove himself as a batsman and be part of the starting line up even with Dhoni.

 

2nd time not his fault. He has performed in every opportunity he got but obviously Pant from a future perspective has a  longer upside.

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BCCI has earmarked Pant as a star for the future awarding him a 5 cr contract. They won't be happy paying him that much only to have him warm the bench. So Kohli can no longer ignore Pant.

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53 minutes ago, sandeep said:

See that's whats funny - I'm not marathi - but way to jump to wrong conclusions and "logic".  

 

First of all, My comment was made tongue in cheek - i.e. not serious.  2nd, DK has been a failure at #4.  SO claiming that he was pushed out because he did well there, is just silly.

I understand that and hence the question mark and the wink :p:

 

Coming to DK, he's clearly the second best keeper who's done decently with the bat. If you think otherwise it's alright. 

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All said and done, Pant has to take a lot of blame himself. He had a great opportunity today but bottled it. Has done so in multiple T20s as well. The Aus Test series showed us he was maturing as a Test batsmen, that evidence is missing in LOIs. Not sure if this is due to the Dhoni factor or a general temperament problem he needs to work on.

 

In a sense, these failures are good as he will most certainly not get picked for the WC now (unless he repeats his IPL 2018 heroics). Not being in the WC squad is better for his long term career.

Edited by ShoonyaSifar

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1 hour ago, The Dark Horse said:

Not my intention to detail your thread, just cited a few examples supporting your logic. By the same logic I can call you Marathi manhoos? But I won't do that :wink:

Hint: check how he jizzes himself over Pandya bros,Jadeja  and Pujara :laugh: atleast Zen bapu is open about it, this one plays his cards like a pro Gujju poker player on diwali

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4 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

All said and done, Pant has to take a lot of blame himself. He had a great opportunity today but bottled it. Has done so in multiple T20s as well. The Aus Test series showed us he was maturing as a Test batsmen, that evidence is missing in LOIs. Not sure if this is due to the Dhoni factor or a general temperament problem he needs to work on.

 

In a sense, these failures are good as he will most certainly get picked for the WC now (unless he repeats his IPL 2018 heroics). Not being in the WC squad is better for his long term career.

It's not about maturity tbh, he was playing acc to situation even today but it's a general fact that he is quite over rated and his game is still evolving.

It's also proven he likes taking his time and also the fact he enjoys when the field is up and there are more gaps (his test record testament of that fact). So may be opening is his slot.

 

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11 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

It's not about maturity tbh, he was playing acc to situation even today but it's a general fact that he is quite over rated and his game is still evolving.

It's also proven he likes taking his time and also the fact he enjoys when the field is up and there are more gaps (his test record testament of that fact). So may be opening is his slot.

 

The TM definitely deserves blame for that. Could have easily rested one of Rohit/Dhawan (something Shastri had even spoken about after NZ series) to see how Rahul/Pant go as ODI opener. But guess they had decided Rohit/Dhawan have to be there in all the matches.

 

They have tried all their experiments only in the middle order to further unsettle it. 

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1 minute ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

The TM definitely deserves blame for that. Could have easily rested one of Rohit/Dhawan (something Shastri had even spoken about after NZ series) to see how Rahul/Pant go as ODI opener. But guess they had decided Rohit/Dhawan have to be there in all the matches.

 

They have tried all their experiments only in the middle order to further unsettle it. 

True, the middle muddle is the sole doing of Virat and Shaz

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31 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

I understand that and hence the question mark and the wink :p:

 

Coming to DK, he's clearly the second best keeper who's done decently with the bat. If you think otherwise it's alright. 

I don't.  I think he is our best option to back up Dhoni at the WC.  And Dhoni's going to have fitness issues playing 10+ games back to back.  Given this fact, DK should have been given a long rope and a bunch of games to build up confidence.  They did the exact opposite.  If the team doesn't believe in DK, then Pant should have gotten that rope - starting 10 months ago.  This jerking around back and forth in the last 5-10 games before WC helps neither player, or the team.

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16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pant has a long future ahead. He has virtually no competition post world cup. He may even become T20 captain.

Their is Ishan kishen , even though i rate pant has a far superior talent but u shud never count someone out. I wont even ignore samson....pant is miles ahead but lets not say he doesnt have any competition 

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9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Their is Ishan kishen , even though i rate pant has a far superior talent but u shud never count someone out. I wont even ignore samson....pant is miles ahead but lets not say he doesnt have any competition 

True. I wouldn't say Pant is miles ahead either. Ishan Kishan is almost as good.. 

Samson is great talent, but looks to have poor attitude and lack of drive to excel

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3 hours ago, maniac said:

Hint: check how he jizzes himself over Pandya bros,Jadeja  and Pujara :laugh: atleast Zen bapu is open about it, this one plays his cards like a pro Gujju poker player on diwali

You left out Bhuvi - that's the one guy I'm the most biased about, and will admit it.  And the fact that I was arguing for dropping Jadeja from LOI cricket before the last CT tournament.  But I guess that doesn't fit your agenda. 

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pant has a long future ahead. He has virtually no competition post world cup. He may even become T20 captain.

I dont think so,I rate Kishan a lot more for LOI cricket.He atleast can build his innings instead of wild swings

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5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Their is Ishan kishen , even though i rate pant has a far superior talent but u shud never count someone out. I wont even ignore samson....pant is miles ahead but lets not say he doesnt have any competition 

Pant and Kishen are the future.

Both similarly talented.

Right now Pant has the upper hand for having put the runs on the board (in tests).But kishen is around.

 

Samsom has taken himself out of  competition.

The guy seems content with ipl life and family life rest of the time. Add his attitude problems and it will take a really really good performance from him to even be in the reckoning.

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2 hours ago, beetle said:

Pant and Kishen are the future.

Both similarly talented.

Right now Pant has the upper hand for having put the runs on the board (in tests).But kishen is around.

Actually kishen keeping at this point is quite below then even pant. 

2 hours ago, beetle said:

 

Samsom has taken himself out of  competition.

The guy seems content with ipl life and family life rest of the time. Add his attitude problems and it will take a really really good performance from him to even be in the reckoning.

Wont count him out, at the end a talented player needs to get his act toghther which is tough but aint impossible 

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14 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

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what 52...he avg 38 that to saved by one 64* or else it wud have been shitier ......look at that s/r of 69 at 4 which makes rayudu, dhoni, rahane look like yuvraj singh

Hmm.This stats makes me wonder if he is the only player to score 50s from opening to no7 but has totally less than 10 50s totally :lol:

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