rtmohanlal Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: Other than McGrath, all other fast bowlers were not any notch above these current Aussie fast bowlers. pat cummins is yet to prove a lot in Asia. Gillespie av:ged 26.13 after 71 tests and was brilliant in Asia in general as well.So even if it is one-one comparisons Mcgrath >> Cummins......much more longevity, much better all round record , better over all avg: Gillespie > Hazlewood .....much more longevity, better avg: , better all round record Lee = starc considering Lee's longevity So all in all it is 1 or 2 levels above for me in favour of Mcgrath & co. Add Warne & Lyon into the mix , Mcgrath & co was atleast 2 levels superior Edited January 2, 2019 by rtmohanlal Rightarmfast 1
Trichromatic Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 McGrath > Cummins Gillespie > Hazelwood Lee = Starc Adi BB 1
Pollack Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 McGrath would ensure the best batsmen in the opposition are taken out of equations.And for our current team it means game over. 10 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: McGrath > Cummins Gillespie > Hazelwood Lee = Starc This. There is no reason to compare similar bowlers only. Stradlater and Rightarmfast 2
kohli Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Mcgrath >>>>>> cummins Gillespie >> hazelwood Lee = strac Warne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lyon Rightarmfast 1
rkt.india Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 52 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: pat cummins is yet to prove a lot in Asia. Gillespie av:ged 26.13 after 71 tests and was brilliant in Asia in general as well.So even if it is one-one comparisons Mcgrath >> Cummins......much more longevity, much better all round record , better over all avg: Gillespie > Hazlewood .....much more longevity, better avg: , better all round record Lee = starc considering Lee's longevity So all in all it is 1 or 2 levels above for me in favour of Mcgrath & co. Add Warne & Lyon into the mix , Mcgrath & co was atleast 2 levels superior Hazlewood averages 26 after 43 tests so not a small sample size. Both are equal. McGrath better than Cummins statewise 21 vs 23. Starc better than Brett Lee 28 vs 30.
Nonbeliever Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Also consider the kind of batting line up srilanka,west indies,bangladesh,pakistan, south africa has now.
express bowling Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Special bowlers raise the quality of the total attack disproportionately. McGrath and Warne were two such special bowlers. When they played, that too two special bowlers together ... they gave the Aussie attack an extra special quality. Otherwise, there is not much qualitative difference between Gillespie and Hazlewood or Lee and Starc. Cummins may become a special bowler in the coming days if he has longevity as a bowler, because he combines intelligence and match awareness with pace and bounce. Edited January 3, 2019 by express bowling Vijy, Vilander and The Dark Horse 3
Stan AF Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 56 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: McGrath > Cummins Gillespie > Hazelwood Lee = Starc Lee was actually a MOS in one of the most competitive BG Trophy affairs(2007/08). Plus I'm guessing he has like 300 Test wickets as well.
rkt.india Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 30 minutes ago, Nonbeliever said: Also consider the kind of batting line up srilanka,west indies,bangladesh,pakistan, south africa has now. Which great batting line did WI, BD, Pakistan had in 2000s? Switchblade and Nonbeliever 1 1
rkt.india Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Stan AF said: Lee was actually a MOS in one of the most competitive BG Trophy affairs(2007/08). Plus I'm guessing he has like 300 Test wickets as well. You may not know but Starc has 198 wickets in 48 tests. As a comparison, Philander has 205 in 55 tests despite playing on bowling paradise of South Africa. Edited January 2, 2019 by rkt.india
rkt.india Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, Stan AF said: Lee was actually a MOS in one of the most competitive BG Trophy affairs(2007/08). Plus I'm guessing he has like 300 Test wickets as well. In that 2008 series, we had two batsmen in form SRT and vvs. Dravid was struggling. Sehwag only played two tests. Switchblade 1
Nonbeliever Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: Which great batting line did WI, BD, Pakistan had in 2000s? Yes lara,chander paul,inzmam,saeed anwar and mohammad yusuf were all pathetic batsman. Jimmy Cliff and Stan AF 2
GolGappe Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Skills wise: Starc and company are not that far behind. Intimidation wise: McGrath and company were light years ahead. Aussies were feared and won half of the battles before the series even began. Stan AF 1
zen Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 As a group, they bowled better iirc esp with Warne around
kubrickian Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 Ishant, Bumrah and Shami outbowled them comfortably in this series and they are supposed to be better than ATG bowlers. Gimme a break. I dont know what the OP is smoking. Nonbeliever, Stan AF, Stradlater and 1 other 4
rkt.india Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Nonbeliever said: Yes lara,chander paul,inzmam,saeed anwar and mohammad yusuf were all pathetic batsman. Max 3 batsmen in WI, 3 in Pak side. Even those Pak batsmen were nothing great overseas.
Vilander Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 10 hours ago, AmreekanDesi said: I genuinely think there is a case. Lets compare like to like. McGrath > Hazelwood. Ok no questions here. McGrath bests him hands down even though Hazelwood is great in his own right. Starc > Lee. This is definitely close in Odis but in tests, Lee was never the same threat and didn’t play a lot either. Starc is streets ahead of Lee here imo Cummins >> Gillespie. This is a clincher. No competition here. Genuinely the current Aussie pace attack has claims to be better than the early 2000s one. I think they are better with the new ball but are not as good with the slightly older ball and outright poorer with the older one.
Vilander Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Gillespie > Hazelwood this is a crucial bit. ( Although Hazelwood gets the new ball often) I think Gillespie bowled better with the older ball. As good Hazelwood is, he is with new ball i think Gillespie outbowled him and could also bowl with lots of pace. Mcgrath > Cummins ( although Mcgrath opened bowling) In terms of where Mcgrath is yes overall, and the fact that it was never possible to dominate of keep Mcgrath quite for long. But Cummins is very very good. Lee/Starc - pretty much even.
Nonbeliever Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Max 3 batsmen in WI, 3 in Pak side. Even those Pak batsmen were nothing great overseas. How many are in Indian side now. The no 1 test side.
rtmohanlal Posted January 2, 2019 Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: Hazlewood averages 26 after 43 tests so not a small sample size. Both are equal. McGrath better than Cummins statewise 21 vs 23. Starc better than Brett Lee 28 vs 30. you shall believe with your verdict and I shall stick on with mine
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