R!TTER Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) You pick Kuldeep Yadav over collar eater, 99 times out of 100 the exception being when he's injured Edited December 18, 2019 by R!TTER Frustrated, raki05, coffee_rules and 1 other 4
Insidious Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 One has to admit that not picking two genuine wicket takers - kuldeep and shami has cost us the world cup. After Champions trophy debacle, we went for genuine wicket takers, and with that template we won series in Australia, Newzealand and South Africa. But just because in one match we lost against England, we abandoned that template in semis and did all the harakiri. It will always be the biggest black mark in Kohl's Captaincy. AuxiliA, velu, Cricwala and 4 others 1 2 4
nevada Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, Insidious said: One has to admit that not picking two genuine wicket takers - kuldeep and shami has cost us the world cup. After Champions trophy debacle, we went for genuine wicket takers, and with that template we won series in Australia, Newzealand and South Africa. But just because in one match we lost against England, we abandoned that template in semis and did all the harakiri. It will always be the biggest black mark in Kohl's Captaincy. Shami's inclusion may or may not have made a big difference but it is the batsmen who lost the game for us. Kuldeep had a bad IPL and was low on confidence. sandeep 1
R!TTER Posted December 18, 2019 Author Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, nevada said: but it is the batsmen who lost the game I don't agree with that, our bowling at the front & in the middle was horrendous on a helpful pitch. Chahal was by far the worst bowler on display, on a helpful surface where Santner out-bowled him by miles, & BK was not good enough when it mattered the most. The key to winning high profile chases is to keep the opposition down to a below par total, the score by NZ was about par but the bowlers could & should have done more - just like some most of the batters. Edited December 18, 2019 by R!TTER raki05 1
ShoonyaSifar Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Play both, simple and easy. Both bowl well together, data shows that. But for some strange reason that pair was broken up to accommodate Jadeja in the run up to the WC. Jadeja should at best be looked at as the 5th bowler and should play only when we need a spin bowling all rounder. He’s averaging 60 with the ball this year but has been a certainty across formats in last 6 months just because he’s been batting better in Tests. Cricwala and nevada 2
rahulrulezz Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Insidious said: One has to admit that not picking two genuine wicket takers - kuldeep and shami has cost us the world cup. After Champions trophy debacle, we went for genuine wicket takers, and with that template we won series in Australia, Newzealand and South Africa. But just because in one match we lost against England, we abandoned that template in semis and did all the harakiri. It will always be the biggest black mark in Kohl's Captaincy. THIS!!! Playing Chahal over Kuldeep in a must win SF was the biggest mistake Kohli has ever made (and he keeps making it). I am all for wrist spinners (Kuldeep and Chahal over finger spinners) but when it comes Kuldeep v Chahal, I will take Kuldeep 100 out of 100 times. Santer showed how that pitch was so much in favor of spinners, we jsut couldnt play Santner. Compare that to Chahal, who like in every single IPL must win game, crumbled under pressure raki05 and velu 2
express bowling Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Play Bumrah Shami Kuldeep Chahal if fit. No need for either / or. The so called economical bowlers just give a false sense of security in LOIs these days. If you cannot take wickets at all stages of the game, you will lose in LOIs nowadays. Even 1 big partnership is enough. So, just a couple of wicket takers won't do. AuxiliA, Stan AF, raki05 and 6 others 7 2
vvvslaxman Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 I don't mind playing Cha but Kul has to be his bowling partner not Jaddu. It is very rare batsmen were able to target both in a match. beetle, AuxiliA and raki05 3
ShoonyaSifar Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, express bowling said: Play Bumrah Shami Kuldeep Chahal if fit. No need for either / or. The so called economical bowlers just give a false sense of security in LOIs these days. If you cannot take wickets at all stages of the game, you will lose in LOIs nowadays. Even 1 big partnership is enough. So, just a couple of wicket takers won't do. Not in useless LOIs though. Both should be allowed to pick and chose LOIs they want to play to stay match fit. raki05 1
raki05 Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 But please don't bring BHU- KHA ever again. tweaker, VT87, Mosher and 6 others 1 7 1
express bowling Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: Not in useless LOIs though. Both should be allowed to pick and chose LOIs they want to play to stay match fit. We are talking about important ODIs here ... in tourmaments or against strong teams. Mosher 1
rkt.india Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Insidious said: One has to admit that not picking two genuine wicket takers - kuldeep and shami has cost us the world cup. After Champions trophy debacle, we went for genuine wicket takers, and with that template we won series in Australia, Newzealand and South Africa. But just because in one match we lost against England, we abandoned that template in semis and did all the harakiri. It will always be the biggest black mark in Kohl's Captaincy. Kuldeep did play WC and was poor.
R!TTER Posted December 19, 2019 Author Posted December 19, 2019 Chahal wasn't much better, in fact take the hapless SA out this is what he did View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 May 2019 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Involving any of the players YS Chahal (INDIA) or Kuldeep Yadav (INDIA) Ordered by wickets taken (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 YS Chahal 5 5 47.0 0 317 7 4/51 45.28 6.74 40.2 1 0 Kuldeep Yadav 4 4 38.0 1 205 4 2/32 51.25 5.39 57.0 0 0 RA Jadeja 1 1 10.0 0 34 1 1/34 34.00 3.40 60.0 0 0 KM Jadhav 4 2 5.0 0 30 0 - - 6.00 - 0 0 Of course you'll obviously ignore their economy, goes with the MO of defending midget at costs View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or Pakistan Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 May 2019 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Involving any of the players YS Chahal (INDIA) or Kuldeep Yadav (INDIA) Ordered by wickets taken (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 YS Chahal 4 4 37.0 0 266 3 2/62 88.66 7.18 74.0 0 0 Kuldeep Yadav 3 3 28.0 1 159 3 2/32 53.00 5.67 56.0 0 0 RA Jadeja 1 1 10.0 0 34 1 1/34 34.00 3.40 60.0 0 0 KM Jadhav 3 1 1.0 0 14 0 - - 14.00 - 0 0
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