Problem of Riches: Is it a good or bad ?

[deepdynamo]

Indian cricket is going through its golden period. The bench strength is amazing and we have 2 options for almost every position and type.

 

The only problem, is that by virtue of having too much, many of these player will not able to fulfill their true potential because of lack of chances.

 

Current talent in Indian cricket and the No. is freaking 37 cricketers of International class!!!

Opening batsman:
Rohit

Dhawan

Shaw

Mayank

Gill

Paddikal ( destined to play for India)

Middle order :

Virat

Pujara

Rahane

Vihari
Surya

Iyer

Rahul

 

Wicket Keeper:
Pant

Kishan
Samson

Saha

 

Spinner:
Jadeja  ( All rounder)

Axar

Krunal  ( All rounder)

Washington ( All rounder)

Ashwin
Kuldeep

Y Chahal

R Chahar

 

Fast Bowler:
Bumrah
Shami

Bhuvi

Ishant

Yadav
Siraj

Prasdh
Saini

Thakur ( All rounder)

Hardik ( All rounder)

D Chahar

Natrajan

 

We must win atleast 3 of 5 upcoming ICC trophies to justify the insane amount of talent we have currently.

[express bowling]

There are Tewatia and Chakravarty too.

 

Among fast bowlers, Avesh and Tyagi are not too far away from national selection either.

Edited March 24, 2021 by express bowling

[Lone Wolf]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

There Tewatia and Chakravarty too.

 

Among fast bowlers, Avesh and Tyagi are not too far away from national selection either.

Hopefully they get the chances on Lanka Tour.  Tyagi Prasidh blowing away lankans would be a fun sight.  With Russell Arnold on Commentary

[Vickydev]

Its ofcourse a good problem. The team is being pushed.

 

Just in this last month Bhuvi had to step up seeing Thakur/Natarajan rise, Iyer had to pick up his game seeing Kishan, Rishabh and Sky potentially coming for his spot.

Dhawan/Rahul/Chahal were dumped when they couldnt do so. Its upto the captain and coach now to best exploit this and give the new guys the experience to do it come the KOs.

 

However, we could do with a couple of more seamer ARs to come in the next couple of years. Thats the only area we are sort of light right now.

[Clarke]

Somewhere between spinner & fast bowler lies a category where Unadkat fits right in. 

[Majestic]

To analyse whether it is a good problem to have or bad depends on how you rate all these 37 cricketers.

 

Going into World Cup 2019, we were struggling for a good pick at no.4 and 6. We had plenty of options at that time too but some were not justifying the roles and some were mediocre.

 

Going forward, this is something which can be subjective but depends on several factors and we need to consider them all. It is only important to see that do we have enough players filling for all the roles with respect to the formats and if there are gaps, what needs to be done to cover those aspects as well.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Majestic

[deepdynamo]

On 3/24/2021 at 1:45 AM, express bowling said:

There Tewatia and Chakravarty too.

 

Among fast bowlers, Avesh and Tyagi are not too far away from national selection either.

Tewetia, Chakravorty, Avesh, Tyagi and even Ishan porel haven't been added because they haven't played for India in recent past ( added paddikal because he seems destined )

[MechEng]

It's neither good nor bad, but it's great!

 

Ab ghar mein ghus ke marenge when we tour overseas, aur ghar mein bula kar marenge during home games!

[putrevus]

How many of these talents are worldclass and have the technique to travel everywhere. Indian team were very good even in 1990s at home.

 

 

[Majestic]

Best XI for all three formats IMO:-

 

Tests:-

 

Rohit

Gill

Pujara

Kohli

Rahul

Pant(wkt)

Jadeja

Ashwin

Ishant

Shami/Siraj

Bumrah

 

ODIs:-

 

Rohit

Dhawan ( or Gill/Shaw)

Kohli

Pant

KL

Jadeja

Pandya

Shardul

Shami/Bhuvi

Spinner( not clear)

Bumrah

 

T20s:-

 

Rohit

Rahul

SKY

Kohli

Pant

Pandya

Jadeja

Shardul

Bhuvi

Spinner( not clear)

Bumrah

 

Shardul is still debatable but at no.8, you want a decent hitter.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2021 by Majestic

[deepdynamo]

 

On 3/24/2021 at 2:28 AM, Majestic said:

To analyse whether it is a good problem to have or bad depends on how you rate all these 37 cricketers.

 

Going into World Cup 2019, we were struggling for a good pick at no.4 and 6. We had plenty of options at that time too but some were not justifying the roles and some were mediocre.

 

Going forward, this is something which can be subjective but depends on several factors and we need to consider them all. It is only important to see that do we have enough players filling for all the roles with respect to the formats and if there are gaps, what needs to be done to cover those aspects as well.

 

Great point. Having multiple options is one thing and utilizing them properly is other.

 

Hope TM identify players and give them proper run in their respective roles.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2021 by deepdynamo

[deepdynamo]

On 3/24/2021 at 2:36 AM, putrevus said:

How many of these talents are worldclass and have the technique to travel everywhere. Indian team were very good even in 1990s at home.

 

 

 

In the 90's and first part of the 2000 decade, there were practically no bench strength.

We were reliant on Srinath, Prasad and Agarkar for practically 10 years. After those we had Zaheer and Ishant. We were never expected to win overseas and 1 test win is celebrated like big achievement.

 

In spinners, we didn't produce anyone beyond Kumble and Harbajhan for almost 15 years.

 

Wicketkeepers, the cupboard was bare for almost 15 years before MSD came and changed the dimension. 

 

The batting was always first rate though in all era but we never had proper backups.

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

In the 90's and first part of the 2000 decade, there were practically no bench strength.

We were reliant on Srinath, Prasad and Agarkar for practically 10 years. After those we had Zaheer and Ishant. We were never expected to win overseas and 1 test win is celebrated like big achievement.

 

In spinners, we didn't produce anyone beyond Kumble and Harbajhan for almost 15 years.

 

Wicketkeepers, the cupboard was bare for almost 15 years before MSD came and changed the dimension. 

 

The batting was always first rate though in all era but we never had proper backups.

I don't think that was the case, we had Raju, Rajesh as spinners. Were they as good as Kumble or Bhajji no but they were fine bowler in their own right. Fast bowlers were never guided properly in 1990s.

 

Even now overseas wins are an achievement.

 

Guy like Kambli would walkinto this team and be one of the best batsman in test team.He sure is better than Rahane.

 

Sehwag and Dhoni were game changers, we now have Pant who might be an upgrade over Dhoni. Do we have a guy like Sehwag.

[deepdynamo]

On 3/24/2021 at 3:10 AM, putrevus said:

I don't think that was the case, we had Raju, Rajesh as spinners. Were they as good as Kumble or Bhajji no but they were fine bowler in their own right. Fast bowlers were never guided properly in 1990s.

 

Even now overseas wins are an achievement.

 

Guy like Kambli would walkinto this team and be one of the best batsman in test team.He sure is better than Rahane.

 

Sehwag and Dhoni were game changers, we now have Pant who might be an upgrade over Dhoni. Do we have a guy like Sehwag.

 

I am not comparing the first X1 of different era, just the bench strength.

 

Kambli, Raju were first choice player of the 90's team. We tried many players in the 90's and most of them were bang average and not international class.

 

Did somebody remember players like Asish Kapoor, Sunil Joshi, Paras Mahambrey, Vikram Rathore, David Johnson, Dodda Ganesh, Abhey Kuruvilla, Nilesh Kulkarni,  Harvinder Singh, D Gandhi, MSK Prasad, Kanitkar, Nikhil Chopra, SS DAS, Sarandeep Singh, Rahul Sanghvi, Bahutule, Dighe, Hemang Badani, Iqbal Siddiquie, Tinu Yohanan.

GUESS WHAT - All of these players are test players we have given chance in the 90's as our bench strength. Are you proud of the bench strength of that era??

[Jay]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't think that was the case, we had Raju, Rajesh as spinners. Were they as good as Kumble or Bhajji no but they were fine bowler in their own right. Fast bowlers were never guided properly in 1990s.

 

Even now overseas wins are an achievement.

 

Guy like Kambli would walkinto this team and be one of the best batsman in test team.He sure is better than Rahane.

 

Sehwag and Dhoni were game changers, we now have Pant who might be an upgrade over Dhoni. Do we have a guy like Sehwag.

 

3 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

 

In the 90's and first part of the 2000 decade, there were practically no bench strength.

We were reliant on Srinath, Prasad and Agarkar for practically 10 years. After those we had Zaheer and Ishant. We were never expected to win overseas and 1 test win is celebrated like big achievement.

 

In spinners, we didn't produce anyone beyond Kumble and Harbajhan for almost 15 years.

 

Wicketkeepers, the cupboard was bare for almost 15 years before MSD came and changed the dimension. 

 

The batting was always first rate though in all era but we never had proper backups.

it will be hard to replace jadeja and ashwin for sure but oh wait? we already have axar, washy etc. backups are good. 

 

india is the best team in all formats provided the right team is picked. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Always good to have youngsters pushing for places in the national side provided we have a management team eager to groom them and move our cricket forward.

 

None of these youngsters, who have put in match winning performances were unknown, but the TM either felt they were not good enough or didn't think of giving proper chances to them till it was forced to in Australia. Public pressure since then has forced them to back these newbies. But even then, they keep messing up - Saha at Adelaide, Ishant in all 4 Eng tests, Dhawan in T20Is, Kishen at 1, 3 and dropped and all three seniors playing together yesterday. Those decisions show they will go back to backing a senior at the first available opportunity. Till that mindset changes, the abundance of talent will be wasted.

[bowl_out]

With so much talent available, I'm wondering if it makes sense to create format-wise specialists.

That way, players get adequate breaks and also focus on skills that might more suited for specific formats..

 

Currently, we have couple of batsmen and bowlers who are classified as "Test specialists" (read Rahane, Pujara, Ashwin)

 

Maybe we should have more players playing only 1-2 formats

[Moochad]

Can only be a good thing. Injuries will be less impactful for us going forward.

 

Some of the player though will not get the long careers at the international level that they wanted

[prudent_kreeda]

The big issue would be lack of playing  real games for all these 30 odd players . When you do not play for a longish period you lose touch and require time to come back to form as we have seen in KL case now . 

 

I think India should think of having below parallel tours in addition to Indian national team playing elsewhere   -

1. Short format games with tier 2 countries (SL, ZIM, BD, WI)  with India A  team .

2. Have India A with SA, AUS, NZ ,ENG WI  A teams  4 day games 

3. Play India Emerging team playing vs  Other countries emerging teams .

 

Right now these may not fructify due to Covid , but unless something is not worked out to get more games to maximum no. of players , this could lead to waste of talent  with not getting a decent run.