Blame goes to?

[RajBan]

Ashwin has been ineffective with ball in SENA for long.

 

However people who watch cricket regularly know it well that he has been also very ordinary with bat in last 2 years in all conditions which raises more questions why exactly should he be labelled as somebody who can bat and then use that argument to justify his inclusion. His degree of uselessness is only breaching new benchmarks with every away series. What he does with ball can also be performed by Vihari and allows us to play a player suited better to the conditions or provide more all-round value.

 

By the way this is no way to say that we lost only due to Ashwin. He is not even the top three reasons but he is definitely somebody who has been going under the radar and getting undue sympathy due to recent series wins.

[RajBan]

Also I am disheartened to see Shaw's performance. Looks like the flaws he has may be not that easy to overcome if the bowlers are intelligent. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

 

 

[Cricwala]

7 hours ago, Adi_91 said:

Maybe fatigue is the cause? Too much traveling and too many games.

Pujara, Rahane, Ashwin, Ishant, Vihari - these 5 guys play only tests. Mayank, Shaw - also test specialists, just got lucky to get a chance in ODIs. \

 

Pant- must be happy to finally get a proper game.

 

Kohli, Shami, Bumrah - we all wld have cheered if they skipped the ODIs to rest/prepare for tests.

 

So no, they can't peddle the 'faitgue' excuse, not when ishant beat jet-lag to put in such a performance.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Cricwala

[Cricwala]

batsmen, bowlers and Wrogn - all aspects were shoddy.

 

In SENA conditions, chances of first innings collapse are always high, for any team. It is bowlers who must rise to occasion to keep ur team in the game - Shami and Bumrah both went missing. Shami always blows hot and cold (wtf didn't he dive when Jamieson gave a return catch??), and he didn't get a 2nd innings to perform, but Bumrah's toothlessness hurt us even more.

 

Then at 225-7, Kohli made inexplicable bowling changes, and a lead of 183 is just too much for our batting line-up to overcome in SENA. 

 

Our bowling has to lead, batting has to support them to win in SENA. As for our familiar struggle to dismiss opposition tail, playing a wrist-spinner (even a mediocre one) is essential just for that one aspect alone. But. we. refuse. to. learn.

 

Anyway, this team comes back after a kick in the gut - they showed it in SA, in Eng (Lords test defeat was equally deflating), in 2017 series against Aus at home....so I expect a spirited fight back in 2nd test.

 

But all the big talk of best touring team EVER should now be officially dismissed as just that - 'Big Talk'.

[Sandeep99]

If Vihari has to maintain his place, he should become Moeen Ali kind of a player for India. Work on your bowling to ensure you bowl 15 overs a day.  In India, specialist spinners can play. Overseas we need just 1 proper spinner and that can be Jadeja who is way more effective than useless Ashwin and can actually pick wickets when conditions aid him. He’s way more better batsman as well. Please kick out Rahane as he’s just a darpok useless cricketer and just a free wicket for opposition bowlers to toy with.

[FischerTal]

In the words of angry rantman, no PASSION, no AGGRESSION, no VISION.

[Real McCoy]

I was thinking about blaming the batsmen but kaptaan super v is to be blamed. He used the home series to bring in his best mate hitman only to push shaw to open the innings in overseas conditions. He should have used someone like Rahul or even Pujara to open than this hack Sharma. It looks great when rohit hits the sixer record in the home series. But it sells a false dawn when faced with sena conditions when Rohit shows up. Imagine someone like Saini missing out because the other Sharma gets his chance immediately after returning from injury. Its another thing that Ishant was the best bowler in this test but he couldn't create enough pressure to bowl them out sooner than 350. Every time he shows up in the ads like that uber ad, i feel like He probably took uber after his dismissals. Thats why he ended up going to the dressing room like a tracer bullet. And the other chwet bevda. @Gollum excellent avatar . With battliwala as coach and super v as captain, they will achieve "great" things. In the next test, they should aim for innings defeat.

[SRT100]

Having watched a lot of this match, sure a lot of luck went against India but India also manufactured this loss by giving away their wickets.

 

Mayank and Kohli in the 1st innings along with the Pant run out, basically cost us the game from that point.

 

If one of these guys had gone on to make a 100, the shift in momentum would be palpable.

 

Even despite the 1st innings debacle, if the last 3 NZ wickets of the 1st innings didnt cost 130+ runs, India still could have have won.

 

I blame the batsmen. They had 2 chances to try and fight and blew both of them.

[LordPrabhzy]

I mean if Test cricket has come down to Home dominance and Away rubbishness then whats the point of even watching or following. People can come up with bshitt excuse that oh Eng and Aus also struggle in India.. so? Why cant we aim to be different and also have the ability to beat them in THEIR home turf regularly. Thats what the two ATG teams, WI and Aus used to do.

 

If Brat and the other hyped up Indian players are not going to prioritise away tests simply because they can beat the same opponents at home then I am not following further test matches.. I had stopped following LOI bilateral anyway and the Test cricket was my only hope of us being rejuvenated and finally giving it the respect but its all a facade. Looks like the Worldcups are the only thing worth watching... oh wait we are chokers in that too!!

[sscomp32]

Where is Dhoni in options?

[Nikola]

Bump. I think blame goes to fans who expect more from this team which has set mediocre standards for themselves overseas. 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Nikola

[nevada]

2 hours ago, Nikola said:

Bump. I think blame goes to fans who expect more from this team which has set mediocre standards for themselves overseas. 

Yes, we are fools for expecting these pretentious douchebags to improve their abysmal SENA record. Bevda and Birat are the biggest frauds ever to run Indian cricket. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

batsman and TM

but where are the usual options of Dhoni n Pandya 

[Sandeep99]

On 2/24/2020 at 10:53 AM, FischerTal said:

In the words of angry rantman, no PASSION, no AGGRESSION, no VISION.

Did he post a video already on this series? Would love to watch 

[bhakum20]

On 2/24/2020 at 8:09 PM, LordPrabhzy said:

I mean if Test cricket has come down to Home dominance and Away rubbishness then whats the point of even watching or following. People can come up with bshitt excuse that oh Eng and Aus also struggle in India.. so? Why cant we aim to be different and also have the ability to beat them in THEIR home turf regularly. Thats what the two ATG teams, WI and Aus used to do.

 

If Brat and the other hyped up Indian players are not going to prioritise away tests simply because they can beat the same opponents at home then I am not following further test matches.. I had stopped following LOI bilateral anyway and the Test cricket was my only hope of us being rejuvenated and finally giving it the respect but its all a facade. Looks like the Worldcups are the only thing worth watching... oh wait we are chokers in that too!!

the toss should be chucked out for tests, and visiting team should be given the option. That should hopefully make it slightly more competitive.

 

Although looking at the way the batsmen just gave up AFTER getting a small lead shows that even winning the toss would’ve been pointless. The batsmen would’ve folded in an even more spectacular fashion in the 4th innings against boult and co. Lions at home, lambs abroad for life!

[rkt.india]

On 2/24/2020 at 5:39 PM, LordPrabhzy said:

I mean if Test cricket has come down to Home dominance and Away rubbishness then whats the point of even watching or following. People can come up with bshitt excuse that oh Eng and Aus also struggle in India.. so? Why cant we aim to be different and also have the ability to beat them in THEIR home turf regularly. Thats what the two ATG teams, WI and Aus used to do.

 

If Brat and the other hyped up Indian players are not going to prioritise away tests simply because they can beat the same opponents at home then I am not following further test matches.. I had stopped following LOI bilateral anyway and the Test cricket was my only hope of us being rejuvenated and finally giving it the respect but its all a facade. Looks like the Worldcups are the only thing worth watching... oh wait we are chokers in that too!!

There is another aspect. Those ATG teams could win overseas because other teams weren't that good even at home. These days most teams are really good at home.  England was rubbish in 90s everywhere. Even ATG Aus could not beat England in England once they became stronger.

[LordPrabhzy]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

There is another aspect. Those ATG teams could win overseas because other teams weren't that good even at home. These days most teams are really good at home.  England was rubbish in 90s everywhere. Even ATG Aus could not beat England in England once they became stronger.

They only lost in England to England in the 2005 epic Ashes.. i dont recall any other time in the 90s or early 2000s where Aus lost in England, unless I am mistaken so please feel free to correct me.

[Cricwala]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

There is another aspect. Those ATG teams could win overseas because other teams weren't that good even at home. These days most teams are really good at home.  England was rubbish in 90s everywhere. Even ATG Aus could not beat England in England once they became stronger.

Windies beat good teams everywhere....so did Aus. We aren't expecting that ATG status - but atleast give us the narrow 1-0 wins, battling draws, or hard-fought losses that the 2000s team gave us. In that period, this was our SENA record, against mostly tougher SENA teams  

 

Aus: 1-1 in 2003-04; 1-2 loss in 2007-08

Eng: 1-1 draw in 2002; 1-0 win in 2007

SA: 0-1 loss in 2001-02; 1-2 loss in 2006-07, 1-1 draw in 2010-11

NZ: 0-2 loss in 2002; 1-0 win in 2009

 

Kohli-Shaz have delivered two absolute drubbings in SENA: 1-4 loss in Eng and 0-2 in NZ (pitches in 2002 loss were much-much worse). A drubbing in Aus later this year is on the cards...

 

Why has our SENA standard fallen below the earlier level when other teams have regressed and our own pace attack now is better? Yes, we don't have a fab 4 batting line up like earlier, but has this TM bothered to groom young batsmen properly?

[Rasgulla]

On 2/24/2020 at 6:36 PM, sscomp32 said:

Where is Dhoni in options?