Pant's shot selection has let the team down sometimes - Shastri

[Cricwala]

On 9/17/2019 at 9:53 PM, putrevus said:

I repeat Kohli is the best captain India ever had in all formats and I don't need you to tell me otherwise.I have seen all Indian captains.

The same WI team not just beat they embrassed England.

Stop looking for faults.

 

 

3 overseas tours in next 2 yrs will settle the debate - NZL, then AUS, then Eng ...with opening slots in chaos and new experiment with Rohit, 5-6 uncertainty between Rahane, Vihari, Hardik, pant under pressure, Jadeja as preferred overseas spinner over Kuldeep/attacking leggie, poor slip catching without specialists, and no proper 4th 5th pacer groomed, things not looking too bright for us.

[bahubali]

On 9/17/2019 at 9:53 PM, putrevus said:

I repeat Kohli is the best captain India ever had in all formats and I don't need you to tell me otherwise.I have seen all Indian captains.

The same WI team not just beat they embrassed England.

Stop looking for faults.

 

 

If that's the only thing you can do "Repeat" rather than hearing others and thing objectively sense might had prevail but alas. Anyway kohli is just a dumb who keep doing same mistake and expect different result. Other Indian captains never had luxury of power, resources and playerswhuch kohli had. During the era when India used to be mediocre side still ganguly produce better result than kohli in major events also produce road map of Indian cricket with long term vision which dhoni and kohli get benefitted with. Dhoni took it to the next level in Odis by winning all the major ICC events and taking India to no 1 in test cricket. While kohli maintained the test ranking due to home dominance but pulled back India in same era where India was unable to win any major event and his legacy ll be remembered as biletral king/ rich man Amla and biggest choker from India in ICC events.

[Real McCoy]

Maybe Pant was drinking shots from bewdas whiskey bottle

[saik]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/video/clip?id=27659238

 

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by saik

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

Maybe Pant was drinking shots from bewdas whiskey bottle

Bewda was Pant supporter initially. Kohli seems to manipulated him or Pant stole Shastri's whiskey bottles.

[Ankit_sharma03]

21 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Bewda was Pant supporter initially. Kohli seems to manipulated him or Pant stole Shastri's whiskey bottles.

Bewda use to be always a supporter of including youngster in his commentary days . He was againsnt ganguly in chappell phase saying chappell is right by bringing in youngsters.....thats where things went sour btw him n ganguly

[Real McCoy]

2 hours ago, Pollack said:

Bewda was Pant supporter initially. Kohli seems to manipulated him or Pant stole Shastri's whiskey bottles.

bewda is just a mouthpiece for rat. he usually likes youngsters. if at all there is a positive from him, he can be a good motivator for youth who are down on confidence. but he needs to quit his coaching job first or he needs the axe. Then some visionary in BCCI must give him that role which I doubt will happen.

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Bewda use to be always a supporter of including youngster in his commentary days . He was againsnt ganguly in chappell phase saying chappell is right by bringing in youngsters.....thats where things went sour btw him n ganguly

There is more to the story than what meets the eye. its all politics. ganguly is not an angel either nor is bewda is as bad as everyone sees him. But both are good politicians which is key to surviving in any position in India let alone cricket

Edited September 21, 2019 by Real McCoy

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

 

There is more to the story than what meets the eye. its all politics. ganguly is not an angel either nor is bewda is as bad as everyone sees him. But both are good politicians which is key to surviving in any position in India let alone cricket

ofcourse ganguly was also very political 

[gattaca]

Reminds me of TM scolding Pujara in tests. Pant is getting same treatment.

[Straight Drive]

15 hours ago, Pollack said:

Bewda was Pant supporter initially. Kohli seems to manipulated him or Pant stole Shastri's whiskey bottles.

Pant must be disappointed when he opened the bottle box. The bottle must have been empty.

[putrevus]

On 9/21/2019 at 1:10 AM, bahubali said:

If that's the only thing you can do "Repeat" rather than hearing others and thing objectively sense might had prevail but alas. Anyway kohli is just a dumb who keep doing same mistake and expect different result. Other Indian captains never had luxury of power, resources and playerswhuch kohli had. During the era when India used to be mediocre side still ganguly produce better result than kohli in major events also produce road map of Indian cricket with long term vision which dhoni and kohli get benefitted with. Dhoni took it to the next level in Odis by winning all the major ICC events and taking India to no 1 in test cricket. While kohli maintained the test ranking due to home dominance but pulled back India in same era where India was unable to win any major event and his legacy ll be remembered as biletral king/ rich man Amla and biggest choker from India in ICC events.

I will take dumb captain who has highest winning % over any intelligent captain.Other Indian captains didn't have that luxury becuase they were not that good, Kohli leads from from with bat and he has transformed him from good to great batsmen after becoming captain.

 

Ganguly with long care vision what exactly was that??? Ganguly is still living of that 2001 home win. Dhoni won 3 ICC trophies in ten years and lost how many???He was one shot away from losing two of those three ICC cups.  How many semis he missed ?????Kohli just captained two ICC got to finals in one and Semis in other.What  are you complaining for ???

[someone]

Pant is the new Pathiv Patel. He has the youth, feel-good factor image but yet questionable talent.

[Ankit_sharma03]

No way to handle a young human resource: Gautam Gambhir slams team management for treatment of Rishabh Pant

 

 

it is fair to say that Indian wicketkeeper Rishabh Pant has flattered to deceive after being picked for the senior team during the World Cup 2019. While at times Pant's audacious strokeplay has won hearts of cricket fans across the world, his inability to convert his starts into substantial scores has left many frustrated - not least the Indian team management including coach Ravi Shastri.

In his past 9 international innings across formats, Pant has managed only 151 runs at a below-par average of 18.87, including 2 ducks. This has led to Shastri saying that there will be a 'rap on the knuckles' if Pant continues with his devil-may-care attitude. Newly appointed batting coach Vikram Rathour has also demanded Pant to bring in 'a little bit of discipline' in his game. Former Indian opener Gautam Gambhir has however slammed these statements saying that it's 'no way to handle a young human resource'.

"Personally, I have always backed Sanju Samson ahead of Rishabh for wicketkeeper-batsman's role but it is disappointing to see the team-management using words like 'from fearless to careless', 'rap on Rishbah's knuckles' and 'need for a backup of Rishabh'," Gambhir wrote in his column for Times of India.

"This is no way to handle a young human resource. Everyone wants him to play 'sensible' cricket. I don't know what that means. What I do know is that the boy is now playing for survival rather than scoring runs. From the outside, it seems that his mindset is all over the place. Someone needs to put an arm around his shoulder and tell him that he is wanted in the team," Gambhir wrote.

Rathour, on his part, while recognizing the talent Pant possesses, expects him to be 'smart enough' to understand the 'fine line between fearless cricket and careless cricket'.

"All the young players need to understand that there is a fine line between fearless cricket and careless cricket. What the team management is asking from them is fearless cricket, having clear gameplans and playing with intent but at the same time, you can't be careless. I am sure they are smart enough to understand that," Rathour said.

"As far as Rishabh is concerned, he is a phenomenal player, he just needs to sort out his gameplan, needs to bring in a little bit of discipline in his cricket."

Rap on the knuckles

During the recent 3rd ODI against West Indies in Port-of-Spain, Pant skipped down the track against bowler Fabian Allen off his 1st ball with India needing 164 runs to win off 22.3 overs, ending up losing his wicket.

Referring to the same incident, Shastri said in an interview to Star Sports: "When you see a shot like the one in Trinidad, off the first ball, (it's disappointing). He tries to repeat it a couple of times and gets out, he will be told."

"There will be a rap on the knuckles there - talent or no talent - because you are letting the team down, forget letting yourself down. You are letting the team down in a situation where you have the captain at the other end. You have a target to chase where the need of the hour is some sensible cricket," Shastri added.

Pant will be seen in action as India take on South Africa in the 3rd T20I of the ongoing series in Bengaluru on Sunday.

 

Link https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/india-vs-south-africa-t20i-series-gautam-gambhir-rishabh-pant-ravi-shastri-virat-kohli-fearless-careless-1601973-2019-09-22

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 hour ago, someone said:

Pant is the new Pathiv Patel. He has the youth, feel-good factor image but yet questionable talent.

Pant has performances too, not just youth or feel good factor. 

• 1000+ runs in a FC season
• A triple 100 in a FC match
• Two monster IPL seasons
• India A performances
• 2 away Test 100s in Eng and Aus
• Avg of 45+ in his short Test career

Comparisons with Parthiv Patel are an insult to Pant

[kirkutfan]

On 9/21/2019 at 7:10 AM, bahubali said:

If that's the only thing you can do "Repeat" rather than hearing others and thing objectively sense might had prevail but alas. Anyway kohli is just a dumb who keep doing same mistake and expect different result. Other Indian captains never had luxury of power, resources and playerswhuch kohli had. During the era when India used to be mediocre side still ganguly produce better result than kohli in major events also produce road map of Indian cricket with long term vision which dhoni and kohli get benefitted with. Dhoni took it to the next level in Odis by winning all the major ICC events and taking India to no 1 in test cricket. While kohli maintained the test ranking due to home dominance but pulled back India in same era where India was unable to win any major event and his legacy ll be remembered as biletral king/ rich man Amla and biggest choker from India in ICC events.

There are arguments in favor of or against Kohli’s captaincy. However, I am not sure that we can say that he had the best of resources. Is his side’s batting line up better than Sehwag,Dravid, Sachin, Ganguly and Laxman? Are his spinners better than Kumble/ Bhajji? His fast bowling resources are the best that we have ever had. But his team has limitations too. He can’t just show with his team and just say “play ball”. He has had to be shrewd enough with managing his resources to compile a decent win/loss record in all formats. Also, while he has made mistakes, he is hardly a choker. The fighting mindset he has when he comes out to bat are matched by few. Also, while he is not a rocket scientist, he is no dummy either. 

[TheWall]

On 9/19/2019 at 12:44 PM, ShoonyaSifar said:

A 21 year old young player succumbing to pressure after coach and captain publicly criticised him and his batting failure was a topic of national debate for 3 days..hardly surprising. 

 

Our WC debacle and DHoni hiding at 7 was not dissected as much in detail. Tells you why this is a paid diatribe against Pant.

That means pant has been paid to throw away his wkt...

[putrevus]

Gambhir needs to shut his mouth about TM,, this moron advocated Rohit Sharma as an test opener, enough said about his cricketing acumen.

 

Coaching staff has to placate to media also, how is Gambhir assuming that Pant is not being given support inside the dressing room. He is batting at no4 even after his failures.

[cricketfan28]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

Gambhir needs to shut his mouth about TM,, this moron advocated Rohit Sharma as an test opener, enough said about his cricketing acumen.

 

Coaching staff has to placate to media also, how is Gambhir assuming that Pant is not being given support inside the dressing room. He is batting at no4 even after his failures.

May be Gambhir has his men in the team, lol. Anything is possible .

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

May be Gambhir has his men in the team, lol. Anything is possible .

U dnt need men in dressing room, its been evident how youngsters have been insecure under this TM. If someone like KL with that record in t20 is sitting on bench and players like dhawan jadeja pandey being below in t20 is playing it tells u that performing well also cant guarntee a place. Players were given 2-3 games before being dumped prior wc 2019. Gambhir has been pant captain n can tell from far away how his player is feeling. The look pant gave after his 1st t20 dismissal showed how much pressure he is under, ajay jadeja also pointed it out. Every day interview from tm on pant is just putting spot light on him

[cricketfan28]

36 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U dnt need men in dressing room, its been evident how youngsters have been insecure under this TM. If someone like KL with that record in t20 is sitting on bench and players like dhawan jadeja pandey being below in t20 is playing it tells u that performing well also cant guarntee a place. Players were given 2-3 games before being dumped prior wc 2019. Gambhir has been pant captain n can tell from far away how his player is feeling. The look pant gave after his 1st t20 dismissal showed how much pressure he is under, ajay jadeja also pointed it out. Every day interview from tm on pant is just putting spot light on him

possible.