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Axar patel wud be the key against England

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13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

31 was prior to this test and yea we saw and we knew but AXar batting ability is also pretty good 

 

 

what pace does england have apart from Archer who has started to hold himself in test , there is no mark wood 

Eager to drive is fine it wont be seaming around

 

We are looking for a long term solution and not a player for this series only. This is because Jaddu is having injury issues off late and a backup needs to be kept.

 

I would be happy if Axar is good ... but will keep an open mind rather than justify his presence by any means.

 

 

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

By this logic even when sundar drives he play away from the body so he is also a candidate of getting caught in slips . Infact sundar doesnt put full weight on front foot while driving so everyone has an issue .

 

 

Sundar is much more selective in his shot selection. Felt it every time I have seen him bat. 

 

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May be 3 factors must have weighed in while going in for tall , accurate & quicker spinners looking at the style of play of Eng batsmen.

1. Sweep & Reverse Sweep - Root alone has played more than 130 sweeps in SL and score > 130 . If he does this in India fate of the series will be changed .

2. Coming down and lofting - they have destroyed our slower spinners when ball is flighted .

3. Batting ability of these players  who are some what nearer to Jaddu than pure spinners .

 

Is the thinking  that  to counter the above , have spinners who may get more bounce and chance of ball going in the air is more while sweeping or they can bowl more yorker length balls  coming down from 9+ feet release which is a wicket taking ball  while sweeping.Also make coming down against them  difficult ???

 

There seems to be some thinking around these lines behind the selection .

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1 hour ago, Cricket_Fan said:

How many times have an overseas pacer been successful in India? I am pretty sure its so rare that we can count on our fingers. Pace without skill to reverse the SG ball is just gonna be cannon fodder on Indian pitches. You can see how Nortje fared in the last SA series who bowls at higher average pace than Archer. And what I have seen of Archer, he gets tired even in England and don’t see him maintaining his intensity in hot Indian conditions.

I have seen the likes of Zaheer Khan smoking Mitchell Johnson in tests in India. Both Axar and Ashwin are good to bat at No 7 in India.

 

 

Our batting is very susceptible to sudden collapses these days, irrespective of the bowling attack or pitch type. Need a good enough No.7 for this purpose.

 

Another point, although not applicable to the Chennai test, is that we are getting a lot of sporting pitches in India in the last 4 years.

 

 

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6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Our batting is very susceptible to sudden collapses these days, irrespective of the bowling attack or pitch type. Need a good enough No.7 for this purpose.

 

Another point, although not applicable to the Chennai test, is that we are getting a lot of sporting pitches in India in the last 4 years.

 

 

When was such a collapse happened in India last time due to a pacer? The ‘sporting’ pitches in India are not the same as in SENA. If it were, Saha wouldn’t have scored two centuries and two fifties in India which also happened in last 4 years.

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1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

SL 2017 & Hazelwood as Bangalore the same year. Not exactly due to "pace" but in each case the kind of pitch with the type of bowling they had ensured we'd be in a hole.

Lakmal in that first test vs SL in 2017..  Gee we gave them green top & they blown us away in 1st inns..  That Shami vs Dickwella duel was funny in that game..

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21 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

obv na one has played 39 games vs 117 games, no one can take 400 wkts in 39 games

That wasn't his point. He is not saying that he should take 400 wickets in a much smaller sample size, just that the sample size difference must be accounted for when you do a like for like comparison and due consideration should be paid to someone who has been performing for a longer period of time in domestic cricket. I have nothing against axar though it seems like he will get picked for being able to bat a bit.  

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1 minute ago, rollingstoned said:

That wasn't his point. He is not saying that he should take 400 wickets in a much smaller sample size, just that the sample size difference must be accounted for when you do a like for like comparison and due consideration should be paid to someone who has been performing for a longer period of time in domestic cricket. I have nothing against axar though it seems like he will get picked for being able to bat a bit.  

 

that also can raise another point that despite playing for long he never was preffered at top coz he may have lacked something. 

Ppl are undermining axar bowling coz its not classical and coz he has extra skills, but same was done in case of jaddu when nadeem was also around . Also in a country of billion only 11 can plays so u cant be fair to everyone, at the end its what better for the team. England relies heavily on sweep which is where a SLA wud be easy but someone like axar wont be 

 

In indian condition ball will turn , if u can keep it a good length consistently and bowl at good pace its trouble for batsman take examples like monty panesar n jaddu 

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8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

that also can raise another point that despite playing for long he never was preffered at top coz he may have lacked something. 

Ppl are undermining axar bowling coz its not classical and coz he has extra skills, but same was done in case of jaddu when nadeem was also around . Also in a country of billion only 11 can plays so u cant be fair to everyone, at the end its what better for the team. England relies heavily on sweep which is where a SLA wud be easy but someone like axar wont be 

 

In indian condition ball will turn , if u can keep it a good length consistently and bowl at good pace its trouble for batsman take examples like monty panesar n jaddu 

Tbf to nadeem he had to get in ahead of ashwin, jadeja and mishra. It is like saying that herath was lacking something when he was not picked in the sl team. 

 

Jadeja got a chance after our old spin quartet failed against england in 2012 and he was performing well in domestic. He scored a 300 and had an impressive game against tripura if I remember correctly so it was not some pick out of the blue. I'm not against left field selections and picks for the record. I believe one or 2 of those helped us win the australia series. 

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Just now, rollingstoned said:

Tbf to nadeem he had to get in ahead of ashwin, jadeja and mishra. It is like saying that herath was lacking something when he was not picked in the sl team. 

 

Jaddu bowling wasnt rated very highly for test and mishra career went nowere coz he lacked something, there was ojha who had chucking issue. So apart from ashwin one spot was avl , jaddu had something that worked and Axar is perfect like for like 

 

Just now, rollingstoned said:

 

Jadeja got a chance after our old spin quartet failed against england in 2012 and he was performing well in domestic. He scored a 300 and had an impressive game against tripura if I remember correctly so it was not some pick out of the blue. I'm not against left field selections and picks for the record. I believe one or 2 of those helped us win the australia series. 

 

yea but MS also understood watching monty and swann bowling at a speed that on indian pitches where turns is avl if u bowl at good speed its very very tough. Axar is same case 

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea but MS also understood watching monty and swann bowling at a speed that on indian pitches where turns is avl if u bowl at good speed its very very tough. Axar is same case 

Which went against conventional wisdom that quicker you bowl through the air the less spin and purchase you will get out of the wicket. People made the mistake of pigeonholing jadeja as a darter for a long time. However not every bowler who bowls like that will be successful. 

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10 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Which went against conventional wisdom that quicker you bowl through the air the less spin and purchase you will get out of the wicket. People made the mistake of pigeonholing jadeja as a darter for a long time. However not every bowler who bowls like that will be successful. 

 

On indian pitches if you can be consistent with the length and bowl at good pace, have the ability to take ball both ways its enough...Axar fits all 

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