rkt.india Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Yeah, but has VHP/RSS asked for it like Asterix wants Islamic organizations to ask for it ? Which hindu temple has allowed a goat to be slaughtered inside its sanctum for Eid ? Muslims do not cut bakras in Mosques. Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Dalits are Hindus as well. Dalits are like dwarves of the family: hated by the family but only called family in the face of outsiders. Most Hindus don't consider Dalits to be hindus by the religious practice of being hindu, neither do the hindu texts. Even then the statement 'hindus have murdered and raped dalits for 2000 years' is correct, even if Dalits are subsets of Hindus. X can kill Y, even if Y is subset of X and we can still say X is killing Y. If you don't like it, then what about this: " Non-Dalit Hindus have been murdering and raping Dalit hindus for thousands of years" So are you okay with that statement ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Again, if you are going to taint millions of liberals by the most extreme 5-6 people, then we are going to start using the most extreme rapist sadhu hindus to represent all the hindus. Fair ? My point being FoE should be absolute, and liberals use it to defend their ilk, while call the other side bigots. The same is being done for Trump supporters as well. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: You think a Chef in Dubai got fired for uttering anti-Muslim statements because atheist liberals whined about it ??? Thats the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. He got fired because muslims in Dubai saw his tweet and the establishment is doing the right thing by firing a bigot who'd tarnish their image. Atul would be fired from any decent company for expressing bigotry like that. Not everywhere, only in muslim dominated countries. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: My point being FoE should be absolute, and liberals use it to defend their ilk, while call the other side bigots. The same is being done for Trump supporters as well. Again, if you wanna use half a dozen radical liberals to smear the millions of us, can we start using rapist Sadhus to represent all hindus ? FoE is never absolute. The moment you commit libel, its crime in every single nation and it should be. You don't get the right to make up false claims about me and damage my reputation or income under the guise of FoE, its simple libel, period. 9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Not everywhere, only in muslim dominated countries. He would be fired pretty much anywhere in the west except for deep south or red states in the US. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 35 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Dalits are like dwarves of the family: hated by the family but only called family in the face of outsiders. Most Hindus don't consider Dalits to be hindus by the religious practice of being hindu, neither do the hindu texts. Even then the statement 'hindus have murdered and raped dalits for 2000 years' is correct, even if Dalits are subsets of Hindus. X can kill Y, even if Y is subset of X and we can still say X is killing Y. If you don't like it, then what about this:" Non-Dalit Hindus have been murdering and raping Dalit hindus for thousands of years" So are you okay with that statement ? I dont agree with any of these bolded parts. There were crime against dalits just like it were there against all others. Nobody has rights to decide if someone is hindu or not. The idiot bramhins/pandits have done stupid things not just to dalits alone but they have done it against everyone including fellow bramhins. So please dont spread and believe in this propaganda that non-dalit dont consider dalits as hindu. I hear this lot from Pak muslims and evangelical missionaries so that they could prey on dalits for proselytization. rkt.india and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, dial_100 said: I dont agree with any of these bolded parts. There were crime against dalits just like it were there against all others. Nobody has rights to decide if someone is hindu or not. The idiot bramhins/pandits have done stupid things not just to dalits alone but they have done it against everyone including fellow bramhins. So please dont spread and believe in this propaganda that non-dalit dont consider dalits as hindu. I hear this lot from Pak muslims and evangelical missionaries so that they could prey on dalits for proselytization. Saying 'non-Dalit hindus have murdered and raped dalit hindus' is as factually accurate as saying 'muslims have murdered and raped hindus'. Both statements are true for some cases but false for most cases. That was my point. Hydra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrmiSinhaRay Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I dont agree with any of these bolded parts. There were crime against dalits just like it were there against all others. Nobody has rights to decide if someone is hindu or not. The idiot bramhins/pandits have done stupid things not just to dalits alone but they have done it against everyone including fellow bramhins. So please dont spread and believe in this propaganda that non-dalit dont consider dalits as hindu. I hear this lot from Pak muslims and evangelical missionaries so that they could prey on dalits for proselytization. Also, in parts of South India, Brahmins have been preyed upon by lower castes.Sent from my CPH1609 using Tapatalk coffee_rules, dial_100, DHONI_FANN and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, dial_100 said: I dont agree with any of these bolded parts. There were crime against dalits just like it were there against all others. Nobody has rights to decide if someone is hindu or not. The idiot bramhins/pandits have done stupid things not just to dalits alone but they have done it against everyone including fellow bramhins. So please dont spread and believe in this propaganda that non-dalit dont consider dalits as hindu. I hear this lot from Pak muslims and evangelical missionaries so that they could prey on dalits for proselytization. btw, my family is mostly brahmin themselves. I grew up as hindu, even did the whole pancha-devata pranaam after upanayan. And unlike most educated Bong families, my family is/was mostly not CPM, they were congressi(and now BJP). People think that atheists know jack about religion, but usually people become atheist because they know too much about the nonsense that is religion. I also am a history geek, so i am very well aware of the semi-slavery of the dalits in India through the ages. Edited June 15, 2018 by Muloghonto Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rkt.india Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 On 6/15/2018 at 11:27 PM, Muloghonto said: Saying 'non-Dalit hindus have murdered and raped dalit hindus' is as factually accurate as saying 'muslims have murdered and raped hindus'. Both statements are true for some cases but false for most cases. That was my point. its like saying Sunnis have killed Shias. I dont think there is any such thing like nondalit Hindus killing Dalit Hindus, suppressed yes, but not killing. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 If only India was more or as sensitive about controlling its population and pollution levels, along with improving situation for women, kids, elders and animals UrmiSinhaRay, Hydra and GoldenSun 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted_User_1 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 bhainchodo, kam dham nahin hain kya? It is a stupid TV show. BFD. Get over it. Go fight the poverty, castism, or many ills that affect the Indian society. sarcastic, Muloghonto and Hydra 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 5:32 AM, Mariyam said: Shahid Ombale Tukaram killed in action not martyr nor shahid..sounds like what a jihadi will call their dead otherwise. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 India has more issues than a TV show or a stupid movie, but typically those things are brushed under the carpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Hydra said: India has more issues than a TV show or a stupid movie, but typically those things are brushed under the carpet. So does Australia the genocide of aborigines, killing the native population by spreading disease you guys are no different than the Stalin , Mao and other guy. Don’t you still have the law that if an aborigine dies the land belongs to you guys. You are in violation of human rights. Sure India has other problems but not like you guys. You have bigger problems than many countries. Edited June 18, 2018 by gattaca UrmiSinhaRay and Jimmy Cliff 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 3 hours ago, gattaca said: So does Australia the genocide of aborigines, killing the native population by spreading disease you guys are no different than the Stalin , Mao and other guy. Don’t you still have the law that if an aborigine dies the land belongs to you guys. You are in violation of human rights. Sure India has other problems but not like you guys. You have bigger problems than many countries. dont worry about Australia...talk about Pakistan to Hydra bhai. asterix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Vilander said: dont worry about Australia...talk about Pakistan to Hydra bhai. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Vilander said: Tukaram killed in action not martyr nor shahid..sounds like what a jihadi will call their dead otherwise. The usage of the word shaheed is a lot more nuanced than you'd like to believe. There are gardens, parks and a basketball court in Mumbai named "Shaheed Tukaram Ombale". Some of them inaugurated by the ruling BJP state government. Are you trying to say that the BJP would also use jihadi nomenclature? Edited June 18, 2018 by Mariyam Turning_track, UrmiSinhaRay and Gollum 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, MultiB48 said: Billions are being spent on all these issues ,how much do you think will be spent on miss chopra? If indians had conquered large amounts of foreign territory and resources rather than being stuck in india ,instead getting invaded and settled and plundered and losing even more of fertile lands in punjab and bengal due to partitions, we wouldn't have had such a big problem. The concern about the issue should come from the people in general not the government, which I presume is spending the “billions”. This is not about the govt’s reaction on Chopra. Next question would be is spending money enough? What Ind or Indians did or did not in past is irrelevant. Population and Pollution control, cleanliness drive, caring for animals, safeguarding women’s interests, etc., are basics concepts. And the idea that government has to be involved with these (by spending money for e.g.) speaks about how less sensitive people in general in Ind could be for such issues Edited June 18, 2018 by zen GoldenSun and Hydra 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 On June 17, 2018 at 10:40 AM, rkt.india said: its like saying Sunnis have killed Shias. I dont think there is any such thing like nondalit Hindus killing Dalit Hindus, suppressed yes, but not killing. Google says you are wrong. Non Dalit Hindus have been killing Dalits for longer than Islam has existed GoldenSun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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