Who overstayed their welcome more

[Laaloo]

T20s

 

Sachin - Retired 5 years too early 

Dhoni - Already overstayed 8 years 

 

Tests -

 

You can argue Sachin stayed an year extra but even when he played he had some really good innings like the one at MCG in 2012.

 

Dhoni - I think he retired at the right time although he should have given up captaincy earlier.

 

 

ODIS

 

After WC 2011 where Sachin was the highest scorer, he only played 10 Odis out of the 29 Odis India played until his retirement. He never looked that bad.

 

 

Dhoni on the other hand is playing innings like playing 100 balls without scoring a boundary. He's struggling against spinners. Last match, he hit 3 good boundaries. But apart from that he didn't do anything. Couldn't rotate strike. If he plays the world cup and if he's anywhere near the middle order, we will be in trouble.

[mancalledsting]

10 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

T20s

 

Sachin - Retired 5 years too early 

Dhoni - Already overstayed 8 years 

 

Tests -

 

You can argue Sachin stayed an year extra but even when he played he had some really good innings like the one at MCG in 2012.

 

Dhoni - I think he retired at the right time although he should have given up captaincy earlier.

 

 

ODIS

 

After WC 2011 where Sachin was the highest scorer, he only played 10 Odis out of the 29 Odis India played until his retirement. He never looked that bad.

 

 

Dhoni on the other hand is playing innings like playing 100 balls without scoring a boundary. He's struggling against spinners. Last match, he hit 3 good boundaries. But apart from that he didn't do anything. Couldn't rotate strike. If he plays the world cup and if he's anywhere near the middle order, we will be in trouble.

Yaar, Dhoni should have retired from overseas tests after his debut test. The only saving grace for MSD, India historically had duds as WK/batsmen and overseas batsmen full stop and helped him to be viewed as 'revolutionary' and appropriate standard. Had MSD followed the Pant, Kishan or Sanju era....he wouldn't even be in line for selection. They guy is severely lacking in the fundamentals of how to play overseas test cricket..his knocks in Australia and other bowler friendly conditions were particularly painful to watch. 

Edited October 6, 2018 by mancalledsting

[velu]

3 hours ago, CSK Fan said:

My personal opinion is that Dhoni is just on the verge of crossing sachin 

 

my personal opinion about your personal opinion is that you are lying..

you would happily watch sachin play without even blinking  now

[velu]

28 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Yaar, Dhoni should have retired from overseas tests after his debut test. The only saving grace for MSD, India historically had duds as WK/batsmen and overseas batsmen full stop and helped him to be viewed as 'revolutionary' and appropriate standard. Had MSD followed the Pant, Kishan or Sanju era....he wouldn't even be in line for selection. They guy is severely lacking in the fundamentals of how to play overseas test cricket..his knocks in Australia and other bowler friendly conditions were particularly painful to watch. 

dhoni did better than sachin in the last england when they played together

[express bowling]

Overstaying his welcome was over during England ODI series 2018.

 

Now it is a case of overstaying despite veiled criticism by experts and his genuine fans.

[Zero_Unit]

Well with Sachin, atleast he was performing with the bat. With Dhoni on the other hand, performance is barely visible these days

[Nikola]

In Odis Sachin was key batsman till world cup after which he played around 10 matches in Odis in which he had avg stats.

 

In Tests yes he overstayed a bit but retired around similar time as of Dravid & VVS (yes played only 2 extra test series)

[Nikola]

Btw this will happen even with Virat. His peak will go down after 33-34 and he will play till 38-39. Though will still be fine batsman but no way near his peak.

[CSK Fan]

1 hour ago, velu said:

 

my personal opinion about your personal opinion is that you are lying..

you would happily watch sachin play without even blinking  now

Not really. Unlike you i dont say things just to troll. I am really a fan of sachin and indian cricket. You just pretended to be a dhoni fan to troll and now are caught in a sunk cost fallacy. Kinda like when you friends keep teasing you about some girl and then over a period of time you start actually developing feelings for her

[velu]

36 minutes ago, CSK Fan said:

Not really. Unlike you i dont say things just to troll. I am really a fan of sachin and indian cricket. You just pretended to be a dhoni fan to troll and now are caught in a sunk cost fallacy. Kinda like when you friends keep teasing you about some girl and then over a period of time you start actually developing feelings for her

 

fan of sachin .. agree 

fan of indian cricket .. highly doubtful 

[zen]

Discussing this is like "picking your poison"

 

Sachin

• Sachin could have retired at the end of 2011 max. The pursuit for the 100th 100 and 200th test were unwarranted (Knowing how Sachin "works", I had predicted a long time ago that he would not retire before playing his 200th test)
• Sachin test avg in 2012-2013 period is 28. In 2012, his avg in ODIs was 27 

 

Dhoni, his WK still adds some value but he has already passed the max time allowed. Could have retired after CT2017. Also his presence appears to encourage the selections of trundlers in ODIs  

• Avg in ODIs in 2018 is 28 
• Dhoni since Oct 01, 2017

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filtered	22	15	3	365	65	30.41	506	72.13	0	1	1	35	4

 

 

This one is a tie! .... and such trends are not good for Ind cricket 

 

Edited October 6, 2018 by zen

[velu]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

• Sachin test avg in 2012-2013 period is 28. In 2012, his avg in ODIs was 27 

 

 

thanks for the ammunition

 

[zen]

Dhoni could retire in two phases in LOIs:

• ODIs: after ODI WC 2019
• T20s: after T20 WC 2020

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Dhoni and its not even close. Dhoni is over since last 3 years.

[SUMO]

Sachin could have left test cricket after 2012 aus series debacle (followed by eng) but dravid laxman also retired after that. 

In ODIs WC 2011 was the perfect time to retire but he overstayed for just 10 matches...its forgivable. He scored 48 ball 52 in a 330 chase in his last match.

For current dhoni it will be like dream come true.

 

[mancalledsting]

8 hours ago, velu said:

dhoni did better than sachin in the last england when they played together

Yes Dhoni is clearly a better overseas batsmen than SRT...my mistake 

[Nash]

I would say Sachin. Dhoni Atleast got out of test team. But Sachin was atg so I won't mind it. As far question concern it was Sachin for me. 

[raki05]

Both should have retired after 11 wc. 

[sscomp32]

[CSK Fan]

Wow almost 90% against Dhoni. Didnt expect this