Axar patel wud be the key against England

[prudent_kreeda]

May be 3 factors must have weighed in while going in for tall , accurate & quicker spinners looking at the style of play of Eng batsmen.

1. Sweep & Reverse Sweep - Root alone has played more than 130 sweeps in SL and score > 130 . If he does this in India fate of the series will be changed .

2. Coming down and lofting - they have destroyed our slower spinners when ball is flighted .

3. Batting ability of these players  who are some what nearer to Jaddu than pure spinners .

 

Is the thinking  that  to counter the above , have spinners who may get more bounce and chance of ball going in the air is more while sweeping or they can bowl more yorker length balls  coming down from 9+ feet release which is a wicket taking ball  while sweeping.Also make coming down against them  difficult ???

 

There seems to be some thinking around these lines behind the selection .

Edited January 24, 2021 by prudent_kreeda

[Vickydev]

Axar is fine. He is a quality cricketer and as a second spinner will be more than useful.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Cricket_Fan said:

How many times have an overseas pacer been successful in India? I am pretty sure its so rare that we can count on our fingers. Pace without skill to reverse the SG ball is just gonna be cannon fodder on Indian pitches. You can see how Nortje fared in the last SA series who bowls at higher average pace than Archer. And what I have seen of Archer, he gets tired even in England and don’t see him maintaining his intensity in hot Indian conditions.

I have seen the likes of Zaheer Khan smoking Mitchell Johnson in tests in India. Both Axar and Ashwin are good to bat at No 7 in India.

 

 

Our batting is very susceptible to sudden collapses these days, irrespective of the bowling attack or pitch type. Need a good enough No.7 for this purpose.

 

Another point, although not applicable to the Chennai test, is that we are getting a lot of sporting pitches in India in the last 4 years.

 

 

[dilliboy]

Rahane, Pant, Axar, Ashwin and Ishant.. Half the team is likely to be made up of Delhi Capitals 

[Cricket_Fan]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Our batting is very susceptible to sudden collapses these days, irrespective of the bowling attack or pitch type. Need a good enough No.7 for this purpose.

 

Another point, although not applicable to the Chennai test, is that we are getting a lot of sporting pitches in India in the last 4 years.

 

 

When was such a collapse happened in India last time due to a pacer? The ‘sporting’ pitches in India are not the same as in SENA. If it were, Saha wouldn’t have scored two centuries and two fifties in India which also happened in last 4 years.

[DeepSpace]

India should just field its B team again to see if they can punk England!

Edited January 25, 2021 by DeepSpace

[Nikola]

Embuldeniya v Crawley series head-to-head:

39 balls
12 runs
4 wickets
3.00 average

[ash]

Embuldebiya is a very AVG bowler. Does not even pitch 2 balls in the same place consistently. Even Krunal would be better than him. And if England are struggling against him, then good luck against Ash

[R!TTER]

9 hours ago, Cricket_Fan said:

When was such a collapse happened in India last time due to a pacer

SL 2017 & Hazelwood as Bangalore the same year. Not exactly due to "pace" but in each case the kind of pitch with the type of bowling they had ensured we'd be in a hole.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, ash said:

Embuldebiya is a very AVG bowler. Does not even pitch 2 balls in the same place consistently. Even Krunal would be better than him. And if England are struggling against him, then good luck against Ash

 

on a turning a pitch even someone like krunal at his pace becomes very dangerous 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

SL 2017 & Hazelwood as Bangalore the same year. Not exactly due to "pace" but in each case the kind of pitch with the type of bowling they had ensured we'd be in a hole.

Lakmal in that first test vs SL in 2017..  Gee we gave them green top & they blown us away in 1st inns..  That Shami vs Dickwella duel was funny in that game..

Edited January 25, 2021 by Lone Wolf

[rollingstoned]

21 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

obv na one has played 39 games vs 117 games, no one can take 400 wkts in 39 games

That wasn't his point. He is not saying that he should take 400 wickets in a much smaller sample size, just that the sample size difference must be accounted for when you do a like for like comparison and due consideration should be paid to someone who has been performing for a longer period of time in domestic cricket. I have nothing against axar though it seems like he will get picked for being able to bat a bit.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, rollingstoned said:

That wasn't his point. He is not saying that he should take 400 wickets in a much smaller sample size, just that the sample size difference must be accounted for when you do a like for like comparison and due consideration should be paid to someone who has been performing for a longer period of time in domestic cricket. I have nothing against axar though it seems like he will get picked for being able to bat a bit.  

 

that also can raise another point that despite playing for long he never was preffered at top coz he may have lacked something. 

Ppl are undermining axar bowling coz its not classical and coz he has extra skills, but same was done in case of jaddu when nadeem was also around . Also in a country of billion only 11 can plays so u cant be fair to everyone, at the end its what better for the team. England relies heavily on sweep which is where a SLA wud be easy but someone like axar wont be 

 

In indian condition ball will turn , if u can keep it a good length consistently and bowl at good pace its trouble for batsman take examples like monty panesar n jaddu 

[rollingstoned]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

that also can raise another point that despite playing for long he never was preffered at top coz he may have lacked something. 

Ppl are undermining axar bowling coz its not classical and coz he has extra skills, but same was done in case of jaddu when nadeem was also around . Also in a country of billion only 11 can plays so u cant be fair to everyone, at the end its what better for the team. England relies heavily on sweep which is where a SLA wud be easy but someone like axar wont be 

 

In indian condition ball will turn , if u can keep it a good length consistently and bowl at good pace its trouble for batsman take examples like monty panesar n jaddu 

Tbf to nadeem he had to get in ahead of ashwin, jadeja and mishra. It is like saying that herath was lacking something when he was not picked in the sl team. 

 

Jadeja got a chance after our old spin quartet failed against england in 2012 and he was performing well in domestic. He scored a 300 and had an impressive game against tripura if I remember correctly so it was not some pick out of the blue. I'm not against left field selections and picks for the record. I believe one or 2 of those helped us win the australia series. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, rollingstoned said:

Tbf to nadeem he had to get in ahead of ashwin, jadeja and mishra. It is like saying that herath was lacking something when he was not picked in the sl team. 

 

Jaddu bowling wasnt rated very highly for test and mishra career went nowere coz he lacked something, there was ojha who had chucking issue. So apart from ashwin one spot was avl , jaddu had something that worked and Axar is perfect like for like 

 

Just now, rollingstoned said:

 

Jadeja got a chance after our old spin quartet failed against england in 2012 and he was performing well in domestic. He scored a 300 and had an impressive game against tripura if I remember correctly so it was not some pick out of the blue. I'm not against left field selections and picks for the record. I believe one or 2 of those helped us win the australia series. 

 

yea but MS also understood watching monty and swann bowling at a speed that on indian pitches where turns is avl if u bowl at good speed its very very tough. Axar is same case 

[rollingstoned]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea but MS also understood watching monty and swann bowling at a speed that on indian pitches where turns is avl if u bowl at good speed its very very tough. Axar is same case 

Which went against conventional wisdom that quicker you bowl through the air the less spin and purchase you will get out of the wicket. People made the mistake of pigeonholing jadeja as a darter for a long time. However not every bowler who bowls like that will be successful. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Which went against conventional wisdom that quicker you bowl through the air the less spin and purchase you will get out of the wicket. People made the mistake of pigeonholing jadeja as a darter for a long time. However not every bowler who bowls like that will be successful. 

 

On indian pitches if you can be consistent with the length and bowl at good pace, have the ability to take ball both ways its enough...Axar fits all 

[Straight Drive]

Any spinner can be dangerous for England batsmen. Indian team doesn't needs a Chandra, Bedi or Prasanna to bamboozle English batsmen. Even average spin bowler like Axar Patel may take a five fer is he bowls to them. Vihari also has a chance to pick couple of wickets.

[express bowling]

Looks like Embuldeniya has kick-started Axar's test career.

[Ankit_sharma03]