rkt.india Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 59 minutes ago, Stan AF said: By the time Sputnik and serum institute and Bharat biotech make vaccines available to every indian citizen it'd be too *ing late. Already there are dead bodies piling up in every state and what do the sanghis expect other state CM's to do?. And how are CMs going to get vaccines? You think vaccines are being sold in the malls? If the biggest vaccines manufacturers of the world can't give you vaccines. No one can. There is option other than to wait and Keep extending lockdown. Which vaccine you expect Stalin will get?
coffee_rules Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 Bollywood activism monetizing the crisis? Bad optics here.
Vilander Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 7 hours ago, R!TTER said: The people in the country deserve 1000% of what they're getting, I only empathize with the poor who have little means for testing much less actual medication or drugs! * the rich & their wannabe imitators or float down the ganga dead.. man what kind of country is India if poor cant afford a proper funeral and have to float their dead in the river. I know its a social evil from antient times when there were far fewer humans, but the govt should have basic healthcare and sanitation services available.
rkt.india Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, mishra said: Only GoI can bear the politics and Chutiyaap of State Government on vaccines. I am certain that all Indians and Indian politicians doing politics are in for a surprise, at response to International tender by foreign manufacturers in response to cost, delivery date and number of doses. But I will be happy even if Indian states manage to procure just say 100-200 million doses in nxt 6 month But which foreign manufacturers are we talking about here? Because Sputnik will be manufactured in India by Dr. Reddy. Janssen by bio E. Now you then pfizer, moderna which are too expensive and unviable for India. Then you have Astra Zeneca which don't have enough themselves.
coffee_rules Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 6000 for all jobless and repeal farm laws, opposition’s priorities during Covid
ravishingravi Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: It is a far right wing propaganda news outlets with no credibility. I seriously don't pay attention to their "opinions". I believe you care for facts like msnbc or cnn. So give use some.
rkt.india Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: 6000 for all jobless and repeal farm laws, opposition’s priorities during Covid They can at least postpone central vista project but priorities of this govt are just not right. Vivek92 1
coffee_rules Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, rkt.india said: They can at least postpone central vista project but priorities of this govt are just not right. Money was already allocated in the budget for CV, plus other considerations like 35000 cr for vacci production is also made in parallel. Not a fan of CV, GoI can place it on hold and divert some attention. I think they are doing to only to keep labor paid so they have jobs with MNREGA etc.
vvvslaxman Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: I believe you care for facts like msnbc or cnn. So give use some. What makes you think swarajyamarg and all these no name sources are better than any of them.
coffee_rules Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 Why do photo shoot for a crisis causing deaths? Laaloo and Jimmy Cliff 2
dial_100 Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) On 5/11/2021 at 12:29 PM, BacktoCricaddict said: People who have natural immunity will survive the virus, keeping its replication under control. Others will die. Eventually, most survivors would have developed immunity and if infected, they will fight it off quickly. They may spread it to others, but those others are also likely to be immune, can keep its replication down in their bodies, and have only mild symptoms. The virus then "settles" or "stabilizes" or "becomes endemic" in our population like the cold virus. For those who don't care about the high death rate at the front end, this is an awesome strategy. They will invoke Darwin and survival of fittest etc., until it hits them or their loved ones. Right I understand that. But that will be at much later stage when herd immunity is achieved. For that to happen, first majority of population has to get infected by the virus. My question is, wont it cause lot more replications and in turn give rise to more variants? So herd immunity is quite risky because variant would cause more damage if they were so prevalent and are formed so easily. Edited May 13, 2021 by dial_100
G_B_ Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, rkt.india said: They can at least postpone central vista project but priorities of this govt are just not right. why? the central vista project employs people. Next you will also blame the government if unemployment is high. We should be encouraging any sort of contraction oriented projects which employs the masses. coffee_rules 1
kepler37b Posted May 12, 2021 Author Posted May 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: 6000 for all jobless and repeal farm laws, opposition’s priorities during Covid 1,2,3,4,6,8=> Reasonable. 5,9 => Strawman arguments. 7 => Outright stupid and impractical. coffee_rules 1
mishra Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, rkt.india said: They can at least postpone central vista project but priorities of this govt are just not right. What do a infra build project has to do with fighting Covid. In UK, Govmnt did not stop any infra or build related work even if you wanted to be done privately for any day. In simple terms, Lockdown is best time to finish outdoor work. coffee_rules and ravishingravi 2
G_B_ Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 I suspect given the cases are on the decline CG will wait for a month or so and just ride things out. cc DataGuy Redux on twitter. Deaths will lag cases by around 2 weeks. We are around 4000 deaths officially. Unofficially I think around 15 to 16k people are passing away as a direct or indirect result of this wave. Official deaths will rise to around 5000 before dipping drastically. So it does meet my end of June timeline that India will be out of the woods for the second wave. The aim should be to fully vaccinate those above 45 by the end of August before a third wave hits. Vivek92, ravishingravi and coffee_rules 1 2
Stan AF Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 47 minutes ago, rkt.india said: And how are CMs going to get vaccines? You think vaccines are being sold in the malls? If the biggest vaccines manufacturers of the world can't give you vaccines. No one can. There is option other than to wait and Keep extending lockdown. Which vaccine you expect Stalin will get? Stop your melodrama man. There are atleast 10 states (even BJP ruled ones) are going to place orders for vaccines. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ten-states-gear-up-to-import-vaccines-bottlenecks-remain-101620757827529.html The centre has already informed supreme court that there are talks with Pfizer, moderna and JJ for vaccine imports. https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/centre-to-sc-in-active-talks-with-pfizer-moderna-jj-to-facilitate-vaccine-imports/755441 Indian citizens can't wait forever for union government to give vaccines and state governments will try and do whatever it is in their power to get vaccines. Vaccinating everyone and quickly doing so is the only way forward. P.S: State governments are trying to do the right thing for their people by getting vaccines. If you guys don't like it, stay out of it. The better question is why were the states forced to do this?. States wouldn't have been pushed to this extreme measure if not for some brain dead planning by the central government. People questioning this are not a part of the solution but a part of the problem. I have nothing more to say on this. Mariyam, Vivek92 and Bigg Brother 1 2
vvvslaxman Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, G_B_ said: I suspect given the cases are on the decline CG will wait for a month or so and just ride things out. cc DataGuy Redux on twitter. Deaths will lag cases by around 2 weeks. We are around 4000 deaths officially. Unofficially I think around 15 to 16k people are passing away as a direct or indirect result of this wave. Official deaths will rise to around 5000 before dipping drastically. So it does meet my end of June timeline that India will be out of the woods for the second wave. The aim should be to fully vaccinate those above 45 by the end of August before a third wave hits. We have to include unaccounted deaths too. People with no oxygen and not getting admission Until that trend goes away there is nothing like getting out of the woods.
kepler37b Posted May 12, 2021 Author Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) Good video by this doctor As per him, the covid deaths in India are 2.96 times higher. Edited May 12, 2021 by kepler37b
G_B_ Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, vvvslaxman said: We have to include unaccounted deaths too. People with no oxygen and not getting admission Until that trend goes away there is nothing like getting out of the woods. what you have mentioned is excess deaths. There is another chart which accounts for positivity rate. That too is heavily declining My relative is head of Sion hospital in mumbai and last I spoke to him Mumbai region has around 5000-6000 free beds. I would say rest of India is around 1 month to 1.5 months behind Mumbai in terms of the second wave. Lord 1
vvvslaxman Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, G_B_ said: what you have mentioned is excess deaths. There is another chart which accounts for positivity rate. That too is heavily declining My relative is head of Sion hospital in mumbai and last I spoke to him Mumbai region has around 5000-6000 free beds. I would say rest of India is around 1 month to 1.5 months behind Mumbai in terms of the second wave. That is a good sign. But in some parts like Bangalore things are still grim. Mumbai is probably one of the few places which handled it better. Can't speak for the rest of the Maharashtra as pune looked worse. Hope they do some data analysis across India to come up with a plan to deal with subsequent waves.
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