Silverwood, Root to discuss on making official representation over Ahmedabad pitch

[Real McCoy]

Source: https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/116397/silverwood-root-to-discuss-on-making-official-representation-over-ahmedabad-pitch

 

Head coach Chris Silverwood says he will sit down with Joe Root to discuss whether England should make any official representations about the standard of the third Test pitch in Ahmedabad.

The game concluded early in the final session of the second day, the shortest Test match since 1935, as both England and India struggled with a surface that spun appreciably. India lost seven wickets for 46 on the second day - with Joe Root taking 5 for 8 - while England were then hustled out for just 81 in their second innings. In all, 17 wickets fell in the first two sessions of day two.

Although both Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma both said the pitch was good for batting at the conclusion of the game, others, including Yuvraj Singh and Sir Alastair Cook, criticised the surface. "We saw a stat that says this pitch has spun more than any other pitch in India," Cook said on Channel 4's commentary. "We've got Virat Kohli, Joe Root - some great players of spin... also struggling. Today trying to play properly? It was nigh-on impossible."

Silverwood would not be drawn on whether England would make an official complaint to the ICC about the state of the pitch but he did say that he would be talking to Joe Root to decide if any further action should be taken. "We will be talking about certain things behind the scenes," Silverwood said.

"We are disappointed that we are sat here when there should be three days of cricket left. I am sure a few spectators are as well. At the same time, whatever the pitch did or didn't do, India ultimately played better than us on that surface. But it probably pushed us to the extremes of what most of our players, if any, have experienced.

"Joe and I have to have a sit down, have a conversation and see where we go with it. We do have to get better on these pitches and we do have to accept there's places where we could have improved, look at the first innings we had an opportunity there to score more runs."

When pressed on whether he thought touring teams had to accept any conditions they were faced with and England simply had to move on, Silverwood said: "I'm not saying we've just got to accept things, I'm just saying at this moment in time I've not got anything to add. Not in a position to say what we should or shouldn't do, it's a conversation between myself and Joe at the moment."

England's head coach was also keen to point out that as much as his batsmen struggled so too did India's, and theirs against the part-time off-spin of Root. "Let's not forget they lost eight wickets for 47 runs," Silverwood said. "A little bit of perspective here, it's not just our batters that struggled. On surfaces where one spins and one doesn't, it's quite difficult for them to play. It's proved the amount of LBWs and bowleds that both sides have had, it's not been easy at all. I can imagine both teams are talking about the same sort of thing.

"But we've got to give their spinners some credit here. [Ravichandran] Ashwin's a world-class spinner. So firstly we're against a class act there. And secondly I thought [Axar] Patel was very accurate. And when some balls turn and some balls don't, it's difficult. But equally we've got to find a way because if we see it again, we've got to be able to combat that."

England do not yet know which pitch will be used for the fourth Test at the Nahendra Modi Stadium which begins next Thursday (March 4) but Silverwood said he hoped it would be a better surface. Whether that is likely or not is open to debate. India need to avoid defeat to secure their place in the final of the World Test Championship and could opt for a similarly spin friendly surface to give them the best chance.

If the pitch is similar to those for the second and third Tests, Silverwood hopes his players have learnt some lessons from their experiences. "You look at the guys we've got in there, your Popes, Crawleys, Sibleys, all these guys coming through this experience, as tough as it is at the moment, will hopefully galvanise them," he said. "When they do get on flat surfaces, better surfaces, will make them even more hungry and desperate to make sure they get the runs on those surfaces.

"Hopefully they do take a lot from it, and next time they come onto a surface or experience a situation like this, it won't be as much of a shock to them. Hopefully they will have had a think about how they use their skills to combat what's in front of them. As tough as it is and as painful as it is at this moment, hopefully we can take some good lessons."

Silverwood also explained England's decision to select just one spinner in their side for the third Test and said that Dom Bess would come back into contention for the final game of the series. "Joe Root has got five for eight. So actually the second spinner did alright for us," Sivlerwood said. "But we did expect the wicket to hold up longer than it did to be honest, having looked at it. And equally, throughout training, using the pink ball and looking back in history on pink ball Tests, the ball swung for us.

"Jimmy and co all got movement with the ball during practise. So we genuinely felt we had the right side out there with the experience that we had and having two of our bowlers in the top ten in the world in the rankings. We felt that, with this pink ball, it would have been an opportunity for those two to make a big impact on the game for us. Hence the selection we went for.

"He's [Bess] in contention. He was left out of this one because of potential movement we could have got out of the pink ball. We've got two bowlers in the top 10 and if they can move the ball around, they\re a handful. All the evidence was that it moved in training, in the middle and the nets. From Bessy's point of view I wouldn't read too much into that. He's played an important part in helping us win games in the past and I'm sure he will do again in the future."

 

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Look at the bold parts. So he expected the wicket to hold up longer than it did. honestly, the wicket is still there. It didnt crumble. We haven't seen any explosions like we did in the second test which went for 4 days. He is equating difficult conditions for batting to the pitch when he should be looking further into the pink ball.

He is giving some credit to the spinners ok. whatever helps him sleep at night

And what stat did Cook look at that the spin was more in this wicket when most dismissals were lbw or bowled. There definitely was zip and skid on the balls but spin didnt look extra ordinary. And he played in a bunsen in Mumbai which he won. So why this butt hurt over turn. Panesar and Swan were all over our batsmen with quick turn and bite

Poms gonna whinge and complain.

[sandeep]

what'd you expect from the England captain and coach? To man up and confess that they committed a completely obvious selection blunder on a dry turner? When they have an easy available excuse to deflect the blame? 

 

Classic England.

[Sandeep99]

Not surprised. Sun rises in the easy, kaali dal gets married again, poms whine. Some things don't change.

[G_B_]

They don't need to do anything

 

Board will want more tickets

[IndianRenegade]

3 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Look at the bold parts. So he expected the wicket to hold up longer than it did. honestly, the wicket is still there. It didnt crumble. We haven't seen any explosions like we did in the second test which went for 4 days. He is equating difficult conditions for batting to the pitch when he should be looking further into the pink ball.

He is giving some credit to the spinners ok. whatever helps him sleep at night

And what stat did Cook look at that the spin was more in this wicket when most dismissals were lbw or bowled. There definitely was zip and skid on the balls but spin didnt look extra ordinary. And he played in a bunsen in Mumbai which he won. So why this butt hurt over turn. Panesar and Swan were all over our batsmen with quick turn and bite

Poms gonna whinge and complain.

So if India ever encounters a pitch where swing & bounce is more than previous games in that country we can claim the pitch is a bad pitch? 

[TheWall]

Whining swiines....

[Jay]

7 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

So if India ever encounters a pitch where swing & bounce is more than previous games in that country we can claim the pitch is a bad pitch? 

we never whine. thats the difference. we should lambast them. 

[express bowling]

The difference in attitude, between this Indian cricket team and the English cricket fraternity, is so blatant.

 

Team India never complain about the playing conditions they get while touring ... never complain about missing personnel in key series or lost tosses. And we have started winning against extreme adversity.

 

While the Poms are trying to find excuses for their losses and even upcoming losses.

 

Let's assume for argument's sake that the pitch was bad. Tosses are very crucial on such pitches. Team India lost the toss but still found a way to win the test by 10 wickets.

 

Both teams have to play on the same pitch. So, the argument that bad pitches are being prepared deliberately has no logic because no team can play well on bad pitches and we will suffer too.

 

Team England need to man up and try to overcome the difficulties. But they will keep on whining and try to find excuses for their losses. While their biggest problem lies in their inability to play spin and their lack of good spin bowlers.

 

 

P.S -- Just imagine the excuses the Poms would have come up with if they had Root, Anderson, Broad, Stokes etc.missing on a tour to Australia. 1000 page thesis would have been prepared justifying the imminent loss even before the series was over.

Edited February 27, 2021 by express bowling

[Jay]

13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

The difference in attitude, between this Indian cricket team and the English cricket fraternity, is so blatant.

 

Team India never complain about the playing conditions they get while touring ... never complain about missing personnel in key series or lost tosses. And we have started winning against extreme adversity.

 

While the Poms are trying to find excuses for their losses and even upcoming losses.

 

Let's assume for argument's sake that the pitch was bad. Tosses are very crucial on such pitches. Team India lost the toss but still found a way to win the test by 10 wickets.

 

Both teams have to play on the same pitch. So, the argument that bad pitches are being prepared deliberately has no logic because no team can play well on bad pitches and we will suffer too.

 

Team England need to man up and try to overcome the difficulties. But they will keep on whining and try to find excuses for their losses. While their biggest problem lies in their inability to play spin and their lack of good spin bowlers.

 

 

P.S -- Just imagine the excuses the Poms would have come up with if they had Root, Anderson, Broad, Stokes etc.missing on a tour to Australia. 1000 page thesis would have been prepared justifying the imminent loss even before the series was over.

Bro even with buttler and say Moeen ali, it makes no difference. 

 

 

We are missing you know who already. 

 

Even when we lost in 2018. I believe Bhuvi was injured for the whole series. Our best swing bowler at the time btw. 

 

Bumrah missed first 2 matches. We had makeshift opening pair. 

 

No jaddu and Ashwin bowling together. 

 

They got lucky. If this team gets sleections right I see no reason why we can't win in England too. Australia is way better than England. 

 

Also had we won 4 tosses I guarantee we are winning at least 3 of those in England. 

[Gollum]

Aur ro lo, ghanta faraq nahi padta 

 

This test you got this treatment

 

Next test you will get this treatment

 

Isse zyaada nahi add karunga since NSFW, sudhar jao dear firangis

[jf1gp_1]

I am willing to bet all those calling english whiners, in just 3-4 months from now will be creating thread after thread on english pitches. 

[Bigg Brother]

Only if our Maharathis had scored some in first innings, it would have shut down all this whining about pitch, Now Michael Vaughan whose only achievement is winning ashes in 2005 had come out with an essay labelling it as Shallow win. The series in August will be mouth watering amidst all the talk about pitch.

Edited February 27, 2021 by Bigg Brother

[SK_IH]

Let's see if there is any official representation made. This statement might very well be frustration of getting blown away in 5 sessions.

[ShoonyaSifar]

11 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

So if India ever encounters a pitch where swing & bounce is more than previous games in that country we can claim the pitch is a bad pitch? 

If the pitches start to have exaggerated movement and start bouncing from the good length spots regularly upto batsmen's throat in the very first session of a test, then it is a bad pitch. Pitches have been called dangerous leading to suspension of tests under similar circumstances. 

 

Likewise, nothing justifies balls exploding off surfaces  in the first few overs of the match at Chennai and Motera. Is that the only way to prepare turners?

[Real McCoy]

6 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

If the pitches start to have exaggerated movement and start bouncing from the good length spots regularly upto batsmen's throat in the very first session of a test, then it is a bad pitch. Pitches have been called dangerous leading to suspension of tests under similar circumstances. 

 

Likewise, nothing justifies balls exploding off surfaces  in the first few overs of the match at Chennai and Motera. Is that the only way to prepare turners?

The Chennai pitch lasted for 4 days and so would this one if not for the pink ball and its extra lacquer. A spinning pitch is never dangerous physically like an up and down pitch for a fast bowler.

[chewy]

This is cop out from England.

100 of years and still can't play spin. 

Couldnt play bouncers from Windies and still csnt play spin.

 

As Sunny said, you need courage to play bouncers and skills to play spin. 

 

 

Only ones who should complain is broadcasters and fan, no cricket over weekend

[ShoonyaSifar]

11 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

The Chennai pitch lasted for 4 days and so would this one if not for the pink ball and its extra lacquer. A spinning pitch is never dangerous physically like an up and down pitch for a fast bowler.

Such raging turners may not be physically dangerous but are unfit to play test cricket. Any surface which starts to come off in the first session of the test is a poorly prepared substandard pitch not fit for test cricket irrespective of no. of days a test lasts on it.

 

Now that most Tests are being played as World Test Championship, it's better for ICC to look after the pitch preparations. No host nations should be allowed to blatantly doctor pitches. Take that power away from the TMs who make the poor curators look like fools

[Real McCoy]

8 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Such raging turners may not be physically dangerous but are unfit to play test cricket. Any surface which starts to come off in the first session of the test is a poorly prepared substandard pitch not fit for test cricket irrespective of no. of days a test lasts on it.

 

Now that most Tests are being played as World Test Championship, it's better for ICC to look after the pitch preparations. No host nations should be allowed to blatantly doctor pitches. Take that power away from the TMs who make the poor curators look like fools

If in the unlikely case that ICC would make pitches can they also prepare pitches in England, Australia, SA and NZ with more spin friendly pitches then usual as that would give something for the spinner too. Also why are teams playing 3 pacers and 1 spinner. Should be 2 and 2 everywhere no? That would be more equitable no?

Did you criticize when Lords, NZ tour and MCG rolled out grassy pitches where spin struggled. Also stop calling it a raging turner. That second pitch 1st innings score was 320. For those who grumble about batting friendly decks, that;s an improvement, no? no?no?