Dinesh Karthik to replace Manish Pandey for Champions Trophy

[Laaloo]

26 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Yeah if you are going to pick Bhuvi, Shami and Bumrah, Pandya can be picked as a seamer all rounder. But if Ashwin gets in because pitch is dry and helping spinners, you may want to pick him and Jadeja in which case Pandya misses out. 

 

Pandya cant be in the lineup if you have only 3 seamers because it would require him to bowl at the death. You have to be deadly accurate if you have to do well in the death overs but he hasnt shown that control.

You can always finish Pandyas overs before the death and save bumrah bhuvi for the death no?

[kubrickian]

3 minutes ago, laaloo said:

You can always finish Pandyas overs before the death and save bumrah bhuvi for the death no?

That would mean Bhuvi and Bumrah can only bowl 5 overs each for the first 40 overs of the game. Besides, if one of them has an off day you need another option. 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

It resembles Pakistani style of picking a side. Going back to tried and tested players because they have more experience as they dont have guts to try out new players at the risk of them failing. Need to have a new selection panel if India has to have a shot at WC.

Totally agree. On flattish Eng surfaces we are seriously lacking in batting firepower. Raina and/or Pant should've been in the squad with Pant in the playing XI as an opener.

[The Realist]

Countdown till a bowler gets injured & "the spearhead" gets the inevitable call up after Sehwag puts in a good word...

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, laaloo said:

but public especially on icf believes it will swing so...

Most of ICF don't think so, only the selectors do. That's why they selected Rahane as the backup opener for "English conditions" whereas most of ICFers wanted Pant to be selected instead.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Most of ICF don't think so, only the selectors do. That's why they selected Rahane as the backup opener for "English conditions" whereas most of ICFers wanted Pant to be selected instead.

Rahane has a good ODI record in England. got a match-winning hundred when india won the ODI series there in 2014.

 

the team looks fine, i don't know why people are whining. on paper, its the best team in the tournament. first two games against pak and SL are guaranteed wins, and a guaranteed semi final place.

 

look at the averages they have:

 

Rohit, 41

Dhawan, 40

Kohli, 52

Yuvraj, 37

Dhoni, 50

Kedar, 58

Pandya, 53, bowl 33

Jadeja, 32, 35

Ashwin, 32

Shami, 25

Bumrah, 22

Edited May 18, 2017 by Manny_Pacquiao

[sandeep]

15 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Rahane has a good ODI record in England. got a match-winning hundred when india won the ODI series there in 2014.

 

the team looks fine, i don't know why people are whining. on paper, its the best team in the tournament. first two games against pak and SL are guaranteed wins, and a guaranteed semi final place.

 

look at the averages they have:

 

Rohit, 41

Dhawan, 40

Kohli, 52

Yuvraj, 37

Dhoni, 50

Kedar, 58

Pandya, 53, bowl 33

Jadeja, 32, 35

Ashwin, 32

Shami, 25

Bumrah, 22

 

Fans are upset because the team is constructed to play ODI cricket in the pre-2015 style.  We don't aim for 370, we aim for 320 - and as a result, consistently come up short against stronger batting teams.  Losing a home series against SA, a home and away ODI series against Aus, WC semifinal -all of these indicate that we are in need of tactical and personnel changes on the batting front.  India have always been a team that wins games with its batting, especially with the white ball.   Currently we are not in the top 3 batting teams in ODIs, and fans want to address this with personnel changes.  

[Ultimate_Game]

24 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Rahane has a good ODI record in England. got a match-winning hundred when india won the ODI series there in 2014.

 

the team looks fine, i don't know why people are whining. on paper, its the best team in the tournament. first two games against pak and SL are guaranteed wins, and a guaranteed semi final place.

 

look at the averages they have:

 

Rohit, 41

Dhawan, 40

Kohli, 52

Yuvraj, 37

Dhoni, 50

Kedar, 58

Pandya, 53, bowl 33

Jadeja, 32, 35

Ashwin, 32

Shami, 25

Bumrah, 22

 

Things have changed since 2014, especially post 2015 WC. Teams like Eng, Aus and SA look at scoring 350 these days and we have the same over the hill or tried & tested players. We have regressed since 2014 whereas teams like Eng and Aus have improved drastically.

[Autonomous]

11 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

Fans are upset because the teamda constructed to play ODI cricket in the pre-2015 style.  We don't aiSaffer70, we aim for 320 - and as a result, consistently come up short against stronger batting teams.  Losing a home series against SA, a home and away ODI series against Aus, WC semifinal -all of these indicate that we are in need of tactical and personnel changes on the batting front.  India have always been a team that wins games with its batting, especially with the white ball.   Currently we are not in the top 3 batting teams in ODIs, and fans want to address this with personnel changes.  

Yes, Power players are vital in the one days these days. Australia have got Warner, By the way they also have another guy Travis Head who is a decent player and can smash it around. 

 

England's batting line is very strong in this regard with players like Hales, Butter, Stokes and Jason Roy. 

 

SAF have got AB, QDK and Faf even though they lost Rille Rossow. 

 

BTW Dhawan can't score at 100+ SR?

[Manny_Pacquiao]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

Fans are upset because the team is constructed to play ODI cricket in the pre-2015 style.  We don't aim for 370, we aim for 320 - and as a result, consistently come up short against stronger batting teams.  Losing a home series against SA, a home and away ODI series against Aus, WC semifinal -all of these indicate that we are in need of tactical and personnel changes on the batting front.  India have always been a team that wins games with its batting, especially with the white ball.   Currently we are not in the top 3 batting teams in ODIs, and fans want to address this with personnel changes.  

 

LOL, did you watch the ODI series we played against England? Getting 350 is not a problem. Kohli, Dhoni, Kedar can hose down bowling attacks. kohli is the best ODI batsman in the world by a mile.

 

series loss to SA was a bad one, but the bowling attack has changed since then. series loss in AUS wasn't due to a lack of batting firepower, they lost because the bowling attack was inexperienced. once they get the bowling right, they whitewashed AUS in the t20 series.

 

india's batting lineup pisses on australia's, they have 2 good batsmen: warner and smith. rest of the batting lineup is trash.

England, i'll give you, they're a fantastic one day batting lineup. but their bowling attack bleeds runs, so they're a flawed team.

 

south africa look red hot, but they are a spineless, underachieving team in major ODI tournaments.

 

india will play england in the final.

 

[Manny_Pacquiao]

1 hour ago, Autonomous said:

Yes, Power players are vital in the one days these days. Australia have got Warner, By the way they also have another guy Travis Head who is a decent player and can smash it around. 

 

England's batting line is very strong in this regard with players like Hales, Butter, Stokes and Jason Roy. 

 

SAF have got AB, QDK and Faf even though they lost Rille Rossow. 

 

BTW Dhawan can't score at 100+ SR?

dhawan is an outstanding ODI batsman. odi average of 40+ and SR of 90.

 

people confuse ODIs with t20s, and are forgetting how good dhawan has been for india in the ODI format.

[Khota]

Dinesh deserves it but he should be selected and Dhoni be send home.

[cowboysfan]

10 hours ago, tweaker said:

This selection is gutless, they will only select players for short term.They had a perfect opportunity to select a youngster but again they went for tried & tested player.

I don't think the CT is the right tournament to blood new players.

[Lannister]

10 hours ago, asterix said:

Looks like a standby WK for Dhoni. Won't get any matches unless Dhoni has a niggle etc.

 

This. All are missing the point here. He's there to replace Dhoni once he starts to fail. 

[nevada]

11 hours ago, The Realist said:

Not surprising given the complete lack of vision by the current selectors.

 

Just keep on recycling the same old on a never ending repeat cycle.

 

 

Only a disastrous exit from CT will make the selectors think of rebuilding the team with youngsters. Even then, I wouldn't be too shocked if they persist with the dad's army team till 2019 WC. Why change an "experienced" team just 2 years before the next world cup, right?

[express bowling]

9 hours ago, kubrickian said:

Pandya is shite at the death. If you are going to play only 2 seamers and Pandya with Ashwin, he will be expensive at the death. That's why Shami, Bhuvi and Bumrah should play. Even Umesh is expensive in death overs.

The first 2 pacers have always bowled the death overs in the last 7 months.... we have never played 3 specialist seamers.

 

Pandya's choice is not as a specialist bowler but a lower-middle order big hitter who can bowl too. We don not have any other such player who can replace him. Ashwin is not a big hitter and can only replace one of the bowlers.

[tweaker]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

Only a disastrous exit from CT will make the selectors think of rebuilding the team with youngsters. Even then, I wouldn't be too shocked if they persist with the dad's army team till 2019 WC. Why change an "experienced" team just 2 years before the next world cup, right?

This selection committee is thinking on the same lines, they will not make changes in the squad before the wc.

 

Only changes will be on the peripheral players ie Jadhav, Pandey.

 

If main players are injured, their replacement may be such that this players can make comeback easily after they get fit.

 

Players ie Parthiv, Karthik, Rayuddu, Mishra, Ishant, Raina, Harbhajan, Nehra, are eternal favourite of this selection committee for such stop gap arrangements

[OpeningBatsman]

3 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

I don't think the CT is the right tournament to blood new players.

Say that to Yuvraj and zaheer who both made their debut in ct/ icc knockout trophy and were highly successful. 

Not saying you should pick a team full of youngsters,but if there is a special talent then even if he is 17 you should blood him asap

Edited May 19, 2017 by OpeningBatsman

[Cricketics]

I am not Dinesh Karthik's biggest fan, but he deserved it over many players from the past.

 

Though I wanted either Iyer or Pant to make it to the line up, but Karthik has heavily scored in INdian domestic and deserved his chance.

 

He did not deserve the chance ahead of Manish Pandye though, but since he is injured, I am fine with Karthik now. If he fails, he fails. If he does well, it's good for Indian Cricket because he does bring lot of experience to the team.

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Rahane has a good ODI record in England. got a match-winning hundred when india won the ODI series there in 2014.

 

the team looks fine, i don't know why people are whining. on paper, its the best team in the tournament. first two games against pak and SL are guaranteed wins, and a guaranteed semi final place.

That was against a poor eng odi side who was changed within few mnths.....

Neither he is going to play against eng only in CT

9 hours ago, kubrickian said:

Bhuvi was not great at the death when he started out but he has improved a lot since getting accurate with yorkers. He always had good control and knows how to bowl to his field. He is definitely a good ODI bowler.

 

If Kedhar is not tested overseas, then we can also say Pandya is not tested overseas as a batsman. Not sure we can guarantee he will add depth to batting. But you can make a case for him as an all rounder if he plays in place of Ashwin.

Pandya made his Debut in Australia only

U can make a case?????? there is always a place for all rounder in the team. he will only be dropped incase he performs horribly .

9 hours ago, kubrickian said:

That would mean Bhuvi and Bumrah can only bowl 5 overs each for the first 40 overs of the game. Besides, if one of them has an off day you need another option. 

That will always be a case with 5 bowlers and any team

Bhuvi has gone for 100+ runs so can happen to anyone

If umesh plays more chances it ll happen