Steve Smith - Test Batting Ranking

[putrevus]

100s scored by Tendulkar away from home, against excellent bowling attacks :

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16523/scorecard/63567/australia-vs-india-5th-test-india-tour-of-australia-1991-92/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15744/scorecard/63866/australia-vs-india-2nd-test-india-tour-of-australia-1999-00/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15349/scorecard/63999/england-vs-india-3rd-test-india-tour-of-england-2002/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16126/scorecard/63737/south-africa-vs-india-2nd-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-1996-97/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/13027/scorecard/463146/south-africa-vs-india-1st-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-2010-11/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/13027/scorecard/463148/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-2010-11/

 

he clearly did, based on his scores. Man averaged 59.6 over 150 tests, 13500 runs and 18 years. That is, spanning an era when there were only 3-4 batsmen around averaging 50+, Bradmansque. 

 

Steve Smith has not done even 1% of what Tendulkar has done against top notch bowling attacks. 

 

Because you have a flawed understanding of cricket. In test cricket. batsmen are not match-winners, bowlers are. This is why Pakistan won more tests in the 90s, despite having worse batsmen than India. Sachin is the greatest batsman since Don and his resume isn't as good as the Don's but more complete. 

How is perth innings great innings , it is a great knock for a 17 year old but it is not a great knock even in context of the match and it is not even highest score of match.

 

Same thing goes for his 1999 knock, he was lone soldier in inept batting display by Indians ,you must be kidding if you are classifying it as a great knock.

 

As far as 2002 headingley, it was dravid and Bangar who took the sting out the english attack, Dravid therefore was named rightly man of match.

2010-11 was the only time tendulkar had his ability turned to win matches for India.Therefore he was rightly ICC player of the year and should have ended his career after world cup which he dragged on for a meaningless 100th 100 at the cost of the team's rebuilding which might have cost India world cup 2015.

 

For man who played 200 tests  you struggled to come up with 10 great innings , you jumped right from 2002 to 2010 , it only shows how well he did, I don't  have to say much.

Bowler win matches but batsmen need to set it up for them and when bowlers ask batsmen to chase 120 odd to win a series , if batsmen fail that is on batsmen not bowlers. Indian bowlers especially fast bowlers are always on rotating blocks who were mostly first time travellers and your fab four even after going to same places multiple times always came short but blame conveniently fell on bowlers.You expect rookie bowlers to win matches when senior batsmen continuously laid eggs.

 

It is only after arrival of Sehwag Indians grew some spine against neighbours.Sehwag had his flaws but he was the best against neighbours both home and away.

 

Edited December 25, 2017 by putrevus

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, New guy said:

When you intentionally down play one batsmen and pick and choose his weakness which you never ever do for anyone else, yes, yes you ARE a hater. With every single batsman their strengths are pointed out and praised. With Sachin his weaknesses are. Why the double standards?

 

 Why on earth is 60 matches the criteria? If Smith gets a duck in every innings from now in his career, will his 60 tests matches make him super amazing? Since when is 60 matches criteria for an entire career or to compare with someone who played 2 decades?

 

In 2 decades I have seen many, many batsmen compared to Sachin based on their initial career. From Lara to now Smith. Every single batsman was compared with Sachin. It speaks volume that even years after his retirement Sachin is still the benchmark for comparison. Sachin's fans do not need to keep his name alive. His haters constantly do that by comparing every upstart with him. They don't realize that by this very comparison they acknowledge his greatness. Why is Smith not compared with Ponting, Lara. Richards, etc, etc? Why is Sachin the benchmark?

 

 

Smith played only 60 matches so far that is why 60 matches is the criteria, you cannot expect Smith to scores 50 hundreds in 60 matches???

 

I am not intentionally down playing anyone, I am just giving my personal view point on Sachin's career.Even Kapil Dev when he said that same thing he was blasted from all corners as hater.For a boy genius who could score 300 plus as a school kid, it took a decade for our master to score a double hundred.

 

Sachin's ability is never questioned but his accomplishment are questioned here.If go back and listen to Harsha Bhogle comments on world cup 2003 on what Sachin's thinking was about chasing 353 you will understand how flawed that chase was to begin with and it was doomed to fail.

 

As Kohli proved again and again chasing big scores means not going to broke from ball one but it is all building momentum and then exploding.

 

Sachin will end up as a greatest compiler of records built on his longevity. These are reasons why he never scored two hundreds in match nor he reached above 900 rating.There is a reason why none of his innings were part of top 100 innings. 

[Laaloo]

19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is perth innings great innings , it is a great knock for a 17 year old but it is not a great knock even in context of the match and it is not even highest score of match.

 

Same thing goes for his 1999 knock, he was lone soldier in inept batting display by Indians ,you must be kidding if you are classifying it as a great knock.

 

As far as 2002 headingley, it was dravid and Bangar who took the sting out the english attack, Dravid therefore was named rightly man of match.

2010-11 was the only time tendulkar had his ability turned to win matches for India.Therefore he was rightly ICC player of the year and should have ended his career after world cup which he dragged on for a meaningless 100th 100 at the cost of the team's rebuilding which might have cost India world cup 2015.

 

For man who played 200 tests  you struggled to come up with 10 great innings , you jumped right from 2002 to 2010 , it only shows how well he did, I don't  have to say much.

Bowler win matches but batsmen need to set it up for them and when bowlers ask batsmen to chase 120 odd to win a series , if batsmen fail that is on batsmen not bowlers. Indian bowlers especially fast bowlers are always on rotating blocks who were mostly first time travellers and your fab four even after going to same places multiple times always came short but blame conveniently fell on bowlers.You expect rookie bowlers to win matches when senior batsmen continuously laid eggs.

 

It is only after arrival of Sehwag Indians grew some spine against neighbours.Sehwag had his flaws but he the best against neighbour both home and away.

I'm only going to debate this point . Chalo maan liya ki he dragged on after the 2011 WC. But how exactly did that cost India the 2015 WC?

 

After 2011 WC until the first game of the 2015 WC, India played 99 ODIs. From 2011 Final till Sachins retirement, India played 28 ODIs. Sachin only played in 11 of those ODIs. So essentially, India played 99 ODIS in between the two WCs and Sachin played in only 11 of those. How exactly did that cost India the World Cup? 

[Muloghonto]

44 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is perth innings great innings , it is a great knock for a 17 year old but it is not a great knock even in context of the match and it is not even highest score of match.

None of those are required parameters for a great knock. 1. It *is* a great knock. Dominating strike rate, literally holding the innings together (without him, India does not cross 100!), made against a bowling attack better than any going around today barring RSA and AUS. Definition of a great knock. 

 

44 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Same thing goes for his 1999 knock, he was lone soldier in inept batting display by Indians ,you must be kidding if you are classifying it as a great knock.

A dominating display while nobody else in the team can hold a bat against an ATG attack. You are really agenda-driven if you think this innings does not qualify as a great one. 

44 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

As far as 2002 headingley, it was dravid and Bangar who took the sting out the english attack, Dravid therefore was named rightly man of match.

Does not matter. Two people can play two great knocks in the same innings. You seem confused as to how cricket works and what great knocks mean. 

44 minutes ago, putrevus said:

2010-11 was the only time tendulkar had his ability turned to win matches for India.Therefore he was rightly ICC player of the year and should have ended his career after world cup which he dragged on for a meaningless 100th 100 at the cost of the team's rebuilding which might have cost India world cup 2015.

Again, batsmen do not win matches in test cricket. To say 'machining performance by a batsman', outside of the 4th innings context, is quite literally, idiotic in the test cricket context. 

 

Also, we are talking about tests here. Tendulkar retired from ODIs plenty soon after 2011, giving India YEARS to replace him. Ofcourse, he is irreplaceable. 

 

44 minutes ago, putrevus said:

For man who played 200 tests  you struggled to come up with 10 great innings , you jumped right from 2002 to 2010 , it only shows how well he did, I don't  have to say much.

I gave you a few examples. These were all dominating knocks, scored on the opposition's turf, against worldclass/ATG bowling attacks. 

By same parameters, your precious Smith is at 1, if that in his entire career so far. 

44 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Bowler win matches but batsmen need to set it up for them and when bowlers ask batsmen to chase 120 odd to win a series , if batsmen fail that is on batsmen not bowlers. Indian bowlers especially fast bowlers are always on rotating blocks who were mostly first time travellers and your fab four even after going to same places multiple times always came short but blame conveniently fell on bowlers.You expect rookie bowlers to win matches when senior batsmen continuously laid eggs.

Irrelevant. Senior batsmen did not lay eggs nearly as much as crap bowlers (overseas) like Srinath & Kumble failed to restrict the opposition to 350, on pitches where it should've been 300 max. 

And as data shows, the only good thing about India overseas in the 90s, was Tendulkar. 

44 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

It is only after arrival of Sehwag Indians grew some spine against neighbours.Sehwag had his flaws but he was the best against neighbours both home and away.

 

Irrelevant. 

[Muloghonto]

42 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Smith played only 60 matches so far that is why 60 matches is the criteria, you cannot expect Smith to scores 50 hundreds in 60 matches???

 

I am not intentionally down playing anyone, I am just giving my personal view point on Sachin's career.Even Kapil Dev when he said that same thing he was blasted from all corners as hater.For a boy genius who could score 300 plus as a school kid, it took a decade for our master to score a double hundred.

Sure. And yet, he scored dominating centuries at a better clip than anyone else in the 90s. Heck, he scored centuries at greater clip in the 90s, across all formats, than anyone else, period. 

 

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Sachin's ability is never questioned but his accomplishment are questioned here.If go back and listen to Harsha Bhogle comments on world cup 2003 on what Sachin's thinking was about chasing 353 you will understand how flawed that chase was to begin with and it was doomed to fail.

 

As Kohli proved again and again chasing big scores means not going to broke from ball one but it is all building momentum and then exploding.

Kohli has the luxury to play on pitches where 300-325 are par scores. Tendulkar spent most of his career on pitches where 250-275 are par scores in ODIs. The reason being, surviving early was much, much bigger challenge without grinding the scoring rate to a halt. Hence his strategy and hence it made perfect sense. Everyone in the pre T-20 era approached a humongous chase by going for broke from ball 1. You clearly did not watch cricket in the 90s enough. 

Also, Kohli my foot. The invention of modern-day 'accumulate till you get your eye in and then explode' style of chasing was invented by Dhoni, the greatest chaser in ODI history. 

 

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Sachin will end up as a greatest compiler of records built on his longevity. These are reasons why he never scored two hundreds in match nor he reached above 900 rating.There is a reason why none of his innings were part of top 100 innings. 

Yes, those statistical reasons are irrelevant, since the entire reason he is the best batsman ever barring Bradman, is because he has the LEAST holes in his resume compared to anyone else.

 

Where your nonsense falls apart, is holding every batsman to the same standard, Tendulkar still comes out on top. Again, nobody has scored as much runs as him, as consistently, as many centuries, fifties, etc. against as many good attacks, in test cricket. Period. 

 

Edited December 25, 2017 by Muloghonto

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Smith played only 60 matches so far that is why 60 matches is the criteria, you cannot expect Smith to scores 50 hundreds in 60 matches???

 

I am not intentionally down playing anyone, I am just giving my personal view point on Sachin's career.Even Kapil Dev when he said that same thing he was blasted from all corners as hater.For a boy genius who could score 300 plus as a school kid, it took a decade for our master to score a double hundred.

 

Sachin's ability is never questioned but his accomplishment are questioned here.If go back and listen to Harsha Bhogle comments on world cup 2003 on what Sachin's thinking was about chasing 353 you will understand how flawed that chase was to begin with and it was doomed to fail.

 

As Kohli proved again and again chasing big scores means not going to broke from ball one but it is all building momentum and then exploding.

 

Sachin will end up as a greatest compiler of records built on his longevity. These are reasons why he never scored two hundreds in match nor he reached above 900 rating.There is a reason why none of his innings were part of top 100 innings. 

the point I emphasize.You just can't accept that your points are proved to be wrong.That is the fact.Still harping on 'never crossing 900' despite getting clarified with crystal clear evidence that  Sachin played only 11 tests(so naturally lost out on  playing a minimum of almost 6 to 7 tests more which could have enabled him to cross 900 easily)  in 2 years during his peak period where he played 41 tests @69.92 avg:

 

Another double standard of yours...... Finding fault with not any of Sachin's inns in wisden's top 100.But, but ,comfortably forgetting the fact that  the same wisden placed Sachin as the 2nd best batsman in both formats only mid way thru his career.

Yeah... Kohli would surely have chased down 359 against 3 ATG sub 25 avg:ing one day bowlers in the world cup final single handedly on fast bouncy alien conditions coping with 10 times the  amount of  pressure of expectations that Sachin had to withstand. After all we got a sample of Kohli's capability  in the recently concluded champion's trophy final.Isn't it?Now what about Kohli's record in ENG ?It seems Kohli would take his entire career to score the same amount of runs Sachin could gathter in his first series.

 

And your degrading of Sachin's Melbourne  knocks of 116,52 is so typical of your grasping things with out taking context into account.He avg:ed 84(top avg: from either side in the match who played both inns) against 4 bowlers in Mcgrath,Lee,Warne & Fleming.By the way,I hope  Dravid too is  a non great batsman for you because he flopped over all in SAF,avg:ed a paltry 17 in AUS vs Warne & Mcgrath, was pedestrian against Murali in SL. Same way Lara too because he came a cropper in India against Kumble , never scored a 100 in India,never scored a 100 vs either Wasim or Waqar or Donald(3 ATG bowlers).Ponting too, because he has an avg: of 25 in India despite 3 or 4 tours.

 

By the way there are Sachin's twin inns of 241*,60*( a total of 301 runs with out dismissed) amidst added pressure of himself not being in form, yet rose to the occasion of standing up when the series was there for the taking for the first time in  Indian cricket history(I think in Asian cricket  history) against a qlty attack of Gillespie,Lee & Magill.But the wicket keeper Parthiv along with the incompetent set of bowlers wasted that once in a generation oppertunity.Let us blame that also on Sachin

Edited December 25, 2017 by rtmohanlal

[jalebi_bhai]

He is on course to enter 950 territory. 

[velu]

34 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

He is on course to enter 950 territory. 

 

i think he might gain 2 or 3  points for every century he scores and might lose 4/5 points if he doesnt cross 50 ..

anyway 2 more matches vs england and can get those 5 points easily

[Trichromatic]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

 

As Kohli proved again and again chasing big scores means not going to broke from ball one but it is all building momentum and then exploding.

What do you think about getting out on very next ball after getting a life with dropped catch? 

 

or about this?

 

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15.3 bouncer from Mitch, top-edged and gone - Kohli has cracked! Slow start, quick end for Virat, took on the Johnson short ball and emphatically lost. It was aimed across him, outside off, attempted to pull and sent a lusty blow straight up, Haddin had time to do a little square dance to his left, opened up the gauntlets and swallowed India's star man 78/2

 

Kohli's highest score while chasing in WC is 44 that too after playing 2 matches against Ireland, 1 against Netherlands, 1 against UAE, and 1 against Zimbabwe. 

 

 

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

What do you think about getting out on very next ball after getting a life with dropped catch? 

 

or about this?

 

Kohli's highest score while chasing in WC is 44 that too after playing 2 matches against Ireland, 1 against Netherlands, 1 against UAE, and 1 against Zimbabwe. 

 

 

2003 world cup was Sachin's 3 world cup and Virat has played only two. How many matches did Virat chase ?

[Trichromatic]

40 minutes ago, putrevus said:

2003 world cup was Sachin's 3 world cup and Virat has played only two. How many matches did Virat chase ?

 

Since Kohli has played only 2 world cups, let's see how SRT did in his first 2 world cups while chasing

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1989-2012	463	452	41	18426	200*	44.83	21367	86.23	49	96	20	2016	195	Profile
filtered	1992-1996	6	6	1	398	127*	79.60	464	85.77	1	3	0	52	2

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
35	51	44	5	0	79.54	4	caught	2		v England	Perth	22 Feb 1992	ODI # 715
11	19	19	1	0	57.89	4	caught	2		v Australia	Brisbane	1 Mar 1992	ODI # 725
127*	175	138	15	1	92.02	2	not out	2		v Kenya	Cuttack	18 Feb 1996	ODI # 1052
70	137	91	8	0	76.92	2	run out	2		v West Indies	Gwalior	21 Feb 1996	ODI # 1056
90	124	84	14	1	107.14	2	stumped	2		v Australia	Mumbai	27 Feb 1996	ODI # 1065
65	96	88	9	0	73.86	1	stumped	2		v Sri Lanka	Kolkata	13 Mar 1996	ODI # 1081

 

and what has Kohli done in world cups while chasing so far:

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2008-2017	202	194	32	9030	183	55.74	9844	91.73	32	45	12	839	98	Profile
filtered	2011-2015	9	9	2	254	44*	36.28	335	75.82	0	0	0	28	1

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
34	82	53	3	0	64.15	4	run out	2		v Ireland	Bengaluru	6 Mar 2011	ODI # 3121
12	16	20	2	0	60.00	5	bowled	2		v Netherlands	Delhi	9 Mar 2011	ODI # 3124
24	38	33	1	0	72.72	4	caught	2		v Australia	Ahmedabad	24 Mar 2011	ODI # 3143
35	69	49	4	0	71.42	4	caught	2		v Sri Lanka	Mumbai	2 Apr 2011	ODI # 3148
33*	49	41	5	0	80.48	3	not out	2		v U.A.E.	Perth	28 Feb 2015	ODI # 3618
33	51	36	5	0	91.66	3	caught	2		v West Indies	Perth	6 Mar 2015	ODI # 3625
44*	64	42	4	1	104.76	3	not out	2		v Ireland	Hamilton	10 Mar 2015	ODI # 3631
38	71	48	4	0	79.16	3	bowled	2		v Zimbabwe	Auckland	14 Mar 2015	ODI # 3636
1	11	13	0	0	7.69	3	caught	2		v Australia	Sydney	26 Mar 2015	ODI # 3645

 

A batsman with SR of 75 in 2010s v a batsman with SR of 85 in 1990s

A batsman with avg of 36 in 2010s v a batsman with avg of 79

A batsman without single half century even after playing 5 matches against minnows, 1 against WI v batsman who has scored in 4 out of 6 matches.

 

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As Kohli proved again and again chasing big scores means not going to broke from ball one but it is all building momentum and then exploding.

Then again what has Kohli has proved again and again?

 

Did you mean that inning against Australia where he scored 1 runs in 10 balls building momentum and then exploded against Johnson? 

 

Please let him score a half century in a tournament final or while chasing in a world cup first. 

[Vijy]

21 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Since Kohli has played only 2 world cups, let's see how SRT did in his first 2 world cups while chasing

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1989-2012	463	452	41	18426	200*	44.83	21367	86.23	49	96	20	2016	195	Profile
filtered	1992-1996	6	6	1	398	127*	79.60	464	85.77	1	3	0	52	2

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
35	51	44	5	0	79.54	4	caught	2		v England	Perth	22 Feb 1992	ODI # 715
11	19	19	1	0	57.89	4	caught	2		v Australia	Brisbane	1 Mar 1992	ODI # 725
127*	175	138	15	1	92.02	2	not out	2		v Kenya	Cuttack	18 Feb 1996	ODI # 1052
70	137	91	8	0	76.92	2	run out	2		v West Indies	Gwalior	21 Feb 1996	ODI # 1056
90	124	84	14	1	107.14	2	stumped	2		v Australia	Mumbai	27 Feb 1996	ODI # 1065
65	96	88	9	0	73.86	1	stumped	2		v Sri Lanka	Kolkata	13 Mar 1996	ODI # 1081

 

and what has Kohli done in world cups while chasing so far:

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2008-2017	202	194	32	9030	183	55.74	9844	91.73	32	45	12	839	98	Profile
filtered	2011-2015	9	9	2	254	44*	36.28	335	75.82	0	0	0	28	1

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
34	82	53	3	0	64.15	4	run out	2		v Ireland	Bengaluru	6 Mar 2011	ODI # 3121
12	16	20	2	0	60.00	5	bowled	2		v Netherlands	Delhi	9 Mar 2011	ODI # 3124
24	38	33	1	0	72.72	4	caught	2		v Australia	Ahmedabad	24 Mar 2011	ODI # 3143
35	69	49	4	0	71.42	4	caught	2		v Sri Lanka	Mumbai	2 Apr 2011	ODI # 3148
33*	49	41	5	0	80.48	3	not out	2		v U.A.E.	Perth	28 Feb 2015	ODI # 3618
33	51	36	5	0	91.66	3	caught	2		v West Indies	Perth	6 Mar 2015	ODI # 3625
44*	64	42	4	1	104.76	3	not out	2		v Ireland	Hamilton	10 Mar 2015	ODI # 3631
38	71	48	4	0	79.16	3	bowled	2		v Zimbabwe	Auckland	14 Mar 2015	ODI # 3636
1	11	13	0	0	7.69	3	caught	2		v Australia	Sydney	26 Mar 2015	ODI # 3645

 

A batsman with SR of 75 in 2010s v a batsman with SR of 85 in 1990s

A batsman with avg of 36 in 2010s v a batsman with avg of 79

A batsman without single half century even after playing 5 matches against minnows, 1 against WI v batsman who has scored in 4 out of 6 matches.

 

Then again what has Kohli has proved again and again?

 

Did you mean that inning against Australia where he scored 1 runs in 10 balls building momentum and then exploded against Johnson? 

 

Please let him score a half century in a tournament final or while chasing in a world cup first. 

Apart from Kohli bhakts, it should be obvious that SRT was better than VK in WCs at the current stage of VK (talking here about WCs specifically), regardless of chasing or batting first. Kohli reminds me of Messi (with much lesser talent of course) since I've never felt that Messi has played to his full potential in WCs either.

[putrevus]

On 12/25/2017 at 4:10 PM, Laaloo said:

I'm only going to debate this point . Chalo maan liya ki he dragged on after the 2011 WC. But how exactly did that cost India the 2015 WC?

 

After 2011 WC until the first game of the 2015 WC, India played 99 ODIs. From 2011 Final till Sachins retirement, India played 28 ODIs. Sachin only played in 11 of those ODIs. So essentially, India played 99 ODIS in between the two WCs and Sachin played in only 11 of those. How exactly did that cost India the World Cup? 

My personal view always has been after world cup is over , seniors players who are not going to be part of next world cup should retire, Rohit and Dhawan got started only after Sachin's retirement.

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Since Kohli has played only 2 world cups, let's see how SRT did in his first 2 world cups while chasing

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1989-2012	463	452	41	18426	200*	44.83	21367	86.23	49	96	20	2016	195	Profile
filtered	1992-1996	6	6	1	398	127*	79.60	464	85.77	1	3	0	52	2

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
35	51	44	5	0	79.54	4	caught	2		v England	Perth	22 Feb 1992	ODI # 715
11	19	19	1	0	57.89	4	caught	2		v Australia	Brisbane	1 Mar 1992	ODI # 725
127*	175	138	15	1	92.02	2	not out	2		v Kenya	Cuttack	18 Feb 1996	ODI # 1052
70	137	91	8	0	76.92	2	run out	2		v West Indies	Gwalior	21 Feb 1996	ODI # 1056
90	124	84	14	1	107.14	2	stumped	2		v Australia	Mumbai	27 Feb 1996	ODI # 1065
65	96	88	9	0	73.86	1	stumped	2		v Sri Lanka	Kolkata	13 Mar 1996	ODI # 1081

 

and what has Kohli done in world cups while chasing so far:

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2008-2017	202	194	32	9030	183	55.74	9844	91.73	32	45	12	839	98	Profile
filtered	2011-2015	9	9	2	254	44*	36.28	335	75.82	0	0	0	28	1

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
34	82	53	3	0	64.15	4	run out	2		v Ireland	Bengaluru	6 Mar 2011	ODI # 3121
12	16	20	2	0	60.00	5	bowled	2		v Netherlands	Delhi	9 Mar 2011	ODI # 3124
24	38	33	1	0	72.72	4	caught	2		v Australia	Ahmedabad	24 Mar 2011	ODI # 3143
35	69	49	4	0	71.42	4	caught	2		v Sri Lanka	Mumbai	2 Apr 2011	ODI # 3148
33*	49	41	5	0	80.48	3	not out	2		v U.A.E.	Perth	28 Feb 2015	ODI # 3618
33	51	36	5	0	91.66	3	caught	2		v West Indies	Perth	6 Mar 2015	ODI # 3625
44*	64	42	4	1	104.76	3	not out	2		v Ireland	Hamilton	10 Mar 2015	ODI # 3631
38	71	48	4	0	79.16	3	bowled	2		v Zimbabwe	Auckland	14 Mar 2015	ODI # 3636
1	11	13	0	0	7.69	3	caught	2		v Australia	Sydney	26 Mar 2015	ODI # 3645

 

A batsman with SR of 75 in 2010s v a batsman with SR of 85 in 1990s

A batsman with avg of 36 in 2010s v a batsman with avg of 79

A batsman without single half century even after playing 5 matches against minnows, 1 against WI v batsman who has scored in 4 out of 6 matches.

 

Then again what has Kohli has proved again and again?

 

Did you mean that inning against Australia where he scored 1 runs in 10 balls building momentum and then exploded against Johnson? 

 

Please let him score a half century in a tournament final or while chasing in a world cup first. 

So what exactly is this proving, Kohli is weakened by pressure , you must be kidding if you think Kohli is pressured by chases.

 

He will score plenty don't worry about it, he single handedly carried the team to one t20 finals and another t20 semis.I don't think he is effected by chasing or big stage.

 

He played two world cups one he was almost a rookie and yet he stabilized the chase in finals with Gautham which led to Dhoni's heroics.Another he was simply exhausted after non stop four months of cricket away from home, it happens to everyone. 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2017 by putrevus

[putrevus]

This guy Smith is batting from another planet, I have not seen anyone batting look ridiculously easy as this guy. Another 500 plus run in 4th tests of the series. Our great master never reached that plateau even once and excuses are given as he did not play 5 tests series.

 

Sachin played  plenty of 4 test series what happened there why he could not reach 500 runs. He never was this dominant and consistent period.

 

 

[Vilander]

Amazing batsman Smith atg rating for sure. Much netter than Sachins top rating.

[Rasgulla]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

My personal view always has been after world cup is over , seniors players who are not going to be part of next world cup should retire, Rohit and Dhawan got started only after Sachin's retirement.

Agreed.. wasted almost 1 year. He was indirect reason we lost that WC2015. That's why he ll never get the respect selfless players like Kohli or Smith does.. Team before anything 

[Trichromatic]

6 hours ago, putrevus said:

So what exactly is this proving, Kohli is weakened by pressure , you must be kidding if you think Kohli is pressured by chases.

 

He will score plenty don't worry about it, he single handedly carried the team to one t20 finals and another t20 semis.I don't think he is effected by chasing or big stage.

 

He played two world cups one he was almost a rookie and yet he stabilized the chase in finals with Gautham which led to Dhoni's heroics.Another he was simply exhausted after non stop four months of cricket away from home, it happens to everyone. 

 

 

Yes, he can certainly learn from SRT's performances how should a rookie chase in world cup and improve. In fact he can learn it from Dravid, Yuvi, Dhoni, Gambhir, Rohit and many other players who have been better chaser than him in world cups. No doubt he has potential. 

 

I don't think he is weakened by pressure. I guess it's just a coincidence that he averages 26 in tournament finals or world cup chases without any half century. Must be some other non-issue like non stop cricket or lack of experience. 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

people talking about quality of bowling. everything is correlated. Average batsmen can make bowlers look good and that happened through 80s and 90s when very few batsmen averaged 50 or more or even high 40s.  when you have s many batsmen averaging low and tailenders who cant hold bat, bowlers for sure will have great averages.   

[Shunya]

Only 2 points for 76 & 102* . Nonsense. ICC ki saazish . Still 14 points away from immortality. Would need one more brutal year with bat.